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Israel is flattening neighborhoods (Original Post) malaise Jul 2014 OP
Won't happen NightWatcher Jul 2014 #1
I think you are spot on in your analysis. Skidmore Jul 2014 #4
My thoughts exactly. n/t woodsprite Jul 2014 #51
agreed defacto7 Jul 2014 #87
They will stop when nothing mylye2222 Jul 2014 #2
Then they will build settlements malaise Jul 2014 #3
I think this is what they intend. Skidmore Jul 2014 #5
Same here malaise Jul 2014 #6
*** L0oniX Jul 2014 #42
Then they'll declare the land the spoils of war Bettie Jul 2014 #8
This ^^^^^^^ treestar Jul 2014 #10
I've always wondered if anyone even gave any thought to the fact that people lived there Bettie Jul 2014 #11
If Judaism is 3000 years old. And several Palestinian families have been farming LiberalArkie Jul 2014 #35
And yet, all we hear is that the land belongs to the Israelis Bettie Jul 2014 #47
Yep, the God of Abraham Promised them the land. dballance Jul 2014 #102
Yes, how does one defend themselves against the huge Skidmore Jul 2014 #12
I'm just happy to see the DU isn't monolitically in support of Isreal Bettie Jul 2014 #16
Cheaper to knock down building with bombs that wrecking balls... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #90
Maybe the House of Saud can use weapons we sold them against the assholes snooper2 Jul 2014 #21
The "House of Saud" is busy supplying ISIS with fighters and other support /nt Dragonfli Jul 2014 #22
Harry Reid: Israel may need more aid. woo me with science Jul 2014 #7
I just sent a message to his Skidmore Jul 2014 #13
Heartbreaking and the complicity is inexcusable. We will be paying for the rebuild too, not Bibi. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #31
Almost looks like Detroit. L0oniX Jul 2014 #41
Because it's neither Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #9
NO it's a benign malaise Jul 2014 #14
"NO it's a benign" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #29
If they want to wage war Aerows Jul 2014 #37
Lets get selective, shall we? countryjake Jul 2014 #66
Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their "government officials" are criminals of the worst order. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #68
Two year olds Aerows Jul 2014 #73
Were the Israeli children DELIBERATELY targeted by Hamas a threat to Hamas? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #93
Link, please? Orrex Jul 2014 #99
So a Peace with that Palestinian unity government, even concessions ... countryjake Jul 2014 #74
I wonder what the numbers would look like if Hamas had free rein in Israel. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #92
Sorry, do you mean the freedom to actually leave the prison that is Gaza? countryjake Jul 2014 #109
Israeli picnic goers don't give a shit about rockets eridani Jul 2014 #111
No, Hamas has never recognized Israel and never will. former9thward Jul 2014 #84
and you can read the details of that agreement at the Jerusalem Post... countryjake Jul 2014 #85
Stop lying about Arafat eridani Jul 2014 #110
This shit is breaking my heart. panader0 Jul 2014 #15
Hamas should stop shooting rockets at Israel. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #17
Did she say anything about the addresses of the bombs? malaise Jul 2014 #18
If we could see the shells after any of these bombings locks Jul 2014 #23
Israel should stop stealing land, and start giving it back. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #26
That simple malaise Jul 2014 #27
They did. This is the result. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #49
That's the truth MrNJ Jul 2014 #56
Israel has never ended the occupation cpwm17 Jul 2014 #65
Not even a passing resemblance to reality. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #70
Perhaps in your universe n/t cpwm17 Jul 2014 #71
Not even a passing resemblance to reality <-- ie anything posted by Fozzledick. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #78
How about an actual rebuttal? Hugabear Jul 2014 #98
Are those bombs addressed to innocent children??? Avalux Jul 2014 #45
They're addressed to rocket launchers, but Hamas sends children to receive them. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #50
Speaking of making excuses for obscenely cynical policies... Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #52
Please proceed. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #53
Is that you, Netanyahu?? Avalux Jul 2014 #54
Oh look BlindTiresias Jul 2014 #57
You're just slapping your knees and guffawing this whole time, aren't you? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #88
Know what I think? atreides1 Jul 2014 #101
... and the Pentagon is bankrolling it. The poor Israeli govt needs more "emergency" (sic) funds. kysrsoze Jul 2014 #19
How else to test the new weapons malaise Jul 2014 #20
Sad to say, I believe that is the singular motivation behind the support Dragonfli Jul 2014 #24
The Airstrikes are almost continous Marrah_G Jul 2014 #25
Terror bombings, and when they go back to see the destruction, the hope is they'll Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #58
All it does is make them hate Israel more Marrah_G Jul 2014 #62
war crimes. flat out. KG Jul 2014 #28
This is disgusting. Israel will not stop until all of Gaza is back under their rule. Pisces Jul 2014 #30
Israel controls all ins and outs. Avalux Jul 2014 #44
This so reminds me of what the US did to Native Americans in the 19th century Larkspur Jul 2014 #32
Well this has been the model for millennia malaise Jul 2014 #33
Yep, just more status quo from the human race. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #55
Yes indeed malaise Jul 2014 #69
To avoid being exterminated would be a pretty good reason for me. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #72
"To avoid being exterminated"...your words U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #75
Israel of course Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #76
Hamas isn't "exterminating" anybody....Israel is U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #79
I never alluded to Hamas exterminating anyone. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #81
Do you think Israel is in the right by exterminating (your words) the Palestinians in Gaza? U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #82
Israel is unequivocally wrong Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #83
Good to know. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #86
This ^ this ^ this ^ 2banon Jul 2014 #64
Israel has completely destroyed 5,000 Gaza homes, damaged 26,000 Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #34
You missed the UN "safe" centers, flying the UN flag ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2014 #36
True but they don't care malaise Jul 2014 #38
And Harry Reid wants to give them more aid. Any extra aid should go to rebuild these infastructure jwirr Jul 2014 #39
Seems that they already know that they won't be stopped by anyone. L0oniX Jul 2014 #40
I can't even watch it anymore. Avalux Jul 2014 #43
It is hard to watch the slaughter of innocents malaise Jul 2014 #61
Really. Slaughter of truth is as bad as slaughter of innocents? HERVEPA Jul 2014 #103
They're happening simultaneously malaise Jul 2014 #104
Non-responsive. Do you think one is as bad as the other? That's what you said. Can you answer? HERVEPA Jul 2014 #108
Every country in the West and East not attacked by Jihadi terrorists should step forward right now! ieoeja Jul 2014 #46
Hamas is fighting a war of national liberation. That's quite different from the ISIS types. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #59
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #63
"Israel could carpet bomb the remaining areas under Palestinian Arab control cpwm17 Jul 2014 #67
That is some disgusting shit you posted. U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #77
Of course he's proud n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #89
i am sure that is a common feeling amongst that bunch. m-lekktor Jul 2014 #94
Hamas is fighting a holy war, would love to destroy all the Jews, HERVEPA Jul 2014 #106
Hamas are crass amateurs compared to Israel in killing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #48
the civilian children Israel's bombing seen to be much, much worse at it bigtree Jul 2014 #60
Israel is a terrorist state. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #80
They Don't Care - Another UN school hit - 19 dead, 90 injured malaise Jul 2014 #91
Breaking news: Israel has asked for USA to resupply weapons & ammo countryjake Jul 2014 #95
I just thought of something this morning as I was driving into town. Skidmore Jul 2014 #96
Thank you Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2014 #100
Obama gave a speech, and Kerry is in the ME NM_Birder Jul 2014 #97
It's the "Dahiya Doctrine" in action. GliderGuider Jul 2014 #105
Must be secret policy malaise Jul 2014 #107

