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hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:41 AM Jul 2014

Middle school hormones, myth or reality?

For years, I have heard abut how difficult it is to maintain order in middle school/junior high because the kids are engulfed in a rush of hormones (and we aren't talking about thyroid hormones here, but full on massive doses of estrogen and testosterone). I don' know how this threat is handled elsewhere, but the local junior high responded by instituting a series of draconian rules and regulations. My personal favorite? Students were allowed access to the rest rooms in the hall only at class breaks - when tardiness to the next class was punished and each classroom had its own, un-synchronized clock. So, if teacher A held her class 2 minutes over and teacher B started class 2 minutes early, it was up to the student to get from point A to point B in a minute or less. Of course - every student had full access to the single toilet off the cafeteria during their 20 minute lunch break. (BTW - if the lunch line was 15 minutes long, too bad for the kids at the end of the line!)

The alternate excuse for making Junior High a hell was "to prepare the kids for high school". In reality, the high school was laid back relative to junior high.

I liked a lot of their teachers, but I hated the junior high when my kids were that age.

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Sancho

(9,067 posts)
1. Haha...from my years as a middle school teacher...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jul 2014

When I went to the bathroom one day the kids got my car keys and were driving around in the parking lot! Middle schoolers can be fun, but the only have two thoughts: cars and the opposite sex.

Honestly, the best classroom management sets clear boundaries and expectations for the impulsive adolescents. They will find ways to explore and skirt the rules no matter what; it is an age of rebellion.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
2. I'd posit that the adults have a hard time letting or supporting the children's transition
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jul 2014

never mind providing the assistance in that transition.

One doesn't magically become adult. It's a learning process, one that the schools do not encourage. Their job is to turn out little robots for corporate drone programs. Somehow, the kids aren't agreeing to this truncation of their lives.

Turbineguy

(37,285 posts)
4. I went to a school where they had
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:05 AM
Jul 2014

lights. Red orange and green to signal when classes ended and started. It was beautifully synchronized. The Latin Instructor looked like a Roman Senator, the French Guy wore an alpino and the English Instructor was very much an Anglophile. If you weren't paying attention in biology, you got to come up and shake hands with Pete, the skeleton.

And as for hormonal sensitivity, in Latin class, the Roman soldiers always seemed to be sticking their swords into their sheaths. "Let us proceed to the Forum, Quintus!" Because as everyone knows, Romans never just walked anywhere, they proceeded. We learned about the Laws of Hammurabi and Mechanics. We took field trips to unusual places. The school had parties that lasted the whole weekend.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
6. I had physical problems at that age
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:36 AM
Jul 2014

I menstruated very young (10) and had very heavy, prolonged periods. That meant that I had to go to the bathroom a LOT certain times of the month. It was a Catholic, Coed Elementary (up to 8th grade). Mom wrote a note to the Nuns explaining it all. I think I would have just DIED having to explain all this to a male teacher. It was embarrassing enough that all boys kinda figured it out.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
7. We had no junior high, but rather a 6 year high school, 7th through 12th. I think we were
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:29 AM
Jul 2014

fortunate. All clocks were precisely synchronized and a speaker/intercom system in each classroom sounded when the class was to end and then when the new class was to start, it sounded throughout the entire school, a soft tone.

We had no bathroom rules. If you had to go, you went, no questions asked. We had a tough principal, no bullshit allowed. I will forever be grateful for the incredible school system we had, and then later at the university. I really never realized until years later how incredibly lucky we were!

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
8. Reality.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jul 2014

It "starts" in 4th or 5th grade, actually.

I taught middle school (5-8) for almost 20 years. I loved 5th, 6th, and 8th graders, but could not stand 7th graders. Seventh graders are very mouthy and whine and back-talk a lot more than the others, for some crazy reason. Maybe it's "middle child" syndrome!

Middle school is a blast though. The kids are so much fun, even if they do get rowdy at times. Those bathroom rules are ridiculous. I always let my students go as needed (they just had to sign out) and very few abused the privilege. They need to be treated with respect and not as little kids at that age.

A much bigger problem than "hormones" is bullying. It is so rampant at that age as they sort out their places in the middle school pecking order.

Igel

(35,270 posts)
9. Sure.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jul 2014

Yup, new found sexuality.

But also changes that make them stand out--at the same time as they're suddenly very self-conscious. And to start off with they're more self-conscious around members of the same sex.

The minor fact that those changes happen at different times in different ways. Now Johnny stands out because his voice broke. And a year late Sammy stands out because his voice hasn't yet. Let's not even mention that different parts of the body grow at different times and rates.

