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(85,986 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:43 PM Jul 2014

Martin O'Malley: 'We Can't Send Children Back to Death' - Says 'Get Them Out Of These Kennels'

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Martin O'Malley: We Can't 'Send Children Back to Death' http://ti.me/W4Uyi0


Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley broke publicly with President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Friday, calling for a more humane policy toward the tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors who have illegally crossed into the United States.

“It is contrary to everything we stand for to try to summarily send children back to death,” the Democratic lawmaker told reporters. O’Malley also criticized the “kennels” in which those who have been detained are being kept and calling for the children to be placed in “the least restrictive” locations, including foster homes or with family members in the U.S.

“Through all of the great world religions we are told that hospitality to strangers is an essential human dignity,” O’Malley said. “It is a belief that unites all of us. And I have watched the pictures of young kids who have traveled for thousands of miles. I can only imagine, as a father of four, the heartbreak that those parents must have felt in sending their children across a desert where they can be muled and trafficked or used or killed or tortured. But with the hope, the hope, that they would reach the United States and that their children would be protected from what they were facing at home, which was the likelihood of being recruited into gangs and dying a violent death.”


O’Malley went so far as to call the children “refugees,” a term with legal weight that would allow most of them to remain in the U.S. He called on Congress and the President to avoid modifying the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008. That measure requires that children who are not from Canada or Mexico who have crossed the border to be given an opportunity to see an immigration judge to make their case for amnesty. Lawmakers on both sides, as well as the White House, are reviewing ways to amend that law to ease deportations of the tens of thousands of migrant children, who are largely from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

O’Malley said “the whole world is watching” how the U.S. responds to the humanitarian crisis.

“We have to do right not just by these kids but by our kids and protect the children who are here, put them in the least restrictive settings, get them out of these detention centers and these kennels where they are being cooped up, and operate as the good and generous people that we have always been,” he added. “That’s what’s at stake here, as well as the lives of these kids.”



read more: http://time.com/2978026/martin-omalley-minors-immigration/


Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley speaks during a general session at the California Democrats State Convention, March 8, 2014, in Los Angeles. Jae C. Hong—AP


Martin O'Malley ‏@GovernorOMalley 1h
The greatest power we have is power of our principles. We're not a country that should send children away & send them back to certain death

