To those women who are buying extra at Hobby Lobby

[rurallib]

to show their support for Hobby Lobby's victory:

China thanks you for your business.
They also want to let you know that some of the money going back to their shores will go toward forced abortions and contraception.

Just so you know what you are really supporting.

[Puzzledtraveller]

1. Because they read DU.

[IADEMO2004]

3. Because we read DU when we meet someone supporting Hob Lob we can share the information.

[LLD]

103. Believe it or not, they are on here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025204896

[theHandpuppet]

4. Honestly, what IS your problem

Why are you being so nasty on threads regarding the Hobby Lobby protests?

[JustAnotherGen]

9. I have a theory about that

And it's not a pleasant one to explore.

[Puzzledtraveller]

35. explore away

There is a lot wrong with the ruling and a lot wrong with peoples understanding of it. I know a little about it. I know a lot about the Affordable Care Act. Prior to the ACA companies could almost pick whatever they wanted to be included in the health plans they offered their employees. The SCOTUS ruling really didn't change anything, if there was no ACA there wouldn't have even been a case. It also further illustrates what a POS the ACA truly is. Again, I know a lot about this, I help people get real healthcare everyday.

[Justice]

44. Before the ACA HL provided coverages they objected to under the ACA

[Caretha]

74. I call BS

My daughter who has a re-existing condition was unable to get healthcare for 7 years..

Where were you then you hero you?

[nomorenomore08]

79. The ACA helped my family and I get an affordable individual health plan for me.

There are huge flaws in it, of course - and I wholeheartedly agree with the demand for single payer - but it's not all bad.

[Gatorgirl76]

94. Maybe you should know more than you think you know

So why do you think it is okay for an employer to "choose what kind of healthcare you receive" rather than setting minimum standards for what all people who are insured should receive? I ask this because you call the ACA a POS and state that prior to the ACA the Hobby Lobby case wouldn't have even been a consideration. (Which of course, it wouldn't have been because their insurance provided exactly what they objected to in the SCOTUS case.)

[Enthusiast]

27. They're puzzled?

Maybe.

[Puzzledtraveller]

33. Because the odd silence on a much more destructive ruling that came out befuddles me.

[rurallib]

38. which one in particular?

The Robert's Court has many bad decisions.

[redruddyred]

63. are we discussing harris v quinn?

that one bothers me quite a bit.

[Lars39]

5. Maybe not, but it is a reminder that this information needs to be spread well beyond DU.

[get the red out]

6. Who cares if they don't read it; we need it!

I didn't know the Christo-Fascists were "buying more" at Holy Lobby to show support for their misogyny. This gives those of us who encounter them some useful talking points concerning what they are really supporting. It is useful information for Liberals at the very least.

[AlbertCat]

11. "buying more" at Holy Lobby to show support

They coulda supported a charity instead of buying stickers and decoupage supplies. But, y'know....Christians in America. Always knee jerk reactions. Never really helpful.

[JDPriestly]

34. Their support won't last. You can only buy so much of what Hobby Lobby has to sell.

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Hobby Lobby will feel it when all the women who knit and sew, etc. and use birth control have stopped buying for a long, long time.

I still make sure I buy a non-Koch brand of paper towels, etc.

[Raine]

31. Actually some of them do, they like to spy on us. I thought everyone knew that. nt

[randys1]

2. Those Women and the men too, are full of HATE for ANYONE slightly different from them

They are CHRISTIANS, and american style christians (many, not all) are the worst, hypocritical people on the planet.

The most rabid person of any religion is dangerous, but these people are such hypocrites and liars and thieves there is no telling what they will do.


so god damn sick of religion and alleged christians, what angers me so much is that with 2000 hours of bible study and classes on religion after 12 yrs of catholic school, I know a little about how a real christian would act, and there are so few real Christians in this country

[JustAnotherGen]

8. + 1000

[littlemissmartypants]

22. Not to mention the fact that it has had a major role in

The Propagation of Misogyny and the subjugation of us. Poor Eve Needed Gawd to slut shame her....

[ZombieHorde]

52. They think the same about us.

You're opinion on how a Christian should act is just as valid as their opinion as how a Christian should act.