Class work gets harder as their more complex brains can handle harder work. They have to develop new, stronger academic skills.

Identity issues I. All kids suddenly turn, to some extent, on their parents. They need to start separating--even though, in this era of extended adolescence, it means that they'll be more dysfunctional for longer. And in this era of untrammelled kids rights "adult rights" are assumed to be the prerogative of kids who really aren't ready for them. If you expect a kid to go to college you're asking them to be immature; if you're saying that at 13 they have all the rights of an adult, you're asking them to accelerate maturation. And you get a train wreck.

Identity issues 2. As they separate from parents they miss the point and start showing independence from all adults. And a lot of adults, who think that the artificial, unnatural kind of pack- and herd-system that kids form naturally is how it's supposed to be (mostly because they don't like what the adults teach and want to make sure things change "as they should", as those adults want), encourage this.

Identity issues 3. Along with self-consciousness comes all kinds of "talks." "You're not like them." Kids, encouraged by older kids (and parents, relatives, social workers, teachers, politicians, advocates of various kinds) suddenly start setting up all kinds of artificial barriers. As kids become "independent" they are pushed to conform to all kinds of stereotypes and restrictions--some imposed from without but a heck of a whole lot imposed by the groups that they're told they have to belong to or be "traitors" to this or that.

Then here are family issues. Maybe the older siblings are leaving. Maybe the younger siblings need more attention. Perhaps the family, held together "for the kids", now breaks up because baby Smithy's now old enough to "understand." Or there's a mid-career job change.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
10. It is a difficult age group.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:34 AM
Jul 2014

I never saw anything like the outright barbarism that existed in our junior high school (7th-9th grade) in elementary or high school, or anywhere else. And this was a supposedly pretty solid school, tucked into a leafy middle-class suburb across from a Naval Training Center.

It was kind of like a prison for semi-violent offenders, but with homework and worse food.

A good bit of the crazy clearly stemmed from the fact that the "kids" were taking on some adult characteristics and interests, like sex drives, bigger, stronger bodies, and risk-taking behaviors, all while lacking the experience or self-control or social / ethical development to handle it all.

A few highlights.

Constant and bloody fights:
Boys. Girls. Boys vs. Girls. Heads smashed into lockers; earrings torn out, a kid with a face full of stitches from a jaw-splitting karate kick. Knives. Throwing stars. Brass knuckles. Man-sized football players vs. child-sized 7th graders. Random headlocks/wedgies/punching/ you-name-its. A girl mistaking the police liason officer for a student, tackling him from behind and attempting to commence a beat-down just for the hell of it.

Vandalism:
Locks glued shut. Various noxious substances squirted through locker vents. Every kind of carving / trashing / grafitti-ing imaginable, anywhere possible. Theft.

Random bullying / harrassment:
Girls sticking pins in random behinds in the main hall. Eggs thrown. Stink bombs. Firecrackers. Spitting. A rash of sneak-up-behind-people-and-smash-them-with-a-heavy-notebook-ings. Various schoolbus insanity, like threatening passing motorists and chucking various dangerous / disgusting missiles in and out of the vehicle.

Contraband
Smoking in the bathrooms (of course). Pot sales. Cocaine sales. Associated threats.

Those were the days.

I don't know that cruel bathroom limitations or any other specific "crackdown" treatment is warranted, but some basic safety measures are definitely in order. Those tween years are rough.

"Hormones" is a simplistic explanation, but I think they're part of a difficult developmental stage for most kids, and a lot of problems ensue.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
11. I taught Jr High for a couple of years - and would agree hormones are a major cause of behavioral
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:18 PM
Jul 2014

problems

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
12. Just part of the reality.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jul 2014

Brain development is a fascinating thing.

There are a couple of times when the brain goes through a pruning process, getting rid of some of the unused neural connections to allow development of others. The physiological changes in the brain are related to some familiar developmental behaviors. That first process? During toddlerhood, commonly referred to as "the terrible 2s," although that period is not specifically restricted to two-year-olds. It's a time of developing motor skills and language, and a transition to more independence because of those two things. There is also a developing self-awareness. At that age, it's all about "me." The child is the center of the universe, and determined to explore, conquer, and rule.

The second big transition? Adolescence. Beginning at about 11 years old. It's very similar to the "terrible twos:" becoming more independent, this time socially rather than physically. Separating further from their adults and bonding with their age peers. One of the big characteristics of the age is impulsivity. The speak and act before thinking that so many parents and adults working with adolescents struggle with. They are also again developing a different kind of self-awareness, and the "all about me" factor kicks in again strongly. Really, this stage is much like the terrible twos.

