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cali

(114,904 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 05:58 PM Jul 2014

He's the oil and gas President, not the environmental president.

President Obama will not be remembered kindly on the environment. Actions speak louder than words. And his actions have been more pro big oil and gas than pro environment. Combined with his strong support for fracking, this latest, really egregious opening of the eastern seaboard to gas and oil exploration, illustrates how pro-corporate and pro oil and gas, this President is. He gives good speeches on the environment and global climate change, but many of his policies belie his words.



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The cannons create noise pollution in waters shared by whales, dolphins and turtles, sending sound waves 100 times louder than a jet engine reverberating through the deep every ten seconds for weeks at a time. Arguing that endangered species could be harmed was the environmental groups' best hope for extending a decades-old ban against drilling off the U.S. Atlantic coast.

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The surveys also can map marine habitats and identify solid undersea flooring for wind energy turbines. But fossil fuel mostly funds this research, and corporations keep the data secret, disclosing it only to the government.

The sonic cannons are often fired continually for weeks or months, and multiple mapping projects may operate simultaneously. To get permits, companies will need to have whale-spotting observers onboard and do undersea acoustic tests to avoid nearby species. Certain habitats will be closed during birthing or feeding seasons.

Still, underwater microphones have picked up blasts from these sonic cannons over distances of thousands of miles, and the constant banging — amplified in water by orders of magnitude — will be impossible for many species to avoid.

Whales and dolphins depend on being able to hear their own much less powerful echolocation to feed, communicate and keep in touch with their family groups across hundreds of miles. Even fish and crabs navigate and communicate by sound, said Grant Gilmore, an expert on fish ecology in Vero Beach, Fla.

"We don't know what the physiological effects are. It could be permanent hearing damage in many of these creatures just by one encounter with a high-energy signal," Gilmore said.

More than 120,000 comments were sent to the government, which spent years developing these rules. The bureau's environmental impact study estimates that more than 138,000 sea creatures could be harmed, including nine of the world's remaining 500 north Atlantic right whales.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/east-coast-oil-exploration-_n_5599674.html

His heart belongs to corporations.