They hate women, we hate babies, blah, blah, blah. Heaven forbid we actually try to understand each other.

[cui bono]

65. Wow. That is so wrong.

Who hates babies???

By your reasoning we should hear two sides of every argument and just ignore that one of them is true and the other is false.

Climate deniers, hey, they have a point, we just need to understand them.

No. Some people are just wrong. And the evangelicals in this country who are the loudest are just wrong. They are not practicing what Jesus preached at all. And if you're just trying to push an anti-abortion agenda, well that's wrong too.

[ZombieHorde]

66. Climate change is based off science,

interpreting the word of God is based off personal feelings. Neither the left nor the right practice what Jesus taught, in my opinion, but I'm just as right/wrong as you and evangelical right.

Their argument against abortion is not based on hating women, just as our argument for abortion is not based on hating babies.

By your reasoning we should hear two sides of every argument and just ignore that one of them is true and the other is false.

We cannot know if the other side is false if we don't know what they are saying. In my opinion, we should know what we are rejecting. I believe making a decision after hearing various arguments, and seeing if any side has any evidence, is beneficial.

[JustAnotherGen]

67. My evidence

Is back alley abortions. That is all I need. My reasons have nothing to do with God or religion. They have to do with freedom to manage/control my fertility. It is selfish, self absorbed and self centered. If I'm not for me - then who will be?

Their God? According to them - no he is not. Yet I see nothing in the King James Bible, RC Bible, or "The Book" where JC spoke to abortion.

So I reject that as a reference.

[cui bono]

70. You say "their argument" as if what they say is factual.

But it isn't.

Also, they can be proven wrong by their very own bible. Just read the teachings of Jesus and see how they live. They aren't living as Jesus would have wanted them too and it can be proven.

[ZombieHorde]

86. You have to understand what they are saying

before you can determine if they're correct or not. Right? If we understand their position, then we can argue against the position. If their position is wrong, then what need do we have to misrepresent it, other than propaganda, which does have its benefits, I guess.

Just read the teachings of Jesus and see how they live.

I have, and I haven't seen anyone on the left or the right following the teachings of Jesus, or even advocate for anyone to do those things.

and it can be proven

The teachings of Jesus cannot even be agreed upon. What does love your enemy mean? What does sell everything you own and give the money to the poor mean? What does "do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two…" mean? Etc., etc. These things are up to interpretation.

[doxydad]

90. NOPE.

These things are up to interpretation.

These things are NOT up for interpretation. I dunno what religiousity that you are grabbing that from, but it's CLEAR, not interpretation.

[ZombieHorde]

101. I've been reading the Religion group for a long time,

and people don't seem to agree with each other when it comes to Biblical Interpretation. Science doesn't help us interpret the word of God. The authors are dead. What objective standard do we use? How do we test our interpretation?

[Caretha]

75. Whose opinion?

Whose fuckin' opinion? Answer me that! You seem to know them so well. Expose them to me! Answer! You are speaking for "them". Tell me WHO! Whose opinion you are espouting that I'm to respect!


I dare you!

I double dare you!

You who knows everyone's opinion so well will not answer.

Go tromp you zombie persona elsewhere. We have been on to you forever.

[ZombieHorde]

100. I'm not telling you to respect anything other than your own mind.

I'm not saying you should respect RW arguments, I am saying you should know what you are rejecting. Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed that is this a controversial thing to say on DU.

Go tromp you zombie persona elsewhere. We have been on to you forever.

Please go on. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

[redruddyred]

64. agreed.

I grew up christian too, and it gave me nothing but a strong distaste, and even hatred, for the fundies.

that really tells you something.

[Rebl]

71. Got

that right!

[doxydad]

89. ATTA BOY, Randys!

You NAILED it: applause: Most, and YES, most of these so called Christians would walk by Jesus in disguise everyday instead of doing what the ACTUAL words of CHRIST says! KUDOS!

[heaven05]

7. same difference

as voting for repubs/against ones own best interest. No difference. People like the hobby lobby buyers AFTER SCOTUS decision is why this country will ALWAYS be at war with itself.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. Agreed

And I like the OP's statement.

[NorthCarolina]

96. "same difference as voting for repubs/against ones own best interest"

The same would hold true for Democrats who vote for conservative DLC third-way Democratic candidates. They are also voting against their own best interests.

