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packman

(16,296 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:58 AM Jul 2014

23 years in prison for shooting a police dog?

A true loser who deserves punishment-really unbelievable how inept,dumb, and just downright unlucky he is - shoots a police dog and is sentenced to 23 years in prison. The idiot truly needs prison time; but 23 years?



http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/12/unlucky-teen-shoots-retired-police-dog-sentenced-to-23-years-in-prison-video/?utm_source=crowdignite.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=crowdignite.com

Note the apparent double standard - when police kill private citizens dogs "in the line of duty" little or noting happens to the officers, but kill a police dog and the entire justice system falls on you.

By the way, anyone who kills any animal is a piece of shit whomever they may be.
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23 years in prison for shooting a police dog? (Original Post) packman Jul 2014 OP
He shot a police officer, canine or no, in the eyes of the law. If only cops shooting innocent pets hlthe2b Jul 2014 #1
If you take the link Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #3
A dog is not a human being. I don't care if it's a "police officer." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #7
It is the law. This one ( retired) is more questionable, but regardless of your dog disdain... hlthe2b Jul 2014 #8
I don't disdain dogs. But they're not humans, no matter what stupid laws cops get passed. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #18
Police dogs are used as sacrifices in armed standoffs in some places. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #17
Absolutely right. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #22
You said it. They even give police funerals to the dogs. phil89 Jul 2014 #32
That's quite the egotistical stance to take. flvegan Jul 2014 #45
If cops got 23 years in prison for shooting family pets Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #2
I support the sentence for all dog killing. nt TBF Jul 2014 #4
When is the last time an officer was locked up for shooting a dog? Downwinder Jul 2014 #25
Whatever - you can define things however TBF Jul 2014 #34
WTF! JaneyVee Jul 2014 #5
Two police dogs died from heat exhaustion last year Savannahmann Jul 2014 #6
/\ This deathrind Jul 2014 #31
He got 23 years for committing a home break while armed with a gun hack89 Jul 2014 #35
Ridiculously excessive sentence, especially for a juvenile. Shrike47 Jul 2014 #9
Glad he got that much get the red out Jul 2014 #10
cost of that incarceration: approximately $920,000 grasswire Jul 2014 #11
If you want to eliminate gun crime hack89 Jul 2014 #36
it would be cheaper to regulate guns grasswire Jul 2014 #37
We should regulate drugs while we are at it hack89 Jul 2014 #40
From what I heard, it wasn't so much for killing the dog, as for firing a weapon during a felony. WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #12
Thanks for this info. The important facts like this often disappear in the emotion. Takket Jul 2014 #15
Yup ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #19
It works, though, doesn't it. Still 20+ is stiff for a juvenile. Likely less with 'good time.' freshwest Jul 2014 #24
That's what I figured as well. 20 mandatory and 3 for the other charges. freshwest Jul 2014 #23
Yes. Lazy headlines like this are idiotic. nt DRoseDARs Jul 2014 #42
ty 840high Jul 2014 #47
Some cops literally get away with murder, conservaphobe Jul 2014 #13
".....burglary of a dwelling with a firearm " is a first degree felony in Florida hack89 Jul 2014 #14
OK- now I agree packman Jul 2014 #16
and the fact that he was already on whistler162 Jul 2014 #21
Really? Wow. He should get an extra 2 years for just being that stupid. n/t hughee99 Jul 2014 #26
Yup... at least according to this article... whistler162 Jul 2014 #38
Of course he wasn't sentenced for just whistler162 Jul 2014 #20
I guess "for committing multiple armed home invasions" Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #29
Michael Vick was involved in the killing of many dogs, and yet he served only two years. madinmaryland Jul 2014 #27
How many armed home invasions did Vick perpetrate? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #30
not one minute of which was for animal cruelty TorchTheWitch Jul 2014 #33
extremely misleading headline dsc Jul 2014 #39
THANK you. nt DRoseDARs Jul 2014 #41
Yes, and misleading facts of the case as well davidpdx Jul 2014 #44
The source posted seems to twist the facts a bit davidpdx Jul 2014 #43
I totally agree with your comments at the end! Unmenacing Dennis Jul 2014 #46

hlthe2b

(102,190 posts)
1. He shot a police officer, canine or no, in the eyes of the law. If only cops shooting innocent pets
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jul 2014

were treated as harshly.

I truly support this sentence.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. If you take the link
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jul 2014

it does point out that this was a 'retired' police dog, that was serving as a family pet, not a dog 'working' as a 'police officer'.

So I think this penalty points more to your second sentence. If he'd been a police officer himself and done this, it wouldn't have led to jail time at all.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
7. A dog is not a human being. I don't care if it's a "police officer."
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jul 2014

What a laughable fiction.

Dogs as "police officers" is just more cop PR bullshit.

hlthe2b

(102,190 posts)
8. It is the law. This one ( retired) is more questionable, but regardless of your dog disdain...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jul 2014

that's the law.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
28. Police dogs are used as sacrifices in armed standoffs in some places.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jul 2014

Police often aren't allowed to shot a suspect unless he threatens or harms either a civilian or a law enforcement officer.

So, they send Rover out to get shot, so they can shoot the perp.

Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #7)

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
22. Absolutely right.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:49 PM
Jul 2014

Some people spend less time in prison for killing actual people. It is fucking perverse to give someone 23 years for shooting any animal.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
32. You said it. They even give police funerals to the dogs.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jul 2014

Utterly childish and nonsensical. They shouldn't be allowed to be using animals in law enforcement to begin with. So much for facing your accuser...Officer Nibbles. Not to mention the outright abuse they put the dogs through in their training.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. If cops got 23 years in prison for shooting family pets
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jul 2014

I might think this penalty made more sense.