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
1. Won't happen
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:23 AM
Jul 2014

1. Too much guilt from the 1940's still lingering.
2. Too many "religious" people here think we must support Israel because Revelations tells them Jesus is from Israel and end times (or something like that, they aren't really sure).
3. Too much fear of AIPAC and other groups/supporters.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
87. agreed
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:41 AM
Jul 2014

Save us all from the Dominionists in our government. They want war, they want to "bring on" the second coming of Christ. Since the end times haven't come in the 2000 years Christianity has expected it, the Dominionists will make one themselves. That's what Bush Jr. pushed.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. I think this is what they intend.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:02 AM
Jul 2014

Razing Gaza allows them to come in and build from the ground while displacing the Palestinean survivors. I can honestly say that Israel has lost every last shred of respect I had remaining for them. This is the most reprehensible and immoral action we have seen in a while. It is right up there with some of the ugliest acts of genocide that have occurred in my lifetime, deserving of condemnation and sanctions by the world community.

Bettie

(16,086 posts)
8. Then they'll declare the land the spoils of war
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:09 AM
Jul 2014

That they took it because 'they had to' in order to 'protect themselves'.

How does anyone expect displaced people who have had everything stolen from them to react? Do they really expect them to go silently away with a smile and a wave, thanking those who destroyed their families and lives?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. This ^^^^^^^
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jul 2014

It's been like that the whole time. They should have made a deal with the Palestinians in 1948. I've debated with some who said well they are Arabs and the surrounding countries should have taken them. It is like they really did expect to just take the land and have the people there just smile and say, "sure."

Bettie

(16,086 posts)
11. I've always wondered if anyone even gave any thought to the fact that people lived there
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:22 AM
Jul 2014

All I ever hear is "This is Israeli land" and the other countries in the region wanted them gone.