[Mass]

12. And I hope you extend your criticism to all those liberals buying Eden Food.

http://grist.org/politics/this-organic-food-company-is-refusing-to-pay-for-employees-birth-control/

Frankly, I am not sure why anybody progressive would have shopped at Hobby Lobby to start with. Way before the lawsuit, they had been denounced for their bigotry and the proselytism in their stores is had to accept.

I suspect a lot of us, however, bought into Eden food. Time to direct our boycott to them.

[theHandpuppet]

13. That's fine

Some of us really can walk and chew gum at the same time and I welcome any boycott of Eden foods. No need to take a swipe at the HL protests to make your point.

[Mass]

14. So, where is the thread concerning Eden Food ?

There are 20 threads attacking people shopping at HL, but none attacking people who buy Eden Foods.

(anyway, people shopping at HL were wrong way before the lawsuit to start with).

[cyberswede]

15. You could start one.

[theHandpuppet]

16. You mean like these?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025180177
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025200556
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11312828
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025173714
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025184475
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4108010http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022653070

If you want another thread on Eden foods nothing is stopping you from posting one and your resentment against the HL threads is illogical.

[Mass]

18. My error.

[Caretha]

77. you mea culpa

way too much. Be your own solution or STFU.

[joeglow3]

84. Wow. Your response says much more about you

The individual admitted they were wrong (something I could probably count on one hand the numbers of times I have seen it in years on DU) and THAT is your response?

[Ptah]

28. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025200556

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/11312828

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025173714

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025180177

[rurallib]

40. as for me the nearest Eden Food is a long ways away

in fact I had never heard of them until this.

[MadrasT]

46. Eden is a brand, not a store.

I have seen their soy milk all over the place.

[Caretha]

76. So, where is the thread concerning Eden Food ?

You care so friggin much................start one yourself.

Be part of the solution instead of the problem.

[avebury]

17. They won't care.

China is not considered a Christian nation and the one child policy just means fewer of "those kind of people."

[hueymahl]

45. This ^^^

[Keefer]

57. Actually,

China has "eased" the one child policy:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-25533339

The Standing Committee of the National People's Congress passed a resolution allowing couples to have two children if either parent is an only child.

A proposal to abolish re-education through labour camps was also approved.

The changes in policy were announced following a meeting of top Communist Party officials in November.

The reforms, which came at the end of a six-day meeting of the congress, have already been tested in parts of the country.

[Caretha]

78. Wasn't that

Fuckin' big of them?

Lets give them a star....

[zeemike]

19. Everything has become politicized including what we spend our money on.

The right will now shop at HL, eat chicken sandwiches, buy Ford instead of GM, go to Redskins games, support Koch industries and buy Ann Colter books and on and on.

It shows us just how insane we have become...wasteing our time trying to protest against a business while ignoring the real problems of big money in politics which is the genesis of it all.

And so we will continue to lose...just as they planed.

[customerserviceguy]

24. You can only get to the ballot box once or twice a year

you can affect what 'votes' go into cash registers way more often than that.

Frankly, I don't see more than a tiny minority of shoppers either boycotting or shopping extra to make up for the boycotters, most businesses simply deal with people who want their goods at the prices offered, and don't think about the politics of it one way or the other.

[hamsterjill]

25. I think you are mostly right.

But I think the commitment to boycott is stronger than any commitment to shop there more.

[stillwaiting]

93. And the "buy more" movement won't last very long.

These people are not going to CONSISTENTLY, month after month, continue to "buy more".

There is no way that is going to happen.

[phylny]

26. There's a local carwash that always has Republican signs on its property during election season,

and has a Teabagger bus that's often parked in its lot. It's the closest carwash to me, and the most convenient, but I refuse to use it. I'm sure my $10/month isn't missed by the business but it gives me a sense of satisfaction that I refuse to spend my money there.

[zeemike]

60. Well I do that too.

But I know if I publicly announce it or stand out there with a sign those people who hate liberals will then shop there to spite the "liberals"...and my denying them my business will be for naught.
Even bad publicity is publicity...like that old saying I don't care what you say about me in the papers as long as you get my name right.

