Why does the far-right support Israel? CWA give an honest answer, for once.

[Archae]

They have that "endtimes" fantasy where Jews are going to convert en masse to Christianity or die.
According to some "endtimes" preachers, only 144,000 Jews will convert, the rest will be killed.
Hitler would be so proud.

CWA Urges Support For Israel So Jews Can Be Converted To Christianity

Submitted by Miranda Blue on Tuesday, 7/22/2014 10:48 am

In a blog post last week, Concerned Women for America reminded us of one ever-present subtext in the Christian Right’s focus on support for Israel.

Christian Zionists believe that biblical prophecy requires Jews to converge in Israel to pave way for the Second Coming, at which time Jews will be converted to Christianity or die. There are, of course, other reasons for the Christian Right’s allegiance with Israel, but the ultimate conversion of Jews is a subtext underlying the activism of many within the movement.

Take a recent CWA blog post, for example, about the need for Jews to return to Israel in order for them to ultimately convert to Christianity.

“Not only should we push for strong foreign policy, but we must also be in prayer for our Jewish friends,” CWA writes in a July 18 blog post. “Ultimately, God is eager to bring his people back to Him and to direct their zeal for the law into a zeal for Christ’s already accomplished salvation on the Cross for both Jews and Gentiles alike.”

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cwa-urges-support-israel-so-jews-can-be-converted-christianity#sthash.AvCamnmE.dpuf

[orwell]

1. Christians?...

It's nice to know that Jesus and Hitler had the same "Final Solutions."

And these whack jobs call themselves Christians?

[TexasProgresive]

2. Who are what is CWA?

Surely not my union!?!

[NutmegYankee]

6. Concerned Women for America

A rightwing terrorist group along the lines of the American family Association.

[TexasProgresive]

7. Thank you for clarifying.

Sounds like an organization my Connecticut sister-in-law would join. Don't think I will ask her.

[CincyDem]

3. Isn't there something about Israel has to exist for "End of Days" to work right ? n/t

[Hugabear]

4. It all boils down to religion

The far-right believes that Israel is God's chosen nation, and they don't want to be on the wrong side. Many of them also believe that the Rapture is imminent, that there will be a climatic battle (Armageddon) that will literally be fought in Israel, and that literally every nation on earth will converge in one location to fight against Israel.

[Autumn]

5. I keep hearing that crap from some christians I know.They all have those left behind books

I tried to read one, biggest pile of bull shit I have ever seen. Yes that is the reason Israel gets blind support from so many.

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[Archae]

9. I told one guy who was talking so strongly about this "rapture" coming...

I said to him, "It's been 2000+ years since your prophet died. He AIN'T coming back!"

The guy didn't like that one bit.

[Chathamization]

8. It also feeds into their fantasy of a Western military fighting “the barbarians”.

I assume that was the reason for the support of the apartheid regime as well. Notice how often you hear talk about Israel being the only Western-style democracy in the middle east or whether or not you want to wear a burqa. These are the same people that want a militarized police force that brutalizes minorities. So they get giddy when they see something that looks like that in other countries.

[Populist_Prole]

38. That seems to be the common thread with right wingers I know

Not in a technocrat or wonkish way, and not really religion based either. Rather, they view it as some stalwart, pugnacious, trigger happy little America in the mideast that keeps kicking the asses of filthy evil brown people.

That is one corner of the triad of neocon thought.

[Arugula Latte]

10. Hey, it all makes perfect sense...

How else is a dead carpenter from ancient Judea going to come back to Earth to save those who believe in his magical powers, huh? I mean, come on, Bronze Age mythology is nothing but 100 percent logical.

[TheKentuckian]

11. There are several reasons the folks who were trying to work deals with Hitler, many

of whom hate Jews more than blacks who they have and would terrorize and murder as social activities got boxed into such a thing, all delusional.

One of which is mentioned but the far right is far from exclusively end times loonies, I'd say not even near the majority but rather a boisterous minority of the regressives, pitiful tools used for energy and votes. AKA the rubes.

I think there is something for everyone in the madhouse.

The neocons get a beachhead, a ready excuse for shenanigans, and an ATM for moving hardware.

The vulture class gets an instability factor to price into certain commodities, the military traffic, another avenue to get wish lists attached to legislation in exchange for "friendship", and de facto increased security for trade lanes.

Anti - government zealots get dissension from all sides, a little pig shrinking, and increased avenues of capture from special interests.

No doubt the end timer are "getting their's" but for most of the opposition that shit is a prop, their god is Mamaan and he ain't been off the set for a second and if he is not their most high then it is petty avarice for power fueled by fear and shallow but white hot hate.

