Mugshot of guy caught sexually abusing an 11 year old boy--after dad got done with him

[WI_DEM]

Daytona Beach father beat an 18-year-old man unconscious after finding him sexually abusing his 11-year-old son early Friday morning, police said.

The father called 911 around 1 a.m. after he walked in on the alleged abuse, police said. When officers arrived, they found Raymond Frolander motionless on the living room floor. He had several knots on his face and was bleeding from the mouth.

"He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you," the father told the 911 dispatcher. "I drug him out to the living room."

According to the arrest affidavit, Frolander admitted the abuse.



Source: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Florida-Father-Beats-Accused-Child-Abuser-267689071.html#ixzz37r2fdaVI
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[uppityperson]

1. Please add Graphic to your thread title. Thank you

[Dustlawyer]

36. I gathered from the Title what I was expecting to see, but ok.

[SecularMotion]

47. The thread title should have a warning - REVENGE PORN!

[aikoaiko]

89. And here I thought it was saint-like restraint.

[Scuba]

100. Me too. He'd look a lot worse if it was my kid.

[lame54]

64. i think that was completely obvious...

in fact - I was expecting worse

[11 Bravo]

2. Works for me.

[Politicalboi]

3. Good job dad

When asked by the 911 dispatcher if any weapons were involved, the father said "my foot and my fist."

[LordGlenconner]

4. I'm sure some will criticize

But the guy got what was coming to him. And after he works his way through the court system he'll likely get some more in the form of jail time.

[Dustlawyer]

38. I am glad the dad did not kill him and ruin another life, his own!

[d_r]

86. Florida and stand your ground

he caught him in the act, would be defending the family

[conservaphobe]

5. [insert standing ovation here]

[Tetris_Iguana]

6. Alright by me

Note to those riding high horses:

It is morally ok to beat the living snot out of someone actively raping a kid.

It's called prerogative, gumption, courage, etc... And is the mark of a good person effecting positive change on the world.

[d_r]

87. That was one of the things that bothered me

about the Sandusky thing. A graduate assistant caught him raping a kid in the shower and didn't stop it, he went and talked to Paterno about it. How could anybody not stop that?

[Aerows]

7. And the f-words I have to give

are completely absent.

[backwoodsbob]

8. Good job Dad

He didn't kill him.I'm not sure I could have shown the same amount of restraint

[LuvNewcastle]

29. Same here.

In fact, I'm almost positive that I would have killed the man. I hope that if I was in the same situation, I would get a sympathetic jury.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

9. I admire his restraint. nt

[Aerows]

11. I hope he didn't hurt his hand

beating that disgrace.

[LuvNewcastle]

32. Me too, Aerows. That would be a tragedy.

[Xipe Totec]

13. No kidding. nt

[Eleanors38]

10. My bet: Volusia Co. grand jury will no-bill the dad.

[MohRokTah]

14. Cops wouldn't arrest him.

The head cop said the dad was being a dad and there was nothing to arrest him over.

It's always nice to see cops doing the right thing.

[stevenleser]

15. If THEY don't, jury nullification is in the cards at trial. nt

[steve2470]

26. agreed nt

[LisaL]

70. Dad wasn't charged with anything, so no grand jury.

[Eleanors38]

104. I'm allowing some latitude.

[MohRokTah]

12. I'd Rec this if it had a GRAPHIC warning.

I may have to alert on it if one isn't added soon.

[alfredo]

44. The subject line informed me that the image would be graphic. The word "graphic"

was not needed.

[2pooped2pop]

53. I hope you meant to add a sarcasm sign

coz this alerting on every tiny thing needs to stop

rec'd it for ya

[MohRokTah]

56. I thought about the title, didn't alert

Didn't Rec, either. It still need a GRAPHIC tag

[2pooped2pop]

60. must be me

I keep putting in democratic underground but apparently I end up at WiltingFlowers.com

[MohRokTah]

61. Don't know many people with PTSD, eh?

[2pooped2pop]

65. yeah but they know how to read

and can tell from that title what to expect.

[MohRokTah]

67. I know too many who might still click on this thread.

Big old (GRAPHIC) always gets their attention, though.

It's the responsible thing to do, otherwise link to the site with the graphic photo and give the warning right before the link.

[2pooped2pop]

68. right, it's a huge issue

lol

[Chan790]

76. I'm not sure a Graphic tag will fit.

I'm pretty sure that subject line is right around the max length.

That brings me to a change I'd like to see...the addition of tagging like used at Discussionist. It would allow people to tag posts apart from the subject line and allow other people to choose tags to hide. (I think I'm going to suggest that in ATA.)

[MohRokTah]

81. Good idea! eom

[mimi85]

90. Seriously? nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

95. "after dad got done with him" = GRAPHIC

[MohRokTah]

96. I know too many people that wouldn't get that. eom

No alert, just no rec.

[customerserviceguy]

103. Maybe those folks

thought the dad gave the rapist a good talking to.

[zappaman]

16. Works for me!

[davidn3600]

17. Lucky this guy didnt have a gun on him

You never know these days.