[zeemike]

37. Perhaps not, but it makes a great distraction.

And keeps us focused on things that don't really do anything to change the system...which I suspect is the goal.

Just look what this is about...what an insurance company can pay for or not...not like the right defines it, as making religion pay for abortions...or as the left defines it as and attack on women...but about insurance coverage.
But they have parlayed it into an outrage for both sides, that will occupy both sides for months...and widen the gap between us, making us hate them more and them hate us more.
Classic divide and conquer.

[theHandpuppet]

53. You see it as distraction, I see it as motivation

The only "dividing and conquering" I see being done around here are by those who just dropped by to say that the efforts of those who are protesting don't mean crap, that what and why they're protesting doesn't mean crap, that those protesting are politically naïve and aren't working for political change on many fronts, et al. Have I missed anything?

I'll tell you what I saw at a local protest. I saw passersby energized enough to park their cars and join in the protest. I saw people signing up with WORD (Women Organized to Resist and Defend) to stay informed on political action. I saw women and men making contacts and sharing their ideas and goals. I witnessed people who stopped solely to ask questions about the SC decision and what it means.

Motivation? Ask DUer Davsand, his 17 year old daughter and five of her young friends who took to the streets on July 4th to show people what freedom of speech and standing up for your rights is all about.

I think it's a sad day for DU when people here took to the streets and took a stand for their rights only to be trashed by others on a supposedly "progressive forum".

[zeemike]

58. No I think protests are fine and dandy.

But will not stop a damn thing...we had massive protest against the war in Iraq and what came of that?
Did you ever ask why?
Well the answer is because they can and do ignore it, and in fact use it to fire up the conservatives to be for what we are against, and against what we are for...and we wind up with division not consensus.

But don't let me bring you down...keep doing what you do but don't expect different results because the days when protests made a difference are over...in those days the media was your friend, and that is not the case now.

IMO the only way forward is to change the system, and protests have not nor will they do it.

[theHandpuppet]

59. Thanks for your permission to waste our time in protest

That is, when myself and others aren't working in an hundred different ways to change the system. I haven't the time nor inclination to criticize anyone else's methods for how they choose to make their mark.

[zeemike]

61. I don't have the authority to give anyone permission to do anything.

But I can see the signs of conflict starting when things like that are said, and so I am our of here.

[Eleanors38]

82. "change the system." How? Thanks in advance.

[Tommymac]

85. "the days when protests made a difference are over" - You forget the Egyptian Spring...

Or the Occupy movement that made the 99% a household concept.

Or the recent protests in Brazil...

Or the current protests in Singapore...

Or the fear European politicians have of their citizens taking to the streets....

Or understand why the media tried to belittle the antiwar marches in the Bush era...

Or why the police are being turned into a paramilitary force in the US...

Or why 1% is still afraid of the 99% and their potential pitchforks...

because the masses taking to the streets to hold those in power's feet to the fire does still work.

Your statement is defeatist bullcrap IMHO. Not all of us aspire to be sheeple.

[Bandit]

98. Why would you assume Liberal Protests only fire up conservatives?

Why would you also assume that Liberal Protests are never talked about among Liberals or even making some news, either print or radio/tv. Do you presume that Liberals ONLY protest to make themselves feel better? That is my take on your posts. You belittle Liberals about making their feelings known to the general public and trying to gain wider exposure to their concerns.. I don't understand your motivation

[Jack Rabbit]

36. Expect more of that

The biggest and baddest corporations are on a mission to destroy both democracy and the middle class. They must be stopped and the only thing they understand is money.

[zeemike]

41. Oh I do expect more of it.

It seems like it comes every week now as we get closer to November.

[Populist_Prole]

49. That behavior you mention in your post sounds SO much like some RW-ers I know

I had to chuckle in agreement about how they shill for RW companies. They did pretty much as you listed. One even started patronizing Darden Group restaurants ( Olive Garden, Red Lobster ) due to the ACA hoo-hah surrounding it. A complete 180 since they heretofore were very discriminating in their food tastes and their are lots of options for "real" food in their area. No, they switched to shitty food as a show of solidarity to conservative causes.

Bunch of freaks they are.