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He's the oil and gas President, not the environmental president. (Original Post) cali Jul 2014 OP
DURec leftstreet Jul 2014 #1
Impostors billhicks76 Jul 2014 #20
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Jul 2014 #34
+... 840high Jul 2014 #35
Agreed. Change has come Jul 2014 #40
The term "Trojan horse" comes to mind n/t MissDeeds Jul 2014 #59
Hey That's Not Allowed Here billhicks76 Jul 2014 #83
+1 L0oniX Jul 2014 #81
I hope what he's done so far doesn't mean he's going to OK the Keystone XL pipeline. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #2
My guess is he'll not OK it. It's so high profile. In my book, it's too high profile cali Jul 2014 #4
I have heard that it is already cheaper to deliver the oil by rail anyway n2doc Jul 2014 #10
yep. cali Jul 2014 #11
There's always a Plan B or C or . . . rickyhall Jul 2014 #13
Rail is too dangerous. US companies won't use proper tanker cars to transport and they explode. cui bono Jul 2014 #56
unfortunately...... daleanime Jul 2014 #78
The interesting this is that Canada is going to have much higher standards than us so the tanker cui bono Jul 2014 #86
Well I will go out on a limb and predict that he will. zeemike Jul 2014 #18
+1 NealK Jul 2014 #41
Yes, many of the controversial issues have been 'taken off the table' like Chained CPI eg, until sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #82
That is unfortunately true. zeemike Jul 2014 #84
The XL pipeline isn't about stopping tar sands oil. obxhead Jul 2014 #22
I've never understood the case for the Keystone XL pipeline IronLionZion Jul 2014 #67
Yay, so the whole SE coast is going to look like the Gulf? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #3
See my pot #4 cali Jul 2014 #5
That's all he's been. Phlem Jul 2014 #6
silver tonged devil nickknack Jul 2014 #7
Silver tongs leftstreet Jul 2014 #8
His behavior is outrageous. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #9
all for 236 days worth of oil and 18+ months of natural gas magical thyme Jul 2014 #12
LOL, his heart belongs to America's energy independent future. joshcryer Jul 2014 #14
What's next? Strip mining "clean" coal? Fearless Jul 2014 #53
Yup. joshcryer Jul 2014 #54
I am livid!! Why is he doing this???????????? jillan Jul 2014 #15
Ban This! imthevicar Jul 2014 #16
that's been apparent for some time now stupidicus Jul 2014 #17
And I've seen no evidence that H. Clinton won't continue this environmental destruction. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #19
A continuation of every wrong policy for the last 3 decades. obxhead Jul 2014 #24
Agreed And Well Said..... supercats Jul 2014 #69
Come on, cali! Give him a chance!! He's only been POTUS for 66 months! RufusTFirefly Jul 2014 #21
Agreed. 7th dimensional chess experts plan at least 67 months in advance.... Tommymac Jul 2014 #48
It takes a long time to turn a big ship around!!! QC Jul 2014 #58
Anyone who is surprised, stopped paying attention long ago. flvegan Jul 2014 #23
+ a zillion truebluegreen Jul 2014 #25
Obama has made several disappointing decisions regarding the environment. nt ladjf Jul 2014 #26
If I understand correctly, we are now much less dependent on foreign oil, which means... Hekate Jul 2014 #27
He had a congress to work with in 2009-2010 Doctor_J Jul 2014 #29
Ah the old canard raises its head again. Hekate Jul 2014 #30
So when you say, "Congress that will work with him", what do you mean? 65 (D) senators? Doctor_J Jul 2014 #71
"If I understand correctly, we are now much less dependent on foreign oil" Phlem Jul 2014 #31
OPEP sets the price of crude, and profiteering speculators speculate on it to cash in on it Amonester Jul 2014 #36
What? Township75 Jul 2014 #33
Lol TransitJohn Jul 2014 #42
foreign oil and domestic oil make the same damage to the environment. progressoid Jul 2014 #50
I have a gently used bridge for sale. obxhead Jul 2014 #64
So nobody can even look at alternative without Congress approving it? Savannahmann Jul 2014 #75
And the Race To The Bottom president, instead of the education president Doctor_J Jul 2014 #28
+1 Tommymac Jul 2014 #49
well at least he tried PatrynXX Jul 2014 #32
He tried? Savannahmann Jul 2014 #39
Tried what? n/t cui bono Jul 2014 #57
Look to the Gulf of Mexico disaster and remember how BHO kowtowed to Big Oil. SSDD blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #37
BEYOND APPALLING Samantha Jul 2014 #38
K&R NealK Jul 2014 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #44
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2014 #45
ugh...why oh why? spanone Jul 2014 #46
Damn I miss ProSense krawhitham Jul 2014 #47
MIA? Or simply had advance warning to get out of Dodge. Divernan Jul 2014 #51
Me too! michello Jul 2014 #77
Oceana Says 730,000 jobs in blast zone at risk. Divernan Jul 2014 #52
''WE'' must change it. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #55
I used to think he caved too easily MissDeeds Jul 2014 #60
US is now the biggest oil producer womanofthehills Jul 2014 #61
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #62
thank you, E. cali Jul 2014 #63
Well, he's got to make a living after he is out of office... kentuck Jul 2014 #65
AN oil and gas president. n/t Orsino Jul 2014 #66
We had high hopes for the guy - we believed in him d_b Jul 2014 #68
Somebody remind me: bvar22 Jul 2014 #70
Obama was the Trojan horse candidate... polichick Jul 2014 #74
Obama's part in the BP crisis showed who he is... polichick Jul 2014 #72
I viewed this post expecting, well, exactly what I got; greiner3 Jul 2014 #73
Yes - best to ignore the truth if it's ugly. polichick Jul 2014 #76
The "Change" that we should never believed in--little more than a shill for oil & bankers emsimon33 Jul 2014 #79
Hopey changey frackalicious L0oniX Jul 2014 #80
I'll do you one more! He agreed to a fraudulent 20 billion BP Gulf oil spill deal except Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #85
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
20. Impostors
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jul 2014

Our party has been infiltrated by corporatists and foreign and domestic war profiteers who mislead the moderate fools in our ranks who care more about status, image and acceptance then they do the issues. Anyone can SAY anything in a speech. Bush could give a speech about being compassionate and then murder a 100,000 people. He was just stupider and clumsier but Obama had many of the same actions...some even worse because the center had been successfully moved farther right.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. My guess is he'll not OK it. It's so high profile. In my book, it's too high profile
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jul 2014

and a diversion. The tar sands oil will continue being extracted and delivered. Rail transport has increased 800% over the last few years Fracking is a greater threat and one which the U.S. can actually do something about as it's happening in the U.S.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
10. I have heard that it is already cheaper to deliver the oil by rail anyway
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jul 2014

If so, then I would expect industry to let the project die a quiet death.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
56. Rail is too dangerous. US companies won't use proper tanker cars to transport and they explode.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 04:05 AM
Jul 2014




Big Oil's report on exploding tank cars:




cui bono

(19,926 posts)
86. The interesting this is that Canada is going to have much higher standards than us so the tanker
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jul 2014

tanker cars won't be able to cross the border.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
18. Well I will go out on a limb and predict that he will.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jul 2014

