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Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:34 AM Jul 2014

Idiot Gov. Rick Perry sends national guard to Texas border

In one of the stupidest moves, from one of the stupidest politicians in the country, Rick Perry has called out the Texas national guard to "guard" the Mexican border.

They can't shoot the children coming across and they can't arrest them. It is nothing more than a political stunt to make the Perry look macho.

Most importantly, however, is that I hope they have not been given ammunition for their rifles. That would greatly increase the risk of one or more children being shot by some overly zealous imbecile.

Rachel Maddow covered the story last night. Here's the link.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rick-perrys-operation-strong-safety

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Idiot Gov. Rick Perry sends national guard to Texas border (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2014 OP
Are their guns loaded with live ammo? randys1 Jul 2014 #1
I don't know if they have live ammo Cyrano Jul 2014 #2
Perry would win more support if he started a shooting war with Obama's military randys1 Jul 2014 #3
And many of them love hatred for hatred itself. That to me has become more and more RKP5637 Jul 2014 #6
That is it, hate for hate sake...Reminds me of the Gay hate, from preachers randys1 Jul 2014 #8
Yep! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #10
They have a sexual hate fetish. They spend their lives preoccupied with sexual hatred, RKP5637 Jul 2014 #30
That's less than one soldier per mile. Just politics and not useful.... Sancho Jul 2014 #4
+1, n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #7
Can you see Rick Perry in a position to make a big decision concerning the rest of the world? Thinkingabout Jul 2014 #5
Maybe even worse than McCain, if that is possible randys1 Jul 2014 #9
... but his new glasses make him so intelligent! RKP5637 Jul 2014 #11
I got a look-alike pair from Dollar Tree a while back Zambero Jul 2014 #26
Yep, some things in life are just constants! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #29
Imagine a "President" Rick Perry with Cyrano Jul 2014 #15
Let's see, I think there are three. Which one should I nuke today..?? Zambero Jul 2014 #33
Perry is stupid and unstable enough to order the killing of the immigrants. It would make AlinPA Jul 2014 #12
Such an order would make him a war criminal Cyrano Jul 2014 #17
I come in contact with a lot of right-wing knuckle-draggers. They would tolerate it and applaud it. AlinPA Jul 2014 #21
Scary Cyrano Jul 2014 #22
Well, YarnAddict Jul 2014 #13
I didn't refer to the NG as "imbeciles." Cyrano Jul 2014 #16
I Hope Some Cable News Network Will Go Down To Texas And Film The Guard At The Border..... global1 Jul 2014 #14
The people of Texas aren't paying for this gratuitous Jul 2014 #20
They've asked the Federal Govt. to pay for it, but Cyrano Jul 2014 #23
He demanded the Feds pay for it, too. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #18
Another day, another weak-ass Republican flailing about... Orsino Jul 2014 #19
I really want to see photos of them "protecting" us from little kids... CTyankee Jul 2014 #24
There must be some sort of Rules of Engagement Hugabear Jul 2014 #25
Kent State University comes to mind where, Cyrano Jul 2014 #27
My fears exactly Hugabear Jul 2014 #28
I'm curious...where do you live? nt clarice Jul 2014 #31
He's all about the visuals - new glasses and the nat'l guard... polichick Jul 2014 #32

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Are their guns loaded with live ammo?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jul 2014

WE know perry is stupid and ambitious and the same guy who actually wanted to do the right thing for immigration at one point

This bold move (stupid actually) will make him more popular with those who would vote for him anyway, and less popular with the 70% of americans who think he is a moron

But I give up on the american people having and using a brain, the chance that ONE republican can get elected in nov is bad enough, but i hear more than that will actually win...boy are we broken or what

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. Perry would win more support if he started a shooting war with Obama's military
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:42 AM
Jul 2014

I have been telling everyone for 5 yrs that we are at war with people who viciously hate America...

You see, they hate THIS America

the one with a Brown President and growing Latino population

the America they love is white

I deal with actual rightwing hate everyday in my personal life, they hate the Brown prez and they hate anyone who supports the Brown president

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
6. And many of them love hatred for hatred itself. That to me has become more and more
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jul 2014

evident year after year. We have a strong core in this country that just has to have someone to hate. And many mask their pure hatred with religion, that giving them a cover to practice their hateful ideologies against whomever they choose, oh, in the game of god, Jesus, the bible and all of that bullshit they use for cover and to suck in the unsuspecting.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
8. That is it, hate for hate sake...Reminds me of the Gay hate, from preachers
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:55 AM
Jul 2014

who say "we love the sinner and hate the sin"

while they say it, you can feel the hate oozing out of them for the sinner

now I dont consider being Gay a sin, in fact there is no such thing as sin as there is no such thing as god, but you know what i mean

hate, yep...it is what makes their ticks tock

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
30. They have a sexual hate fetish. They spend their lives preoccupied with sexual hatred,
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jul 2014

singling out those for persecution. It is, a sexual sadistic hate fetish. I find it strange some spend their lives preoccupied with others genitals and behavior. They are sexual perverts with a hate fetish!