[americannightmare]

54. The only power we have left...

is how we vote with our dollars. 45 cents out of every dollar spent locally stays in the community, while only 15 cents out of each dollar spent with a national chain/product stays home. But the only effective way to really stop all this nonsense is to pull the plug on your cable TV and spend those dollars locally. That's a double whammy of not giving your lives and government over to a handful of extremely wealthy cocksuckers, and creating more jobs locally with companies who haven't been given huge tax breaks by municipalities trying to attract large corporations who externalize their negative impact, thus increasing the tax base exponentially. So instead of boycotting, we need to "buycott."

[Fawke Em]

99. There's an app for that!

Seriously, I have a "buycott" app on my phone that helps me not choose Koch products or choose products without GMO, etc.

It's simply called "Buycott."

...and they have a campaign to boycott all products and services from corporations who refuse to cover contraception. Just joined that campaign.

[americannightmare]

102. Thank you, Fawke Em! I am indeed grateful...

to those folks who go to the trouble of putting these types of campaigns together (though I don't own a Smartphone or anything that would involve apps, a bit of a luddite here), it's about more than "buycotting" the Kochs. It's about taking down the people who control the media, and thereby our government. Not to mention other corporations who are off-shoring for both tax avoidance and human and natural resource exploitation. Our tax dollars not only paid for the incubation of what became the internet and personal computers as we know them (http://www.internetsociety.org/internet/what-internet/history-internet/brief-history-internet-related-networks); but now our tax dollars pay for a hopelessly bloated defense budget which is utilized primarily as a resource defense apparatus, defending resources that at the least should be shared by all mankind as opposed to controlled by one or two countries, the best example being rare earth minerals contained mostly in China but controlled as much by the U.S.'s ability to project military power over China (at least for now) than by China. Apple demands that the U.S. use its military power if necessary to keep the rare earth mineral supply chain open. That's the long way around to saying that as long as Apple insists on off-shoring jobs to China to manufacture their products, and my tax dollars are paying for them to continue to do that, I will boycott them and never buy another "new" computer or phone. If that means that eventually I won't be able to use the internet at home, so be it. We all have to take a stand against corporations or continue to be dominated by them and their unsustainable and pernicious practices. My apologies for the lengthy rant.

[theHandpuppet]

55. If you can't see the protest against HL as so much more than protesting a business...

... more's the pity. It appears that the very thought of women organizing and fighting back on a nationwide scale does rub some the wrong way.

[Fawke Em]

97. They won't buy Fords.

Ford long ago had commercials appealing to LGBT.

Soon, I hope they won't have anything they can buy outside of some crafts and artery-hardening chicken biscuits.

[freshwest]

20. By the math in a post here, HL supports a nation that has aborted more 'people' than live in the USA

now over the course of a generation. Something like 386 million in 30 years.

Nice company for the Pro-Life movement, where it's really about profits from cheap labor and not about God, period.

[conservaphobe]

21. Seconded.

This should have been a thread without controversy.

Keep speaking truth to power.

[KentuckyWoman]

23. Stupid is as stupid does.

You and I can throw 100 factoids at them about why their viewpoint is ass backward and it won't make any difference.

It does no good to tell these twits David Green didn't have any religious objections over the last 20 years to buying his full time employees health insurance that covered birth control. Or that he doesn't have any religious objections to supporting forced abortions for the workers in China who actually make 90% of the crap they sell.

David Green doesn't give the tiniest shit if his workers have abortions. David Green is grabbing this opportunity to shift more of the medical care costs to his workers and more of the wealth to himself.

But telling that to Suzy Q Jesus Lover is a complete waste of time. I've tried.

[Sissyk]

32. Suzy Q Jesus Lover

LMAO!! I love that.

And, I agree with you. I can't stand Hobby Lobby; but I couldn't stand them before this decision. The people (mostly women) that shop there will continue to shop there because they don't give a shit about anything except that HL is a religious corporation.

Joining the boycott is very easy for us here at DU. But, again. The people that shop there do not care and will continue to shop there.

Here's a question I have, and granted; I haven't dug into it since the decision. What are the employees of HL doing? Are they protesting? Are they writing letters and petitions to HL? They damn sure need to be.

What I will do, that I can control, is be sure I know where every single candidate stands come November on this decision. I will vote accordingly. Unfortunately, that doesn't even matter in my red state but I'll do what I can.

[n2doc]

29. toon

[Louisiana1976]

56. Good cartoon and so true.

[awoke_in_2003]

30. Yep, supporting China...

who forces abortions after people have one child.

[Helen Borg]

39. What? Some women support this?

Hard to believe.

[rurallib]

42. hard to believe any woman would ever vote for a Republican

for numerous reasons, but nearly half do.

[Roselma]

43. I've got an electronic shopping cart at Hobby

Lobby's website that currently is holding items out of their sell-able inventory. This is my protest. It is quiet, but it is disruptive. Hobby Lobby's website lets you select items to put in an electronic shopping cart to later be checked out. They do not ask for any personally-identifying information like name, address, phone, email, or credit card information before you "check out". They place a cookie on your computer, nothing more. When you load the shopping cart, it stays loaded for some time, and the items you select are removed from their electronic inventory to not be sold to other shoppers. To keep that shopping cart tied up, I will stop by daily and toss a new item in or remove an item. Also, I have loaded different promo codes. These actions show recent activity to the electronic sales and inventory systems. Maybe they'll catch on over a time when their buyers have to order new materials to replenish inventory to cover the items in my cart. Several of my friends are doing the same thing. Not major purchases, mind you, just a few hundred dollars worth of merchandise on electronic hold. Maybe you can join me. I recommend going out to get a promo code from a promo code website or going to their mainpage to snip up their limited time promo codes. This makes your entire shopping cart look legit.

[MadrasT]

47. That may not be the case.

I am familiar with the behind-the-scenes of several online stores, and inventory remains available until someone actually purchases it. The shopping cart inventory is still sellable to other people. Maybe HLs site is different.

[Roselma]

48. Oh...I hope you're wrong. I have friends doing the same thing.

[MADem]

88. If you stick something in your cart at Amazon and leave it there, and someone else wants it, it

might be gone when you come back for it--this has happened to me at least once. When I clicked on the check out button, I was told "Ya snooze - ya lose."

[perdita9]

50. Velcro between your knees won't prevent pregnancy...

...no matter what your abstinence teacher tells you.

[blkmusclmachine]

51. The holy rollers will have no company with logic or facts or consistency or science or any of that

other "evilness" that comes with being sentient human beings. They want to be led, like a flock, to their slaughter.

All my opinion only, of course!

[AngryDem001]

68. I must have missed something.

There are women who are buying EXTRA at Hobby Lobby?

Can someone please provide links?

[Lars39]

69. From the Southern Baptist article:

http://m.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=42886

"Eric Metaxas, co-host of BreakPoint Radio, tweeted, "To thank the Green Family -- who are true American heroes -- everyone should visit Hobby Lobby today and buy as much as they can afford." He also tweeted, "The only big downer in today's SCOTUS decision is that 4 of the 9 justices voted for King George III instead of the Founding Fathers.""

[cui bono]

72. omg... "buy as much as they can afford" at Hobby Lobby?!?!?!

Because there's no better charity to give your money to.

[nomorenomore08]

80. "I just *love* being a baby-making machine!"

The Stockholm Syndrome is strong in these unfortunate souls...

[rurallib]

73. Bristol Palin (epitome of RW virtue) tweeted for women

to show HL some love.
Turned into a great fun twitter site

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23HobbyLobbyLove&src=typd

[svpadgham]

81. Funny thing about all that overpriced stuff they buy at HobLob...

Most of it doesn't get used and I buy it at yard sales unopened at below wholesale price.

[DFW]

83. I didn't even know who or what HL was before all this got so famous

They have no stores anywhere near where I live, and even if they did, after this, they would have been boycotted out of business in no time flat.

[Uncle Joe]

87. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, rurallib.

[rurallib]

92. you are welcome

most of my threads die quickly.
Just a rant I had to get out.
So much of the right wing agenda has the opposite effect of what they claim it does or will have.

[Uncle Joe]

95. It was a righteous rant.

Peace to you, rurallib.

[Epiphany4z]

91. they can only buy extra for so long

but I can shop at other craft stores that honor hobby lobby coupons forever.