*listen*: https://soundcloud.com/americarising/martin-omalley-we-are-not-a-country-that-should-turn-children-away
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Martin O'Malley: 'We Can't Send Children Back to Death' - Says 'Get Them Out Of These Kennels' (Original Post) bigtree Jul 2014 OP
I smell Presidential Timber montanacowboy Jul 2014 #1
He's got it, imo, elleng Jul 2014 #2
I couldn't be more proud of my governor right now bigtree Jul 2014 #3
really courageous stuff. I have real respect for your guv- and long have cali Jul 2014 #34
Lol. Better talk with your Mayor in Baltimore yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #10
What does that have to do with O'Malley? Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #13
Are you kidding? yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #20
He doesn't run Baltimore. And I live in Md. too. Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #57
you're not accurate on that bigtree Jul 2014 #59
Yup! Agschmid Jul 2014 #22
My first thought even just looking at his determined face! WinkyDink Jul 2014 #35
As in falling down.....TIMBER!!!!!! whistler162 Jul 2014 #38
Oh let it be. joshcryer Jul 2014 #40
Mahalo bigtree! Oh I like him. He stands up for what is right.. not expedient. Cha Jul 2014 #4
her take is in the article bigtree Jul 2014 #6
Okay.. I'll go to the link.. thanks! Cha Jul 2014 #8
I hope you found what you were looking for, Cha bigtree Jul 2014 #42
No worries, bigtree.. I was Cha Jul 2014 #58
Hear hear! or if you prefer Here here! Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #5
Yes, Yes! bigtree Jul 2014 #7
Truly. eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #15
O'Malley: "Let's release these children now and then find any excuse to arrest them later." Vattel Jul 2014 #9
his 'ploy' as you call it is the ONLY bold embrace of these children bigtree Jul 2014 #12
well, I am glad that he is saying it. I guess I should give him the benefit of the doubt on motives Vattel Jul 2014 #19
Wow, this guy is good. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #11
this is what leadership is all about bigtree Jul 2014 #14
I've already decided that O'Malley will be my candidate in the primary if he runs. phleshdef Jul 2014 #16
Move over, I'm doing the same. Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #44
That is my governor, and I continue to be proud of him Samantha Jul 2014 #17
I can get behind a candidate who takes stands like this bigtree Jul 2014 #45
I can, too. Would that President Obama and Hillary were so compassionate. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #52
agreed bigtree Jul 2014 #56
Governor O'Malley is speaking for me and many more who want these children treated as refugees mountain grammy Jul 2014 #18
I'm going to help change the terminology of this, along with the governor bigtree Jul 2014 #60
Good, it's really important and Americans need to understand the difference. mountain grammy Jul 2014 #61
That is what is right. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #21
Absolutely right. davidthegnome Jul 2014 #23
Did we not do something similar with the Vietnamese? Cracklin Charlie Jul 2014 #24
Fantastic! Stark contrast to Hillary. morningfog Jul 2014 #25
Hyperbole much? PeteSelman Jul 2014 #26
well, that's just as good an illustration as any bigtree Jul 2014 #27
No, they wouldn't. There have been refugees from heinous situations you sound well short of reasoned TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #28
update: soundcloud of remarks in op bigtree Jul 2014 #29
K&R ReRe Jul 2014 #30
This begs the question: if we take those who are here why not flamingdem Jul 2014 #31
I like him very much.. one_voice Jul 2014 #32
kick bigtree Jul 2014 #33
"The greatest power we have is power of our principles." Obviously he's not a Third Wayer. Scuba Jul 2014 #36
kick bigtree Jul 2014 #37
Well Governor how many is your state willing whistler162 Jul 2014 #39
you should know that the federal govt. is considering sites in Md. to house the children bigtree Jul 2014 #41
agree. riversedge Jul 2014 #43
I like O'Malley but.. butterfly77 Jul 2014 #46
well, this is a progressive-minded state bigtree Jul 2014 #47
Americans are our responsibility.. butterfly77 Jul 2014 #49
I wouldn't send them to Detroit bigtree Jul 2014 #55
» bigtree Jul 2014 #48
Thanks for the OP bigtree unapatriciated Jul 2014 #50
THANK YOU GOV. O'MALLEY! "Get them out of these kennels." Hekate Jul 2014 #51
Regarding the refugees that are placed in Maryland, what's keeping O'Malley from Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #53
our state officials say they want to find appropriate shelter in our state bigtree Jul 2014 #54
» bigtree Jul 2014 #62
Bumping this up - TBF Jul 2014 #63

elleng

(130,865 posts)
2. He's got it, imo,
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:50 PM
Jul 2014

but maybe not enough 'noise' around him.

Biden/O'Malley! (but for Delaware/Maryland proximity.)

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
3. I couldn't be more proud of my governor right now
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jul 2014

. . . if this is his idea of a presidential bid, then I'm thoroughly impressed.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
34. really courageous stuff. I have real respect for your guv- and long have
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 07:01 AM
Jul 2014

I don't agree with him on everything, but he's got some guts.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
20. Are you kidding?
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jul 2014

He runs MY state and he goes and says that we better do something but yet won't even allow HIS state to accept children in Baltimore of all places just because he Mayor says so. Last time I checked, the Governor is senior to the Mayor unless she doesn't want any funding then she is free to do as she pleases.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
59. you're not accurate on that
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jul 2014

. . . .the federal government is looking at sites in Md.. Some they're looking at have been rejected because they were deemed by local officials and legislators as inappropriate to house children. However, as the governor has expressed his desire to house them, it would seem inevitable that our state will receive some of these children. It is a mistake to think that our state isn't going to form some positive collective response to the crisis, as evidenced by the governor's words. Local complaints are to be expected and the governor is correct in remaining sensitive to legitimate ones from those officials; not satisfied with just forcing something through. It will happen. Wait for it.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
4. Mahalo bigtree! Oh I like him. He stands up for what is right.. not expedient.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jul 2014

What was Hillary's take?

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
6. her take is in the article
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:54 PM
Jul 2014

. . .which frames this stand by Gov. O'Malley as a direct challenge to Hillary's position.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
42. I hope you found what you were looking for, Cha
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jul 2014

. . . I would have posted it here, I didn't want to spark another Hillary debate on this thread

Cha

(297,154 posts)
58. No worries, bigtree.. I was
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:59 PM
Jul 2014

thinking about it this morning. Telling myself again.. "Must go to link before I comment on thread".