As it stands, this just goes to show that even (Edit: retired) police dogs are far more 'important' than civilian dogs.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
25. When is the last time an officer was locked up for shooting a dog?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jul 2014

If a K9 is an officer then a family pet is a civilian.

TBF

(32,029 posts)
34. Whatever - you can define things however
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jul 2014

you want but my point is that all animal abuse should be severely punished. My opinion.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
6. Two police dogs died from heat exhaustion last year
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:10 PM
Jul 2014

That means that their partner, the human, the responsible one, failed to care for them. Were those officers charged with animal cruelty? or were they charged with killing a doggie cop? Nope. Not a one.

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013

The cop accidentally left the dog in the car after finishing the shift. So the officer never went, come here boy, and then noticed that the dog wasn't there? http://www.odmp.org/k9/1511-k9-spartacus

Eight police dogs died from heat exhaustion in 2012, why were there no charges against the cops who killed their own dogs? http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2012

Each of them should get some time, perhaps even 23 years right?

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
31. /\ This
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jul 2014

An incident like this happened where I live... it was the cop the dog was partnered with that left him in a car...but it was just a tragic accident...

23yrs is nowhere near proportional to the crime in fact it is cruel and unusual.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
35. He got 23 years for committing a home break while armed with a gun
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jul 2014

Not for killing a dog. Florida hammers anyone committing a felony while armed -which is good.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
9. Ridiculously excessive sentence, especially for a juvenile.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jul 2014

He's a bad kid and committed bad crimes, but 23 years? No.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
11. cost of that incarceration: approximately $920,000
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jul 2014

Taxpayers will be paying that. Money spent on incarceration is money removed from other public uses: schools, health programs, parks and recreation, road improvement and public works, etc.

Is this worth $920,000?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
36. If you want to eliminate gun crime
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:22 PM
Jul 2014

Then you have to hammer people that commit felonies while armed. He broke into a home to steal stuff while carrying a gun - that is why he got 23 years.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
37. it would be cheaper to regulate guns
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jul 2014

....doncha think?

Pretty hard to commit all those crimes with a knife or a baseball bat.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
40. We should regulate drugs while we are at it
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jul 2014

Think what that step alone would do for gang violence in Chicago. I wonder why we haven't tried that.

WatermelonRat

(340 posts)
12. From what I heard, it wasn't so much for killing the dog, as for firing a weapon during a felony.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:47 PM
Jul 2014

Discharging a firearm while committing a felony is a mandatory 20 year sentence in Florida.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
19. Yup
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jul 2014

It's like when FOX breathlessly announces "Student suspended for wearing American flag bandana!!!!!" and then you find out he was suspended for punching a teacher when asked to remove the bandana.

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
13. Some cops literally get away with murder,
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

but that doesn't mean I don't think this guy got what he deserved.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. ".....burglary of a dwelling with a firearm " is a first degree felony in Florida
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

(2) Burglary is a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if, in the course of committing the offense, the offender:
(a) Makes an assault or battery upon any person; or
(b) Is or becomes armed within the dwelling, structure, or conveyance, with explosives or a dangerous weapon; or


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0810/Sections/0810.02.html

If you want to reduce gun crime, you have to hammer criminals that use guns. Not complicated.
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
16. OK- now I agree
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jul 2014

He got what he deserved. The dog is an emotional issue- it's the felony that did it.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
21. and the fact that he was already on
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jul 2014

probation/release for another burglary and was wearing a GPS bracelet that showed his location at the time of the crime.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
38. Yup... at least according to this article...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:55 PM
Jul 2014

"Prosecutors noted to the jury that Rosier confessed to breaking into the residence while wearing a GPS bracelet because of a previous burglary arrest. "

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/11/florida-teen-gets-23-years-in-prison-for-fatal-shooting-of-a-former-police-dog/

Some times you have to wonder why the charge of criminal stupidity is not on the books.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
20. Of course he wasn't sentenced for just
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jul 2014

shooting the retired police dog. But, heck it made people look!

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. I guess "for committing multiple armed home invasions"
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jul 2014

would not have attracted quite so much outrage.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
39. extremely misleading headline
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jul 2014

He didn't get sentenced solely for shooting the dog, he got sentenced for the home invasion and for shooting the dog.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
44. Yes, and misleading facts of the case as well
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:34 PM
Jul 2014

See #43. The newspaper article link was posted within the article given by the OP.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
43. The source posted seems to twist the facts a bit
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jul 2014

If you look at the original source posted within it, the news story gives the details of what happened

The charges were:

The end result: A guilty verdict on the felony counts of cruelty to animals with a firearm, burglary of a dwelling with a firearm and shooting into a building.


The charges were NOT based on the fact that it was a police dog, they were animal cruelty:

The animal cruelty charge against Rosier was not based on Drake's status as a retired police dog or Boody's work as a trooper, prosecutors said.


Also the judge was taking into account this, which wasn't mentioned above:

Arco asked Rosier's jury to consider his unforced confession and the GPS data linking Rosier to Boody's three-bedroom house on the 700 block of Quartz Terrace. Rosier was wearing the bracelet at the time as a condition of his arrest on another burglary charge.


While I agree 23 years is too steep, the way this is posted is a case of selective bias on both the source and posting of facts.
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