Well, if some people moved into my state and claimed land my friends, neighbors, and relatives had worked and lived on for centuries, I certainly wouldn't welcome them with open arms!

Of course, if the Palestinians were fighting against a government not supported by the US Government, they'd be 'Freedom Fighters", since our government supports Israel, they are 'terrorists'. In reality, they are victims, refugees.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
35. If Judaism is 3000 years old. And several Palestinian families have been farming
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jul 2014

the same land in Palestine for over 5000 years. Now who was there first?

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
102. Yep, the God of Abraham Promised them the land.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jul 2014

That's based on documents that are thousands of years old and mythological in nature.

The courts in the US deny claims by Native Americans to their original homelands at every turn. The courts say they can't "take" those lands from the people who occupy them now. That's a lot less time than the the centuries the Palestinians lived in the lands that are now Israel.

The far right in Israel will not stop their genocide of the Palestinians until they have every square inch of land. They have proven this. It is clearly a pattern.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
12. Yes, how does one defend themselves against the huge
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jul 2014

sense of divine destiny feulling this? How do you protect yourself without having a standing army and from within a prison? The myth that Israel is a benign and beloved state is such a cynical fraud.

Bettie

(16,086 posts)
16. I'm just happy to see the DU isn't monolitically in support of Isreal
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jul 2014

Even some of my very liberal friends turn a blind eye to the death and destruction.

It is good to see that public opinion is turning, albeit slowly.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
90. Cheaper to knock down building with bombs that wrecking balls...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:30 AM
Jul 2014

especially since we are paying for the bombs.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
21. Maybe the House of Saud can use weapons we sold them against the assholes
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jul 2014

Then at least it would be US weapons vs US weapons, little more fair fight

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
13. I just sent a message to his
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:32 AM
Jul 2014

sorry self and asked him to explain why this nation should expend one more dollar to underwrite the massacre of civilians in Gaza and let him know that I objected to any such use of US money. My rep and senator will hear from me too.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
29. "NO it's a benign"
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:51 AM
Jul 2014

Like the benign lovefest of candy-dispensing Qassam rockets, warm hugs from suicide bombers and puppy distribution tunnels.

And while you bellyache about "genocide" Israel was prepared to enter into a two-state solution with defined borders for both parties which Arafat rejected to President Clinton's bewilderment. Hamas, meanwhile, has the stated goal of the destruction of Israel and the elimination of Jews as a people.

Yours is a very selective morality.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
66. Lets get selective, shall we?
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jul 2014
Hamas, Abbas' PLO announce reconciliation agreement 4/23/2014
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Hamas-Abbass-PLO-announce-reconciliation-agreement-350195#!

Hamas and Fatah announced Wednesday that they have reached a “historic” agreement to end their differences and form a Palestinian unity government.

The announcement came one day after a senior PLO delegation arrived in the Gaza Strip for talks with Hamas leaders on ways of ending the Hamas-Fatah dispute and achieving national reconciliation...


The latest agreement, which was signed at the home of Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh in the Shati refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, states that the two sides would work toward implementing previous accords reached in Qatar and Egypt.

It calls for the establishment of a Palestinian unity government within five weeks. Six months later, the Palestinians would hold long overdue presidential and parliamentary elections.


How the West Chose War in Gaza By Nathan Thrall July 17, 2014
Gaza and Israel: The Road to War, Paved by the West
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/opinion/gaza-and-israel-the-road-to-war-paved-by-the-west.html

Israel immediately sought to undermine the reconciliation agreement by preventing Hamas leaders and Gaza residents from obtaining the two most essential benefits of the deal: the payment of salaries to 43,000 civil servants who worked for the Hamas government and continue to administer Gaza under the new one, and the easing of the suffocating border closures imposed by Israel and Egypt that bar most Gazans’ passage to the outside world.

Yet, in many ways, the reconciliation government could have served Israel’s interests. It offered Hamas’s political adversaries a foothold in Gaza; it was formed without a single Hamas member; it retained the same Ramallah-based prime minister, deputy prime ministers, finance minister and foreign minister; and, most important, it pledged to comply with the three conditions for Western aid long demanded by America and its European allies: nonviolence, adherence to past agreements and recognition of Israel.


Please note that final line, which I've bolded for you.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
68. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their "government officials" are criminals of the worst order.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jul 2014

And despite the bolded passage Hamas still stockpiled (and launched) tens of thousands rockets and dug tunnels to launch additional attacks on Israel.

And while you're shedding tears for the poor beleaguered Hamas, the Egyptians and Saudis are giving Israel back-channel support to quash the allies of Hezbollah as a way to check Iranian influence in the region. Should Israel put its faith in a bunch of savage thugs who have never kept an agreement or should they work with the regional powers that can actually provide them greater recognition and the accompanying security?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
93. Were the Israeli children DELIBERATELY targeted by Hamas a threat to Hamas?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jul 2014

Like the ones having their throats slit.

