It should be easy to prove where the missile was fired from that brought down fl17

[awake]

Satellite photos of the all the missile launchers in the area should show the one with one less missile, this would be very convincing evidence.

[MohRokTah]

1. It's already been proved.

See this thread for details:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025256499

[awake]

2. A photo could be made public were the other technology we may want to keep secret

[Igel]

3. You have to know where to look.

I'm not sure there's a geosynchronous satellite positioned right there. Probably not. Most pass over at regular intervals.

The SA batteries are mobile. They can be moved. A tarp can be thrown over them.

At the same time there are the infamous and obligatory series of shifting and mutually-contradictory reports, some or all of which are false.

Here's one series of fairly consistent reports that all seem to all point in the same direction--with similar kinds of reports from before the MH17 crash. Note that these reports come from a variety of sources--Avakov is the National Guard guy, I think, and heads "InfoResist" which is certainly government. Others are just what people tell the informator.lg.ua site. Some are from other media sources, using their stringers and informants.

http://informator.lg.ua/?p=10744
A BUK was claimed to have been seen and videoed moving towards the Russian border. It was missing a rocket. This is where it was sighted (unreliably, by locals) on 7/12 or 7/13.

http://informator.lg.ua/?p=10815
From yesterday. Yesterday a photo and video of a BUK in Snizhne was posted to social media hours before the MH17. This is just more of the same kind of thing.

If the names and locations get to be a bit much, here's a map.
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I think the link works. It's just ugly and I'm tired of editing it to make it pretty.

The area along the Russian border from Snizhne over to Sverdlovsk is controlled or severely contested by Ukr forces. If you wanted to get something out of this area, you'd take it north towards Luhansk and then SE towards Krasnodon. From Krasnodon up to the border due east of Luhansk is pretty much open for the rebels to move across.

The plane was downed west of Torez, near Shakhtarsk. Snizhne is where the BUK was IDed yesterday a couple of hours before the plane was downed and where it was spotted again early this morning. It was then spotted moving towards Krasnodon. If it's the same one. By road, the border using that path is around 60-75 miles from Snizhne. So the times posted aren't all that off, given the speed the vehicle can move it.

[awake]

4. Nice find

The satellite does not need to be geosynchronous, fly overs take about 2hr so just compare the lunchers before the shoot down and after and one should be able to find the luncher it came from. I do not think that a luncher would be moved that was not used so they should be in the same place and if the one that was used was being moved then bingo you have it. The video of the moving luncher you posted did not have a tarp on it so I bet they move on it quickly. I hope some one checks the Images an finds proof that can be made public.

If the luncher was showed to have been move back to Russia then we would have them red handed holding a "smoking gun"

[sir pball]

5. Satellites are pretty much useless for intel in this kind of rapid timeframe

There are no geosynchronous imaging birds; the orbit is far too high for any meaningful resolution. The LEO ones could theoretically spot a launcher with an expended missile quite easily, but their "schedules" are absolutely immutable...if one happened to be coming overhead immediately after the shoot, current imagery could be obtained, but realistically it's more like six to 24 hours until something overflies. Plenty of time to reload or hide the launcher.

With an RQ-180 drone (or Aurora, if it exists), the images could be taken post-haste - I suspect it may have happened, but the project is still pretty hush-hush so if the NRO/DIA does have some snapshots, we won't be seeing them anytime soon..

[awake]

6. Thank you I had thought the overflies were every 2hrs

but if it takes six to 24 hours until something overflies then you are right the over flight would probably need to have been with in a hour of the launch because as soon as they realized that they "fucked up" the coverup would have started.

One can hope though that we can have some hard evidence to nail Putin with. We could have it and are waiting for Putin to lock in his excuse thinking that we do not have proof then we release it and let him twist in the wind.