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
4. That's less than one soldier per mile. Just politics and not useful....
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jul 2014

from my life in Florida, it's clear that "enforcing the boarder" is a minor issue. We don't have a boarder here, and it doesn't even slow down the boats on the beach!

There are many, many people here who come in on a visa of some kind and stay. The boarder issue is a red herring.

It's way past time to simply figure out a way to make them tax-paying citizens. Almost every contractor, farm, hotel, and restaurant here employees the undocumented without paying SSI or anything else. Florida would collapse if we didn't have these folks working here.



Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Can you see Rick Perry in a position to make a big decision concerning the rest of the world?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jul 2014

It sure isn't being macho, it is knee jerk stupid.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
26. I got a look-alike pair from Dollar Tree a while back
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jul 2014

Reading glasses. I don't seem to feel any smarter when wearing them however. On the other hand, regardless of what he might do, Perry couldn't possibly get any dumber, or any smarter for that matter!

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
15. Imagine a "President" Rick Perry with
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jul 2014

the nuclear codes nearby. Russia and China would probably go on full alert and stay there.

On a related topic, there's a story that during Nixon's final days, White House Chief of Staff, Alexander Hague, told the Pentagon to check with him before following any orders from Nixon. He feared that Nixon was totally unhinged.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
12. Perry is stupid and unstable enough to order the killing of the immigrants. It would make
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jul 2014

him the hero of the GOP base.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
17. Such an order would make him a war criminal
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:23 AM
Jul 2014

I find it hard to believe that even the stupidest wingnut would tolerate armed soldiers shooting down children.

Then again ...

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
21. I come in contact with a lot of right-wing knuckle-draggers. They would tolerate it and applaud it.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jul 2014
 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
13. Well,
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jul 2014

I heard that border patrol agents were fired on by "high-caliber" weapons. Looked for a link, but could only find Fox News and other RW sites, so don't know if that's true or not. If it is, the NG may have been called out to protect the border patrol from the cartels.

Second, you really shouldn't refer to NG as "imbeciles." Most of them joined in order to be available to help their local communities in emergency situations. Unfair to label them "imbeciles," IMHO.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
16. I didn't refer to the NG as "imbeciles."
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:08 AM
Jul 2014

What I said was that "... some overly zealous imbecile ..." My guess is that there's probably about 1,000 guardsmen that have been called up. You don't think that one or more of them could fit my description?

global1

(25,226 posts)
14. I Hope Some Cable News Network Will Go Down To Texas And Film The Guard At The Border.....
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jul 2014

What would they see? These soldiers will just be standing around not really being there for any useful purpose but to feed the ego of Perry.

Hopefully - the people of Texas would realize the big waste of their tax dollars for this stunt.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. The people of Texas aren't paying for this
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:30 AM
Jul 2014

Well, except from their share of federal tax revenues. Gov. Perry is going to ask all of us to foot the bill for his grandstand stunt:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/perry-federal-government-reimburse-national-guard

Isn't that nice?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. Another day, another weak-ass Republican flailing about...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:29 AM
Jul 2014

...in an effort to apoear strong. Apparently, Perry still thinks he might be president someday.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
24. I really want to see photos of them "protecting" us from little kids...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jul 2014

it will do great damage to our image around the world...

bullying children...digraceful...

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
25. There must be some sort of Rules of Engagement
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jul 2014

Every military operation has some sort of Rules of Engagement, which spell out whether or not they can carry loaded weapons, how they are allowed to react to various situations, and what are their rules for self-defense.

I'd be very curious to see what their ROE's are.

Cyrano

(15,027 posts)
27. Kent State University comes to mind where,
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jul 2014

in 1970, the Ohio National Guard opened fire on students who were demonstrating against the Vietnam War. Four students were killed and nine were wounded. There was outrage from normal people and cheers from many conservatives led by the seemingly approving attitude of Nixon's White House. (It's all on Google.)

Given that we're talking about Texas and Perry, what could possibly go wrong?

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
28. My fears exactly
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jul 2014

Hopefully the National Guard commanders have some sort of restraint. My hope is that they see all of this as bullshit, taking them away from their normal training.

Of course, if their commanders are as right-wing and ambitious as Perry, then who knows.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
32. He's all about the visuals - new glasses and the nat'l guard...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jul 2014

Ye-haw! The winning combo for a presidential run.

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