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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:53 PM Jul 2014

Here's a Worry for American Democracy...Bill Clinton running for President undr Guise of Hillary....

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Both are "QUALIFIED" .......but, Bill's Policies under the DLC send Jobs Offshore...Nafta/GATT and setting up what our Dem Party would further with the "T's" Going forward all over the Globe.

His Presidency like Obama's ..was Fought from the Beginning by the RW....and yet we LIVE UNDER RW POLICIES to this day because of what Clinton and his DLC Promoted. From Biden promoting and installing Clarence Thomas on Supreme Court (not allowing Anita Hill's verified witnesses to appear at the last minute) and Clinton's "Welfare Reform" and his affair with Monica (which always seemed "set up"...because of "Mellon-Scaife" and "Starr Commission&quot and in the background Democrats ALWAYS HAVING TO DEFEND THEIR PRESIDENT FROM THE RIGHT WING CRAZIES..(yet, our Dems did some Bad Stuff that WASN'T Democratic and why we elected them).

So we move on and the furor is RW against OBAMA using every tactic they can (like they used against Clinton) BUT......the BIG BUT.....Is WHY does our PARTY have to deal with this Crap...given that it's the same playbook over and over again?

Does anyone here believe that "The Clintons" running for President as a TWO FER....is the Best that We Democrats can do?

After all these years of scandals I wonder if Dems and Republicans aren't working TOGETHER for the SAME CAUSES...but the SCANDALS HIDE...what is REALLY GOING ON?

So: Bill Clinton II under the GUISE of the "TwoFer" Presidency is what we Democrats are supposed to Get on Board for?

Both are Seasoned Corporate Insider Candidates. They know Trade Deals, Arms Deals and how "The WORLD TODAY WORKS".......Yet......there's just too much RW Views with BOTH OF THEM.

SO....WHY should this CONTINUE?

Any Thoughts or Ideas about WHY DEMOCRATS cannot have a Primary because "Hillary and Bill" or "Bill & Hillary" are ALREADY THE UNCONTESTED CANDIDATES?" The "ANNOINTED?"

Should this "BE" in our American Democracy? How did we get here? What are we in for if Hillary/Bill are Elected, or in one case, "Re-Elected?" Will the Republicans be less ornery.....just because the "Powerhouse Duo" are Elected? What would we expect from the "Powerhouse Duo" as reforms?

Impeach the Renegade Supremes? Roll Back the "T's" Trade Agreements that send more of our jobs abroad (which Obama Favors along with former "DLC&quot ? Privatize all our Public Resources to allow Wall Street to Pillage more cities like Detroit? Stock Market through the Roof for the 1/2% so that EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT? More Interventions in the ME and All Over the World because of "American Exceptionalism" and the influence of Israel as a Peace Keeper in ME driving US Foreign Policy? More Arne Duncan "Public School Reform" where he's in league with the Bush Family?

Where does this kind of stuff stop? Or, do folks just agree with these policies while Bill and Hillary talk the good talk for the 99%....what did they do to help the 99%?

I'm just wondering.....because if Hillary/Bill or Bill/Hillary are Inevitable for Democratic Nominees in 2016....it would seem some questions need to be asked. Yet no one seems to ask any questions except the RABID RW...that most of us Dems think are so Crazy that they are some Alien Group out of touch with the Average American ....yet...they are there and the drive the Dem Party further to the Right...which Dem Politico's don't seem to have a problem with because they have just about killed off Progressive Thinking with their Actions and Obama's War Against Whistle Blowers (which we could expect to see more of with Bill & Hillary/Hillary Bill because neither has spoken out against DEFENDING the WHISTLE BLOWERS or EDWARD SNOWDEN/JULIAN ASSANGE or BINNEY AND THE OTHERS.

So? Where are we as a DEMOCRATIC PARTY these days?






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Here's a Worry for American Democracy...Bill Clinton running for President undr Guise of Hillary.... (Original Post) KoKo Jul 2014 OP
You and the wing nuts are the only source of this "twofer"... DonViejo Jul 2014 #1
Has Ted Rall been thrown under the bus already? nationalize the fed Jul 2014 #21
Did you read my comment?... DonViejo Jul 2014 #23
My opinion is at odds with your OP, but I think you make some interesting arguments, and I can quinnox Jul 2014 #2
Please... Gman Jul 2014 #3
'Cause the woman is just a front for the man?... SidDithers Jul 2014 #4
Hey Sid! sheshe2 Jul 2014 #12
Love it!!... SidDithers Jul 2014 #15
#5 here~ sheshe2 Jul 2014 #17
Awesome... SidDithers Jul 2014 #18
I think it's insulting that anyone would suggest that Hillary is not doing this on her own merits. moriah Jul 2014 #5
You forgot to credit World Nut Daily for this article. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #6
What an incredibly sexist post Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #7
Well you know, sheshe2 Jul 2014 #14
I'm more interested in your promiscuous use of bold and all cap lettering. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #8
I'm re-reading "The Shock Doctrine" and your post reminds me of this, from chapter 12: arcane1 Jul 2014 #9
We love dynasties? Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #10
It's an American Idol show only ...it's for the POTUS. L0oniX Jul 2014 #13
Hillary would have his nuts mounted on a display if he tried being in charge DJ13 Jul 2014 #11
The only thing that would make this post better, is if it were written in Comic Sans...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #16
Sure been hearing a lot of news about Hillary of late.......... wandy Jul 2014 #19
I'm kind of sad. xfundy Jul 2014 #20
Maybe Hillary was pulling the strings in the 90s and Bill was her puppet? Drunken Irishman Jul 2014 #22

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
1. You and the wing nuts are the only source of this "twofer"...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jul 2014

horse manure I've seen. Sad, real sad.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
21. Has Ted Rall been thrown under the bus already?
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jul 2014

At Some Point, Progressives Need to Break Up With the Democratic Party
It's time to get out of this abusive relationship
Ted Rall 7/4/14 alternet.org

At a certain point, if you have any relationship with dignity, you're supposed to get sick of being used and abused. Speaking of which: liberal Democrats.

Democratic politicians act like right-wingers. Liberals vote for them anyway. The Democratic Party espouses right-wing policies. Self-described progressives give them cash...

...Hillary Clinton, a conservative warmonger ideologically indistinguishable from Dwight Eisenhower, will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee. But she isn't really a Democrat. Traditionally, Democrats were pro-worker; she and her husband pushed through NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and a slew of free-trade scams that have destroyed American jobs and depressed salaries. Democrats cared about the poor; Hillary has never so much as suggested a substantial anti-poverty initiative. Democrats aren't supposed to invade sovereign countries for the hell of it; Clinton repeatedly pushed WMD lies, voted to invade Iraq and still hasn't apologized for the two million Iraqis whose deaths she shares responsibility for. Democrats want single-payer healthcare; instead, she created the template for Obamacare, which keeps rates high to protect insurance company profits.

Yet in today's "Democratic" Party, Hillary is "inevitable."
Full article: http://www.alternet.org/some-point-progressives-need-break-democratic-party

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
23. Did you read my comment?...
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jul 2014
You and the wing nuts are the only source of this "twofer"...
horse manure I've seen

emphasis added.


I didn't throw anyone under the bus.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. My opinion is at odds with your OP, but I think you make some interesting arguments, and I can
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jul 2014

respect that.

sheshe2

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12. Hey Sid!
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jul 2014
Oh my~

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moriah

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5. I think it's insulting that anyone would suggest that Hillary is not doing this on her own merits.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jul 2014

The only people I know who seem to suggest that seem to lean a little to the right.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
7. What an incredibly sexist post
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:02 PM
Jul 2014

So the man (Bill Clinton) is the one pulling the strings?



Why is it that so many folks who post this kind of crap on DU are running around with Elizabeth Warren signature pics?

She would be disgusted by a post like this.

sheshe2

(83,708 posts)
14. Well you know,
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jul 2014

women are totally unable to stand on their own two feet, their most pressing concern in life is if it's time for a manicure. Nothing but fluff, we need the menz to tell us how what to do.

Oh my goodness, bring me the fainting couch, I'm going to have the vapors~

Thanks C_D! It's as sexist as hell!

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
8. I'm more interested in your promiscuous use of bold and all cap lettering.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jul 2014

Tell me how you decided to bold some and all cap others?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
9. I'm re-reading "The Shock Doctrine" and your post reminds me of this, from chapter 12:
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jul 2014

"Are center-left parties more effective than right-wing ones because the attack is unexpected? Is it better to warn the public or take people by surprise with 'voodoo politics?'"

This was in regards to the "Political Economy of Policy Reform" conference in January 1993, when free-market fundamentalists were trying to come up with ways of getting their ideas accepted in democracies.

On eidt: I'm commenting on the "inevitable" meme regarding Clinton's possible nomination, not about the twofer or whatever you want to call it.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
13. It's an American Idol show only ...it's for the POTUS.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:21 PM
Jul 2014

Republicans are not the only ones with the stupid.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
19. Sure been hearing a lot of news about Hillary of late..........
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jul 2014

Is it Hillary live or is it Memorex errr, I mean Bill? Is Hillary distancing herself from Obama. Has Obama come out in support of Warren?

Not being a Hillary cheerleader but by no means a Hillary hater I can only think of the words of George W Bush.

Our enemy's are ever thinking of ways to harm us. And so are we.

It's not as if the GOP would be above stirring up some descention/confusion in the ranks.
Concentrate on November. We have plenty of good choices for when the time comes.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
20. I'm kind of sad.
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jul 2014

Usually I click eagerly on your posts, expecting something enlightening and educational. Now, I'm not here all day long, so I may have been lucky, but this post really disappoints me.

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