But after November...and probably the congress will force him too somehow.
If Koch industries wants that pipeline they will get it...and we will get good reasons why they should.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. Yes, many of the controversial issues have been 'taken off the table' like Chained CPI eg, until
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jul 2014

after the election. Watch the lame duck Congress which is generally where these things get passed. What can we do to stop them? I am not hopeful there is anything. They lie when they run for office so what they SAY is not guarantee.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
84. That is unfortunately true.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jul 2014

And I don't have a lot of hope ethier...and I wish I had a plan to stop it but I don't.
The only hope I have is that we will wise up to the game and stop playing it.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
22. The XL pipeline isn't about stopping tar sands oil.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jul 2014

It is simply about making it cheaper to export it abroad.

The tar oil will flow, the XL just makes it easier to sell.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
67. I've never understood the case for the Keystone XL pipeline
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:15 AM
Jul 2014

since the Keystone pipeline is a thing that exists and does pipe lots of oil down to Texas without going over any aquifers, for some reason these assholes want to build another pipeline routed over a major aquifer for no apparent reason except to bitch about the "socialist" president who is "anti business" apparently.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. Yay, so the whole SE coast is going to look like the Gulf?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jul 2014

The Gulf is nasty with wells belching fire into the night and now this is what we have to look forward to, yippie?


Oh, and for those who think that he's not going to allow the KXL pipeline to go through...... uh huh, I've a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
6. That's all he's been.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jul 2014

I would imagine it's easy legislation to get through with state of congress. It's like we have no brains and can't see for ourselves what's going on. Maybe we don't have a clue what's going on behind the scenes, but what I'm seeing is obvious and pretty awful.



Is there anyone in the cabinet unaware of how the Germans are doing it? We elect them and pay their salaries to represent us, I say we're being robbed plain as day.

-p

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,528 posts)
9. His behavior is outrageous.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jul 2014

I am beyond disappointed. You are so right about where his heart belongs.



K&R

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. all for 236 days worth of oil and 18+ months of natural gas
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:30 PM
Jul 2014

They think they'll get 4.72 billion barrels of oil. And the US uses something like 20 million barrels/day.
http://maps.unomaha.edu/peterson/funda/sidebar/oilconsumption.html

So we're going to risk destroying the entire east coast from Florida to Maine. For 236 days worth of oil.

Oh wait, and they'll also get 37.51 trillion cubic ft of nat gas, and the US uses over 24 trillion feet per year. http://www.worldwatch.org/global-natural-gas-consumption-regains-momentum-0

So we'll get enough natural gas for over 18 months!!!!!



joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
14. LOL, his heart belongs to America's energy independent future.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jul 2014

Which has been worked on by thousands of people in government.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
53. What's next? Strip mining "clean" coal?
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:08 AM
Jul 2014

Please. Energy independent at what cost? Our drinking water? Our forests? We could just burn wood after all. National parks have lots of free wood.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
54. Yup.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:12 AM
Jul 2014

The roadmap is pretty clear. "Exhaust all resources while building renewables."

It's the "market strategy." As opposed to a grand bargain.

It's one reason I disagree with Al Gore's "green capitalism" approach (offsets, ugh, cap and trade, ugh ugh).

But that's unfortunately the trajectory.

And yes, I think Obama earnestly believes it's the correct course of action. And to be frank he doesn't have the political capital to make a grand bargain.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
17. that's been apparent for some time now
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jul 2014

I've long thought he might do more to keep that blemish off of his legacy, but am afrain it ain't gonna happen.

http://desmog.ca/2014/07/18/u-s-joins-canada-and-oil-industry-lobbying-offensive-keep-europe-open-oilsands

He'll be just one of many actors that history will surely judge harshly otherwise.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/07/16/3460540/collapse-of-western-civilization-oreskes-conway/

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
24. A continuation of every wrong policy for the last 3 decades.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jul 2014

That's what Clinton will bring.

Medical, taxation, environment, economy, war etc.... It will all be continued and intensified.

Sure, a Republican will be worse, but it's by a matter of increments, tiny at that.

 

supercats

(429 posts)
69. Agreed And Well Said.....
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jul 2014

Thats why I will not vote for Hillary. We need REAL (positive) change in America. We need a game changer, not someone who will continue along this 3 decades old path. I would hope it to be Elizabeth Warren. I agree with her, but when wall street and big oil dangle that carrot will she grab it like all the other presidents since Nixon have (except Carter)???

flvegan

(64,406 posts)
23. Anyone who is surprised, stopped paying attention long ago.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jul 2014

They all are. Every single one of them they'll trot out for us to "choose" to lead this country will be beholden to monetary interests. THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT. Get over it.