[seabeyond]

20. really? your posts are truly amazing. and here a scum bag is raping a kid, and this is your comment

good thing the rapist didnt have a gun, he could have shot and killed the dad abusing him?

[Skittles]

28. I think he is referring to the father

[seabeyond]

40. i think he was referrring to the rapist. would be interesting for him to clarify.

thanks skittle. i had not taken it that way, though that could be. history of the poster, and how i read that, i question it.

[BainsBane]

41. I think Skittles is right

Remember, the victim is a boy.

[davidn3600]

46. Actually now that I think about it...could be true for either one

Most fathers who have a gun would have just shot the guy. But if that rapist happened to have a handgun himself in a pocket, the father could have been shot during the fight.

Maybe it's just me being careful or paranoid, but I assume everyone has a weapon these days. Cops operate under the same assumption.

[edgineered]

63. Being on the receiving end of

so many asinine alerts, seabeyond has no reason not to say whatever she damn well pleases. If it doesn't suit someone, that's just too bad, imo. Case in point, the alert with 0-7 decision a few nights ago made me happy to be here!

[seabeyond]

71. ahhhh. lol.

you have sat on a few of mine, huh. lol. i hear ya. but no, i do not get to say whatever. i am willing to consider i may have read the poster differently from others and clarification is needed.

thanks though

nice of you

[pnwmom]

98. Isn't it a good thing the rapist didn't shoot and kill the dad?

I don't understand what you're saying.

[seabeyond]

99. no. you do not get what i am saying pn.

it really has nothing to do with this specific issue.

but, you read it as him talking about the rapist having the gun, too, i see. that is how i read it.

[Barack_America]

18. A beer awaits you in Michigan, sir.

I have no pity for those who prey upon children.

[GoneOffShore]

19. Not generally a fan of vigilante justice, but this looks righteous to me.

And as far as "Graphic", that's not bad.

Just ugly.

[arcane1]

30. Catching him in the act kinda takes the edge off for me too.

[alfredo]

45. Vigilante justice is premeditated, the father acted in the heat of the moment.

[nomorenomore08]

57. Very important distinction. n/t

[Lithos]

21. That jerk is lucky

Kudos to the dad for catching this. I hope the boy gets any medical/psychological help he needs.

L-

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. This guy is going to have to be put in protective custody in prison....

In general population they'll kill him.

[tallahasseedem]

23. Bravo to the Dad for his restraint...

and for giving that guy what he deserved.

Now it's time for lots of counseling and love to that poor little boy.

[etherealtruth]

25. I would like to pretend I am above that (I am ALMOST ALWAYS)

....but, f*ck with one of my children ...hurt one of my children ....

[Aerows]

31. ANY child

The loser got exactly what was coming to him, except he managed to escape with his life.

[etherealtruth]

33. You are right

[BillZBubb]

27. Two thumbs up to Dad!

You abuse kids, you deserve to pay the price.

[Rex]

34. The teenager should be happy the dad did not kill him. nt.

nt.

[lpbk2713]

35. Probably got more of the same when he got to the jail.

*Disclaimer: Not saying it is right, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.

[the_sly_pig]

37. As a father I would have done the same thing; however..

I would also expect to be processed through the system. Accept responsibility for your actions and trust in the system. I would expect that Dad would at most get probation but most likely would not get convicted. We are either a land of governed by laws or we are not.

[alfredo]

48. He was defending his family from an intruder. I don't think a jury would convict.

[All_Corners]

62. Not every violent interaction requires arrest or being charged...

If it is obvious on it's face that the person was within the law the police are, and should be, well within their discretion to leave it at that.

[eggplant]

74. "on its face". Heh. n/t

[All_Corners]

83. Funny without trying...

The best kind of funny...

[LisaL]

75. Dad isn't being charged with anything.

Police decided he acted like a father would.

[Historic NY]

39. You can bet the suspect is never going to forget this crime.

[Throd]

42. I bet he won't do that again.

[AngryAmish]

43. Not sure I would have called the cops.

A few other fellas I would call tho.

[alfredo]

51. A large percentage of prisoners were victims of abuse as children.

That punk will become a surrogate for the father, uncle, or neighbor, that abused them. His presence will be a constant reminder of their pain and humiliation.

http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics
14% of all men in prison and 36% of women in prison in the USA were abused as children, about twice the frequency seen in the general population. 7

[AngryAmish]

97. Then what I would do then would be a mercy

[butterfly77]

49. Good!

He needs some more.

[BainsBane]

50. If we could rely on courts to deal appropriately with rapists

This sort of thing would be less common, and people would not be applauding the father's actions. I will not applaud this violence, but I do deplore a legal system that fails to deal appropriately with sexual assault, particularly against children.

How many times have we heard people say this sort of rape isn't "forcible" and therefore not as bad. Remember what people are talking about when they make such claims. They are talking about children who don't have the strength to physically resist, who are more easily intimidated by adults. This is the "non-forcible" rape people talk about. Perhaps if Americans stopped making such troubling distinctions, stopped insisting "non-forcible" (typically meaning on a minor) rape wasn't as big of a deal, we could start to improve things and rely on the courts rather than angry fathers for justice.

And what of the children without angry fathers? Who seeks justice for them?

[dilby]

52. Sure if the police caught the guy first, don't think there is a father alive

who would not do what this father did if they caught a man raping their child.

[BainsBane]

55. There definitely are fathers who wouldn't do this

And then there are kids without fathers around.

[nomorenomore08]

59. ...

[dembotoz]

54. the father is also lucky that the teenager will live

dead suspected perv harder to explain than beat up suspected perv.
i put the term suspected in

because as of yet all we know is that he got the shit beat out of him
remember sgt bergdahal and lets not convict the kid quite yet

[Jenoch]

58. Anyone who can read should have expected

a photo of the perp after having been beaten by the father.

The perp also seems likely to be a family member of some sort, otherwise why would an 18 year be around an 11 year old (or a 15 year old boy around an 8 year ld boy). I certainly hope the boy receives treatment for what he has been through.

[LisaL]

69. No, from what has been reported, the perp is a neighbor, not a relative.

[Jenoch]

72. A neighbor?

I never would have allowed my children to hang out with neighbor kids with such a large age difference.

[LisaL]

73. I guess he had them fooled.

Maybe they have an older child with whom this neighbor hung out, meanwhile he was after a younger one.

[Jenoch]

78. I get so angry when reading stories such as this.

Your idea is a plausible explanation, however, it seems the yonger boy was alone with that predator too many times.

I don't care if he is only 18, this man needs to do serious time while getting treatment. I live in Minnesota and there is a separate facility for these types of crimes where the perps are incarcerated but also get treatment.

[dougg]

66. son-of-a-b_tch

son-of-a-b_tch still looks a lot better than he should.





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[Chan790]

82. A friendly heads-up...

you may want to edit the post to use another word than even the altered form of "b_tch" as it's likely to be alerted on, it's a fairly-established no-no here unless its use is necessary by some circumstance rendering it unavoidable. The same is true of "c_nt", other misogynistic slurs and any homophobic slur. (Not that you used a homophobic slur but I figured if I was pointing out the issues with verbiage, I should cover it all.)

(I'm not going to alert. You're new here, but I felt it should be noted so you could edit.)

If you're looking for a situational-appropriate replacement word, "pedophile asshole" would pass muster. Nobody is likely to dispute that he is or be offended by its use.

[90-percent]

77. Very misleading title

I was expecting a What Not to Wear make over and got a very disturbing picture instead. Stacy and Clinton really went medieval on this guys ass!



I abhor violence, but considering the circumstances dad had a lot more self control than I would have!


-90% Jimmy

[Prophet 451]

79. Well, in the heat of the moment...

...I can't really criticize dad for blowing his top when he caught the perp red-handed. Maybe fine him a dollar for formality's sake and then shake his hand.

[madokie]

80. Father knows best

if someone would have abused one of us kids as we were growing up he would have met the same fate. If someone was to abuse my grand daughter I'm not sure I would be able to contain my anger as this father was able too. I can live with pretty much anything except abuse of any kind to any one. Simply cannot tolerate it at all.

Don't fuck with my family, friends or pets, me thats another story. I was bullied as a kid and what brought the mean out on me and ultimately stopped the bullying was when I witness a bunch of kids bullying my younger brother and his friend. Six of them and I kicked all six of their sorry asses, one at a time, one after the other.

[fishwax]

84. poor kid--I hope he gets any help and support he needs

According to the article the perpetrator had done this multiple times.

[Mr.Bill]

85. Where I live, when a mug shot looks like that

it's called "resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer".

[frylock]

88. this is not without precedent. this fool in the OP is lucky to be alive..

SHINER, Texas -- Hearing his 5-year-old daughter crying from behind a barn, a father ran and discovered the unthinkable: A man molesting her. The father pulled the man off his daughter, authorities say, and started pummeling him to death with his fists.

With his daughter finally safe, the father frantically called 911, begging a dispatcher to find his rural ranch and send an ambulance.

"Come on! This guy is going to die on me!" the man is heard screaming on the 911 call. "I don't know what to do!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/father-kills-molester-texas-no-charges_n_1610465.html

[d_b]

91. thats a good look for him

piece of fucking trash

[Inkfreak]

92. That poor child.

I cannot imagine what he and his family is going through. And fuck that dude, I hope get does some serious time. Rot in jail, pig.

[smirkymonkey]

93. Good, I am glad. He got what he deserved. He's lucky he's still alive.

Poor kid.

[DustyJoe]

94. missing in picture

Hopefully missing in the picture is the guys balls laying on the ground after the Dad ripped them off this perverted pedo piece of filth. That way, after the courts let him back on the street as they will, he can't do it again.

[FoxNewsSucks]

101. Sounds like the kind of Dad that needs to visit a few Catholic priests. nt

[840high]

102. Good Dad.

[Triana]

105. I LOVE this story. NOT that the creep raped the guy's son but...

...that Dad BEAT. THE. SHIT. out of the goddamned cretin for it. Good on the Dad!