Really do like Gov O'Malley and speaking of Maryland.. the Prez is playing golf on a private course in that neck of the woods today.. I should say "played". Much needed R&R

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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
5. Hear hear! or if you prefer Here here!
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jul 2014

We're a much bigger nation than some people would have you believe.


Thanks for the thread, bigtree.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
9. O'Malley: "Let's release these children now and then find any excuse to arrest them later."
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jul 2014

He didn't really say that, but given his "arrest them all" policies in Baltimore, he may as well have. I totally agree with what O'Malley said, but given that it is coming from O'Malley, I have no reason to believe that it is sincere. It might be, or it might be a ploy to make himself look better than Clinton.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
12. his 'ploy' as you call it is the ONLY bold embrace of these children
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jul 2014

. . . by ANY of the potential presidential candidates.

He DOES look better than Clinton here. But, more importantly, he's provided the most prominent voice out there in unequivocal defense of these children. That's what I'm focused on. The election two years from now will take care of itself.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
19. well, I am glad that he is saying it. I guess I should give him the benefit of the doubt on motives
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jul 2014
 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
16. I've already decided that O'Malley will be my candidate in the primary if he runs.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:19 PM
Jul 2014

Unless Al Gore decides to jump, but I don't see that happening.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
17. That is my governor, and I continue to be proud of him
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jul 2014

I would love to see him on the ticket in 2016. I am so proud to live in the blue State of Maryland.

Sam

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
45. I can get behind a candidate who takes stands like this
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jul 2014

. . . I hope he's taking notice of the wave of visceral expressions of approval for his blunt, compassionate, and progressive words.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
18. Governor O'Malley is speaking for me and many more who want these children treated as refugees
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:22 PM
Jul 2014

because that's what they are!

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
60. I'm going to help change the terminology of this, along with the governor
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

. . . refugees, not migrants.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
61. Good, it's really important and Americans need to understand the difference.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:58 PM
Jul 2014

The fool Republicans are behaving like heartless idiots because they are.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/calls-are-growing-consider-border-kids-refugees

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
24. Did we not do something similar with the Vietnamese?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:09 AM
Jul 2014

I lived next door to a Vietnamese family who came through Fort Chaffee. They were wonderful neighbors.

I think I love this O'Malley.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
26. Hyperbole much?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jul 2014

"Certain death" is a little dramatic isn't it? If it was all that bad they'd be dead already wouldn't they?

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
27. well, that's just as good an illustration as any
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jul 2014

. . . that they're caught between a rock and a hard place.

Sounds more like a refugee problem (as Gov. O'Malley stated) than a migrant question.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
28. No, they wouldn't. There have been refugees from heinous situations you sound well short of reasoned
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jul 2014

here and it isn't funny or cute would you like to be a child or have your child come through many dangers and seeing the worst to be punted right back into it?

Is their no time where there can be some decency? Does everything ever just have to be snark and callousness.

I mean hellfire, some of might make it it is only 82.71% chance they eat it. Send Em on back, it'll build character!

Awww horsepucky! From what I understand it is only really like a 26.25%. Not bad at all, you can't save everyone for crying out loud!

Yeah, 26% is low, you might as well say 25% or even say around 20%, it's not that bad!

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
29. update: soundcloud of remarks in op
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:58 AM
Jul 2014
https://soundcloud.com/americarising/martin-omalley-we-are-not-a-country-that-should-turn-children-away (right-wing source)




Children sleep in a holding cell at a US Customs and Border Protection processing facility in Brownsville, Texas. (Reuters/Eric Gay/Pool)


( oh, for christ sakes, says my wife upon seeing this image)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. K&R
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:10 AM
Jul 2014
FINALLY! A Democrat stands up and tries to jerk us out of our terd-way malaise.
Thank you Governor O'Malley!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
31. This begs the question: if we take those who are here why not
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jul 2014

take a few hundred thousand more?

I like him but it's not steady ground due to the logic of volume.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
39. Well Governor how many is your state willing
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 09:03 AM
Jul 2014

to take in and ensure that they remain safe from predators. What type of temporary facilities do you have in Maryland? Put up Governor instead of blathering for yourself.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
41. you should know that the federal govt. is considering sites in Md. to house the children
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jul 2014

. . . there's been some pushback from local officials and congressmen, but you can see for yourself what the attitude of the governor is. He's obviously in favor of providing adequate shelter. Sen. Mikulski and Cardin in my state have objected to a particular site, but Mikulski says she's open to placing them somewhere else in Md. I'd expect that they'd find a way, given the governor's stance.

I mean, why do you think he'd have objections to housing them here after making such a statement? Why wouldn't he approve of sheltering them in my state? I'm not getting your complaint. The governor, just last month, signed a bill which expands opportunities for abused, undocumented children.

Earlier this year, he announced that a jail in Baltimore would not necessarily cooperate with feds on deportations, as most jails do.

Besides, our state is already housing some of the children . . .


Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski said she opposes the proposal for the former Social Security Administration buildings, and has asked the federal government to consider other buildings in the state.

"I am concerned about the health and safety consequences of putting hundreds and possibly thousands of children in a closed down Social Security Administration office building while we work through language barriers to ascertain their legal status and locate their parents," the Maryland Democrat said in a statement.

"Federal agencies must work closely with local communities and nonprofits to select sites that meet the unique needs of these vulnerable children," the Maryland Democrat said. "We must be careful to select sites that are kid-friendly. Being empty and available cannot be the only criteria we use."

Meanwhile, Senate Democrats — led by Mikulski — have proposed an additional $1 billion to deal with the spike in child immigrants.

In a related development, the Board of Child Care of the United Methodist Church said Monday that it recently won a federal grant to care for some of the children, and is housing more than a dozen at a facility in western Baltimore County.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-children-immigrants-20140609,0,3035488.story
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06-17/news/bs-md-new-shelters-20140617_1_sites-children-health-and-human-services

 

butterfly77

(17,609 posts)
46. I like O'Malley but..
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

I notice politicians and others speak up for homeless from other countries but don't say a damn thing about children and adults already living in America living on the streets. Affordable housing for Americans!

I can see in these children and there families living better than Americans who have been here for decades and catching hell! Have at it..I live in Detroit.

Don't send them here everytime there is a problem this is the drop off spot seen it throughout the Clinton years,after Katrina. Nothing against the people but send them to Idaho,Wyoming,New York,North Dakota,South Dakota, Oklahoma we have enough problems.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
47. well, this is a progressive-minded state
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and our governor does not neglect the needs of our state's children so that's just not something you're going to be able to argue far against.

I don't know where you live, so I'm in no position to argue that, but I would say that responsibility for these children does need to be shared out as equitably as possible, but they are our responsibility.

 

butterfly77

(17,609 posts)
49. Americans are our responsibility..
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jul 2014

Why don't I see as many arguing so hardily for Americans on the street,they seem to think that is just fine. By the way my governor is a rotten,stinking,piece of shit!

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
50. Thanks for the OP bigtree
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 05:48 PM
Jul 2014

My family and I feel the same about this. My parents live a few miles from Murrieta, Ca. As a family we so disgusted by what took place there. My sister started a petition regarding this subject. I ask that any one who feels the same to please sign.

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/america-does-not-turn.fb51?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=1209208

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
51. THANK YOU GOV. O'MALLEY! "Get them out of these kennels."
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jul 2014

"We're not a country that should send children away & send them back to certain death."

I hope to Gods we hear more from him, soon and frequently.

Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
53. Regarding the refugees that are placed in Maryland, what's keeping O'Malley from
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jul 2014

placing the children in foster homes or with family members who live in that state? I think placing them in less restrictive settings would be a good idea.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
54. our state officials say they want to find appropriate shelter in our state
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and I believe they will. Several sites are under consideration, and several others have been rejected as inappropriate for housing children.

We do already have some of the children receiving shelter from the United Methodist Church which has obtained a federal grant to make that happen. As you might imagine, there's no easy solution, but I believe our legislators and local officials will find a way.

Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski said she opposes the proposal for the former Social Security Administration buildings, and has asked the federal government to consider other buildings in the state.

Mikulski, for one made this statement yesterday, "Federal agencies must work closely with local communities and nonprofits to select sites that meet the unique needs of these vulnerable children . . . We must be careful to select sites that are kid-friendly. Being empty and available cannot be the only criteria we use."

I'll gladly post the success of that pledge when it happens.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
63. Bumping this up -
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jul 2014

Saw a meme for this today and posted it in Socialist Progressives. I don't always read GD so I don't know if it's been up in here as well. I think it's ok for public use (I found it on the MoveOn Facebook page):

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