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
27. If I understand correctly, we are now much less dependent on foreign oil, which means...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jul 2014

....that if we send Obama a Congress who will work with him and if the next POTUS is a Dem, we can use the breathing space to implement alternative energy plans at a great pace. That seems to make a lot of sense.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
29. He had a congress to work with in 2009-2010
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jul 2014

We got the complete corporatization of health care, forever. Your premise has been proven false.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
71. So when you say, "Congress that will work with him", what do you mean? 65 (D) senators?
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:19 PM
Jul 2014

70? 90?

Face it - if 60 wasn't enough, he really didn't want to change anything. And his DINO agenda has decimated the party.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
31. "If I understand correctly, we are now much less dependent on foreign oil"
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jul 2014

That's why gas is $4.30 a gallon.

Excellent!

We're all paying more to destroy our planet. Yay.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
36. OPEP sets the price of crude, and profiteering speculators speculate on it to cash in on it
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:44 PM
Jul 2014

You're lucky it's not higher than that like it is everywhere else (taxed like you have no idea)

Township75

(3,535 posts)
33. What?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jul 2014

Please elaborate? How is it that it is easier to get off fossil fuels when it will cost us jobs as opposed to foreign jobs?

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
75. So nobody can even look at alternative without Congress approving it?
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:51 PM
Jul 2014

That's amazing. Because I seem to remember, about two weeks ago, everyone cheering when the Department of Energy approved the first step in a loan guarantee to Cape Wind Farm. http://energy.gov/articles/energy-department-offers-conditional-commitment-cape-wind-offshore-wind-generation-projec-0

Well, you just wait until the Rethugs figure out how to stop that, or something.

Just because Cape Wind has already signed agreements in which the National Grid will be buying at least half of the energy is no reason to think that there can be any movement away from Drill baby Drill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Wind

I guess we need the oil drilling to make sure our gas guzzling cars are able to move. Obviously no progress is being made on fuel economy, or alternative energy issues. http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/concept-cars/vw-reveals-new-300mpg-coupe

Damn it. Um, perhaps we have to drill because. Well perhaps we need to go hog wild with the drilling because...

Um. Yeah. It's all the Republicans fault. Or something. It couldn't be that we have a weak Individual in the White House who is scrambling trying to get more people to approve of him? No, it couldn't be that. http://www.api.org/news-and-media/news/newsitems/2013/oct-2013/poll-shows-florida-voters-strongly-support-offshore-drilling

Ok, maybe it is that. Maybe this announcement is a desperate attempt by a guy who's trying to get popular again. Like a high school boy who runs to his friends to swear he just got laid by one of the cheerleaders.

I say that because there is no other possible reason for it. We are using less oil. That fact is undeniable, so there is no dramatic increase in usage to justify the drill baby drill mentality. Oil Prices are steady and well below the record highs of a while ago. The public is not screaming about gasoline prices.

Fracking is about as popular as Congress around the nation. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/california-fracking-poll_n_3415925.html

So I don't see the real strategic advantage in a sense of you know, need. So what is left? Public Opinion. The President is pandering, sucking up in a desperate effort to get his approval numbers up. Neither he nor the party care if they shit on the Liberals, we smile and say happy to vote for you, when do you need me to volunteer to man the phones to beg people to vote for you? Can I give you a donation now? Or would it be better to wait until next week?

President Obama is running around trying to gin up his Approval numbers. Nothing else makes sense. He's been below 50% for so long that the bet every week isn't if he'll be below 50%, but how far below. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Now, you can blame the Republicans, but the facts are that progress is being made on alternative energy despite the gridlock. You can blame anything, or anyone you want. But one man went out and gave the speech. One man went out and outlined the policy. The same one man who had the power to veto the PATRIOT ACT. The same one man who could order the NSA to shut down the illegal surveillance in a single sentence. Somebody else posted that President Obama was a disappointment, but at least we already know that Hillary is a corporatist. He's the thing. I don't think Hillary would be doing these things. Oh she would not be the Liberal Dream in the Oval Office, make no mistake about that. But she wouldn't be doing this.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
28. And the Race To The Bottom president, instead of the education president
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:58 PM
Jul 2014

the most corporate president in history.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
39. He tried?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jul 2014

So who held a gun to his head and forced him to cave in? Did the Republicans in Congress offer to give in on funding schools if President Obama caved? Was this part of some larger deal that we haven't seen yet? Perhaps Bonehead won't sue if the President fires up the black and decker planet wrecker drilling platform?

He tried. Trying is when you veto something and the Congress passes it over your objections. Trying is when you are ordered to do so by the courts. Tried is when you gave it some effort and lost. Tried is not when without some significant pressure to do so, like public pressure in response to high gas prices. Nope, there hasn't been much of that, any really. Just out of the clear blue sky. A lightning bolt.

Response to cali (Original post)

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
52. Oceana Says 730,000 jobs in blast zone at risk.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014
http://oceana.org/en/news-media/press-center/press-releases/obama-admin-clears-way-for-dynamite-like-blasts-to-search-for-oil-gas-off-east-coast-igno?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seismic
The use of seismic airguns is the first step to expanding dirty and dangerous offshore drilling to the Atlantic Ocean, bringing us one step closer to another disaster like the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill. During this process, our government will jeopardize the health of large numbers of dolphins and whales as well as commercial and recreational fisheries, tourism and coastal recreation – putting more than 730,000 jobs in the blast zone at risk.

According to the government’s own estimates, these dynamite-like blasts could injure and possibly kill up to 138,200 marine mammals, while disrupting the necessary activities of millions more. Impacts to marine mammals could include everything from temporary or permanent hearing loss, to disruption of vital behaviors like communicating, feeding, mating, calving and migrating, and masking of biologically important sounds.

The Obama administration has apparently learned nothing from the destruction that similar testing has caused off the coasts of Namibia, Australia and Madagascar, which resulted in declines in tuna catch, decreased productivity of the scallop fishery and melon-headed whales being scared into a shallow lagoon where they later died. They seem to be ignoring the voices of concern and opposition from more than 50 Members of Congress, over 100 scientists, 16 coastal towns, 78 local elected officials, 163 conservation and animal welfare organizations, and commercial and recreational fishing groups.

Seismic airguns create one of the loudest manmade sounds in the ocean, each 100,000 times more intense than what one would experience if standing near a jet engine. These dynamite-like blasts will occur every 10 seconds, for days to weeks at a time. They are loud enough to kill small organisms like fish eggs and larvae at close ranges and can disrupt the behavior of large animals like whales and dolphins from up to 100 miles away.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/18/1314891/-WTF-Obama-opens-East-Coast-to-oil-search

Impacts include temporary and permanent hearing loss, abandonment of habitat, disruption of mating and feeding, and even beach strandings and death. For whales and dolphins, which rely on their hearing to find food, communicate, and reproduce, being able to hear is a life or death matter.

Airgun blasts kill fish eggs and larvae and scare away fish from important habitats. Following seismic surveys catch rates of cod and haddock declined by 40 to 80 percent for thousands of miles.
 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
60. I used to think he caved too easily
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 08:32 AM
Jul 2014

on important issues. Now I see it was the plan all along.

Thanks for this, cali. We need transparency in government, even if we are the ones who have to provide it.

K&R

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
61. US is now the biggest oil producer
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 09:47 AM
Jul 2014

We have overtaken Saudi Arabia. Much of it is happening in SE New Mexico, West Texas, and North Dakota - extracting oil from shale by fracking. I live in a small town near Mountainair, NM & we are fighting Kinder Morgan bringing a CO2 pipeline through our land going to the Permian Basin. CO2 is heavier than air and if there is a large rupture in the pipeline we are doomed (axphyxiated).

Next, we are going to ruin our land and water even more to export the damn oil. Me - I have a passive solar house and solar panels for electricity.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-04/u-s-seen-as-biggest-oil-producer-after-overtaking-saudi.html

kentuck

(111,053 posts)
65. Well, he's got to make a living after he is out of office...
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jul 2014

He will need a lot of money to compete with the tax-free Clinton Initiative..

d_b

(7,462 posts)
68. We had high hopes for the guy - we believed in him
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jul 2014

and he turned out to be a fraud. That's not our fault. At least we know Hillary is a vampire, so no sting of betrayal there.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
73. I viewed this post expecting, well, exactly what I got;
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jul 2014

An opportunity to see how many posters I have on ignore.

I do agree with the premise that President Obama's energy policies are pretty crappy, from a Progressive's point of view.

But all the love (read hate) here is pretty amazing.

BTW, I stopped counting at 10 the number of 'ignores' I counted.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
85. I'll do you one more! He agreed to a fraudulent 20 billion BP Gulf oil spill deal except
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jul 2014

BP never had to put the 20 billion in, they stopped at 7! He gave the U.S. Coast guard to do BP's bidding and spray Corexit all over the Gulf to hide their oil on the bottom and then agree with BP that it just disappeared. He hasn't been back or mentioned it again. It served its purpose to get the media to move on. He sold us out, pure and simple!

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