Except that they are bigger physically, and the hormone rush and confusion of puberty kicks in. So...puberty. The terrible twos on hormones. This is why teenagers, especially middle school age teens, scare so many adults. It's also why very, very few people ever remember their own experience with this age as positive, regardless of how positive their environment was. The terrible tweens, which are generally designated as 10-12, but actually start slow and extend a couple of years beyond.

As a matter of fact, this age scares enough adults that there is often a consensus that authoritarian over-restrictions are necessary for them to survive. The "lock-em up until they're 21" mentality. And, of course, there are some grounds for that consensus, as impulsive teenagers do stupid, reckless, dangerous things, and some of them DON'T survive.

So...maintaining order in a middle school? It can be done. It often isn't. The very first reason it often isn't is simply because of the way we've structured the system. We take all those big, strong, terrible twos on hormones and throw them into a large institutional setting, where the student-adult ratio is much too high and the kids are all crowded together with only age peers. That's a really unnatural environment that exacerbates the challenges of the age while minimizing the ability to nurture their strengths. In a departmentalized system, there IS no single adult responsible for each individual throughout the day, and it's easy for kids to fall through cracks, and for issues to go unnoticed.

How to resolve that? I'm sure there are lots of ways. I'll share the way I've worked with them for a couple of decades now; it's the only way I have personal evidence of success for.

First of all, schools need to be small and the student-adult ratio needs to be low. That in itself means that more of the adults are likely to know each student, and know them better, than in those larger institutional settings.

Secondly, schools need to be K-8. It's a better, and more realistic, environment than isolating them away from everyone else like they've got the plague is. In a K-8 setting, they are surrounded by all of their former teachers who see them passing each day. There are fewer of them, as they are only a small segment of the school population, which, as already indicated, should be small anyway.

In that setting, they have their teachers longer and develop stronger relationships with them. That's key. They also spend a lot of time being taught how to be positive leaders in their school. They work with younger grades and their teachers on a regular basis. They are empowered and feel ownership of their school.

Also, it being smaller, with more adults around, and having those adults know them, not just by name but by who they are, means that all kinds of little things that go unnoticed in larger environments don't. Like social dramas, social cliques, bullying in the hall, field, bathroom, etc.. It gets noticed quickly, addressed more quickly, and the students themselves often are the first addressing those kinds of things. Because they have stronger relationships with adults, they are more likely to go to an adult when problems crop up, and to speak more openly to adults about those problems.

That's how it's worked for me, anyway.

Here is how we handle passing periods and lunch breaks at my little school:

First of all, our bathrooms are right outside our classroom doors, as are their lockers. We can hear them. We can see them if we are anywhere near the doorway. There is a restroom right outside the cafeteria, as well.

They get a 5 minute passing period between classes, and they have no more than a single hallway, the length of 4 classrooms, with bathrooms and lockers between, to travel.

In each class, there is a log kept. Any student may leave the classroom once during the period to go to bathrooms or lockers; he signs out, with the time and signs in with the time. That must happen during independent work time, not during whole-class instruction. One boy and one girl may be signed out at any one time.

Of course, any emergencies are in addition to that. My students with health issues may get up and head to the restroom or health office at any time without asking and without a pass. I ask them to make eye contact with me so that I know it's a health issue, and that's that. Adolescent girls whose cycles aren't regular let me know. If they are embarrassed, they give me a single key word, and head out. Most aren't embarrassed, but the key word is used more frequently with their male teachers.

Those logs are helpful. We don't actually have to use them too often, but they allow the students some independence in managing their needs. They also provide a record when any bathroom vandalism happens. That's rare, and usually involves a student with mental health issues. Last year, someone kept urinating on the floor in our boys' room. Our boys were pissed, and they used the log religiously as evidence that it wasn't them, and reported incidents religiously. Male teachers near that bathroom did periodic checks. We had a small list of suspects which the logs helped us narrow down to the boy who left during class each day for the behavior program that included intensive therapy. It seems that whenever they were making breakthroughs in therapy, the stress of confronting the events that had damaged him caused him to act out in various ways. Because of our small, transparent setting, most of his usual acting-out patterns weren't working for him, so he developed something new.

The bottom line, though, is that it's possible to manage adolescents, and problems with them, without draconian measures, given the right setting and supports.

By high school, they are leaving that developmental stage behind. So while they, and their brains, are not yet mature, they've grown out of the terrible tweens.



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