[appal_jack]

25. Excellent response, Kentuckian, but not the whole picture.

You offer an excellent response, Kentuckian, but not the whole picture. I agree that the truly powerful on the right wing view Israel as their beach head, and that the end-times prophesies are mere red meat for the useful rubes who keep voting them in here in the US.

However, there are also those regular Israelis who just want to live without rockets raining down upon them. They (or their ancestors) were told to move to Israel in the aftermath of one of the more horrible attempts at genocide in recent human history. Yes, some Palestinians were living there, but by 1948 there were not many truly unoccupied regions of the globe. Judea/Palestine/Israel was certainly among the least densely populated back then, and it was also a promised homeland in Jewish texts. Of course, it happens to also be a promised homeland in Islamic texts. As my kid sister used to say: aaawwwwwwkkkwwaaaarrrrd.

These regular Israelis just want to live in the home that was given them by the UN. Many regular Americans (myself included - not a Jew by ancestry or culture or religion, but with many Jewish friends) support them up to and including whatever it takes to prevent existential threats to Israel.

I also support self determination and dignity for Palestinians. Do I have a bright idea about what solution would provide both? Not really. The Clinton Peace Plan of 2000 seemed very fair to this American outsider, for both Israelis and Palestinians. But Arafat walked away from the table and demanded more. Color me unimpressed:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

100% of Gaza and 92% of the West Bank, plus sacred sites such as the Al Aqsa Mosque were on the table; all the Palestinians had to do was say yes and do their part to work for peace. Israel also offered monetary compensation in lieu of a right of return to lands within Israel. Instead, Arafat and the PLO held out for more. Their loss.

-app

[TheKentuckian]

30. I don't disagree with what you said other than I don't believe such considerations

are really why the American Reich Wing supports Israel, I don't think they give a shit about the people or the history. Your piece of the picture is more descriptive of why moderate and left wing Americans support Israel.

Completely valid but not a "why" for the regressives, which was the subject.

[appal_jack]

36. Indeed. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Indeed. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

On my end, I was in no way trying to rationalize anything about the CWA. I rarely find myself on the same side as them regarding any political issue.

I only raised the matter to discuss that there are other rational reasons for supporting Israel besides the batshit-crazy-rw ones.



-app

[geek tragedy]

12. Yet Israel's government embraces them and celebrates them, nt

[kelliekat44]

15. Israel uses them for its purposes in the US. nt

[Exultant Democracy]

13. They also share the same war boner for killing brown folk

Religion and racism working together to trick the stupid ass Americans into making the evil ass Americans richer.

[clarice]

14. Or conversely.......

Why does the "far left" continually support Islam/Middle Eastern nations...in spite
of their horrendous persecution of Women?

[Iggo]

16. AND conversely...

[clarice]

17. Iggo...are you correcting my lousy grammar? LOL. nt

[Iggo]

18. Well, yeah I guess.

But I wasn't specifically targeting you.

I've just been having fun lately substituting and for or and seeing what happens to the meaning.

[clarice]

19. There IS a distinction between the two.......

I have been graciously corrected. felt good. lol

[clarice]

20. It IS interesting though....

No replies to my post. I wonder why?

[RandiFan1290]

21. Because you are trying to hijack a thread with rw bullshit?

[clarice]

22. That doesn't exactly answer my question....please stay on task. nt

[clarice]

23. And by the way....

Are you saying that only "right wingers" care about women's rights? Do you believe in supporting a country
that has a theocracy that condones abusing women? Are you anti-women's rights? shameful.

[clarice]

24. waiting. nt

[Kingofalldems]

33. Waiting for clear evidence of your accusation.

[clarice]

37. dismissed x 2. nt

[Kingofalldems]

39. Still waiting.

[Kingofalldems]

40. So actually you have no evidence.

So it didn't happen.

[RussBLib]

28. I reject your premise

I consider myself "far left" and an atheist to boot. I certainly don't support Islam/Middle Eastern nations, in part because of their horrendous persecution of women and in part because of their obvious religious insanity.

[clarice]

29. Then we agree. nt

[Kingofalldems]

32. Please provide evidence of your assertion.

Who are you talking about? DU? What?

[Zambero]

26. The Final Final X-tian Zionist Solution

Converted or dead. No more Jews. In the meantime, keep Israel around until that happens, and get those Jews over there in a hurry!

[betterdemsonly]

27. It isn't just the far right

We have a democratic President and Senate, and they all give knee jerk support to Israel.

[EX500rider]

31. CNN Poll: Majority of Americans side with Israel in Gaza fighting

Seems it's not just far-right support.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/21/cnn-poll-americans-clearly-side-with-israel-in-gaza-fighting/

[Archae]

34. Could be because anti-Israel people are just SOOOOO good and noble...

Seriously, Hamas goes out of their way to be obnoxious, murderous, and as radical as they can be.

[Roy Serohz]

35. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus!