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http://news.yahoo.com/maryland-man-killed-while-testing-bulletproof-vest-190509854.html<snip>
A Maryland man faced murder charges on Friday after accidentally shooting his friend while testing out a bulletproof vest, a shooting reportedly recorded on a video camera.
Baltimore police arrested Mark Ramiro, 30, after he fatally shot Darnell Mitchell, 28, late on Wednesday.
The Baltimore Sun reported on Friday the shooting was recorded on a video camera by a third person.
In that video, Mitchell brags that he is about to take a deuce deuce in the chest - a shot from a .22-caliber bullet - before Ramiro, who is seen standing in front of Mitchell, fired the handgun once. He struck Mitchell just above the vest, the newspaper said.
Police would not comment on specific evidence.
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Which word comes to mind first here - jackasses!
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)hold my beer and watch this.
malaise
(268,698 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)Wonder if he'll plead dumbness. Seems as if Mitchell gave him permission to shoot him but didn't realize until the last minosecond, "Hey, maybe this is a dumb idea".
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Iggo
(47,534 posts)Kaleva
(36,248 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Kaleva
(36,248 posts)JohLast
(81 posts)BB1
(798 posts)Pffffft.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)LisaL
(44,972 posts)Except the vest was supposed to have saved him. Of course if the shooter misses the vest, then the vest can't work.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)"bullet resistant" is a more accurate term.
Edit: and no vest is going to stop any bullet that hits the body outside the area the vest covers.
GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Unless it's all a ruse and he intended to murder the guy. Could be.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Now does the shooter retain his good guy with a gun status in this case? After all he was just stupid not violent.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Guns don't kill people! Stupid fucking people with guns kill people.
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The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)Response to The Magistrate (Reply #39)
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The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)So, if you were going into a fight, and law was not a concern, would you rather go in with a gun in hand, a knife, or empty hands?
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The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)Any fight, even the most ordinary, can get out of hand. But your answer was plain enough; you consider possession of a gun greatly adds to your chances of prevailing in a fight, since you would, in situations you deem most important, prefer to have a gun in your hand. So your opening gambit, the 'People kill people. They don't need a gun to do it' line, is tactics, not true position. It is not something you really mean seriously, rather it is something you say in the belief it might gain you some advantage, and lays groundwork for a claim that even restricting gun purchases or ownership would not really have any impact, because 'people don't need a gun to kill'. But you are quite aware possessing a gun makes it a good deal easier to kill.
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The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)You make a lot of assumptions for a stranger....
Your opening bid was this: "People kill people. They don't need a gun to do it."
You have acknowledged that people do kill a good deal more easily, a good deal more readily, a good deal more reliably, with a gun than without a gun.
Which makes your opening "People kill people. They don't need a gun to do it" seem a rather silly thing for you to say, since it is not really your true position.
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BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I missed your exchange with I assume was a MIRT removal. Using logic with a gunner works as well as with a fundamentalist: not at all. They will not admit that guns kill people, that they are even dangerous. They will dance and dance around that sentence because they know that from that, all else follows. It makes a logical person's brain hurt.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)one gets death the other gets life.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)Missing the vest is
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)that the vest was on a store mannequin, and not a dummy.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Of course it sounds like these boys were absolutely sure they knew what they were doing.
--imm
malaise
(268,698 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)n/t
malaise
(268,698 posts)or make sure your friend can shoot
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)a very stupid mistake at that. Now two lives are ruined. It's sad for them and their families.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)used to do this to demonstrate how well his bullet proof vests worked.
malaise
(268,698 posts)Too good
spin
(17,493 posts)Aristus
(66,286 posts)He successfully discovered that the bullet-proof vest he was wearing was not so bullet-proof. He would be so proud if he wasn't so dead.
Back to the drawing board, boys. This design? Not so hot...
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)His buddy shot him ABOVE the vest. Armor plates don't stop bullets that don't hit the plate.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... this was just a .22. Had it actually hit the vest, odds are 99.999% the vest would have stopped it.
The thing that people often don't get is that handguns are not very accurate with respect to aim. Having a very short barrel means that even at what would seem to be close range, it is very easy to miss. This guy just missed the vest by a tiny amount. That was all it took.
The folks playing this dumbass game just didn't think it through.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)He was surprised that it hurt to get shot.
But, as a defense. The surviving idiot may want to have his lawyer pull all of the vest videos from Youtube and show what they were trying to do.
Italian vest test.
Fools with guns and vests. Language NSFW
So the action is not unusual, and the result isn't either.
I doubt that you can get a murder charge to fly past the jury. Not when there are so many examples of people doing just this on the net.
malaise
(268,698 posts)This is news to me