All this moral indignation about dead children. Those howling should have been cheering the removal of Saddam who had a history of gassing entire villages and when he wasn't gassing he was still leaving behind mass graves. Assuming the Israelis are acting with malice rather than the more likely fact these are "collateral" deaths, they look like pikers compared to Saddam.

But everyone was, "Nothing to see here. Not our business." Now suddenly it's a tragedy that has to be addressed now! The world can't wait! And, no, I'm not endorsing the Iraq war; just noting the flagrant hypocrisy.

And not just the Middle East. People are being slaughtered across the globe since time immemorial with non-combatants bearing the brunt. At least Israel recognizes it has a PR interest to avoid civilians casualties where others are actively seeking to kill non-combatants.

But Hamas has an interest exaggerating and encouraging its own civilian casualties.

Meanwhile, the President himself probably has a similar body count as a percentage of collateral deaths vs. legitimate targets with drone strikes. Where's the chorus demanding impeachment and war crimes prosecution?

"But if we let the GOP impeach Obama that could damage our efforts to secure employer-paid birth control."

And, no, this is not a call for the President's impeachment; just noting the flagrant hypocrisy -- again.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
99. Link, please?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jul 2014
Like the ones having their throats slit.
Please provide a link, because I would like to read more about this. Did it occur during or immediately before the current military action? It's curious that with all of the focus on the murder of the three Israeli teens (immediately and uncritically attributed to Hamas, of course), somehow the news of Israeli children having their throats slit has garnered much less media attention.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
74. So a Peace with that Palestinian unity government, even concessions ...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:10 AM
Jul 2014

made by Hamas such as recognizing Israel and stepping out of their present Gazan leadership position and most importantly, committing to a path of non-violence, which was all agreed to by both Fatah and Hamas on April 23, and signed, sealed, and delivered by the Palestinian Liberation Organization on June 2nd.... none of those humongous positive steps forward by the elected leaders of Palestine were enough to convince the Israeli government that it might finally be time to participate in one-on-one negotiations that could end decades of a harsh oppression?

It's been an insane oppression from which the likes of Hamas had sprung; just look at who supported that bunch back in the early days of Hamas' formation and examine exactly why Israel supported them. Asking Israel to speak directly with any sort of government democratically elected by Palestinians themselves is never to be part of the equation in seeking a lasting peace between Israel and Palestine, that's what Binyamin Netanyahu and his cronies insist. It seems to me that all of those uncompromising right-wingers are leading Israel into a quagmire that can only make living there even more dangerous than it ever has been before.

The Toll in Gaza and Israel, Day by Day
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/toll-israel-gaza-conflict.html?_r=1

Latest totals updated July 29

3,289 targets in Gaza struck by Israel

1,221 Palestinian deaths


2,612 rockets launched at Israel from Gaza

56 Israeli deaths


When I read those tallies every day and watch the toll on civilians climb higher and higher, it becomes harder and harder to distinguish who the terrorists and real criminals might be.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
92. I wonder what the numbers would look like if Hamas had free rein in Israel.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:05 AM
Jul 2014

I wonder how many of those currently putting on airs of moral indignation would be cheering the sight of every Israeli being slaughtered.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
109. Sorry, do you mean the freedom to actually leave the prison that is Gaza?
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:09 AM
Jul 2014

Or were you referring to something else?

So you've no comment on the pact that Gazan leadership, the ever "fearsome" Hamas, signed this spring, agreeing to recognize the state of Israel, promising to adhere to non-violence, and handing-over the reins of power in Gaza to the Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas?

You know, that pesky agreement announced mere weeks before Binyamin Netanyahu's IDF began the raids within the West Bank?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
111. Israeli picnic goers don't give a shit about rockets
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:30 AM
Jul 2014

Why should we?

http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/israelis-cheer-whoop-whistle-bombs-rain-palestinians-gaza/


Israelis watch from hilltop being “entertained” as Palestinian’s in Gaza are bombed by the IDF, Israeli Defense Force

It’s been hard following the horrific Israeli assault on Gaza and then I came across this account from Harriet Sherwood entitled “Israeli’s Gather on Hillsides to Watch and Cheer as Military Drops Bombs on Gaza” published in the ICH, Information Clearing House, July20, 2014. It grabbed my attention.



Also in 2009: Israeli's Picnic On Israel/Gaza Border To view Action.

http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=b3d_1231628428&comments=1&use_old_player=1


countryjake

(8,554 posts)
85. and you can read the details of that agreement at the Jerusalem Post...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:00 AM
Jul 2014

for yourself, then get back to me.

Who could have ever guessed that the JPost published "apologist bs"!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
110. Stop lying about Arafat
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 03:25 AM
Jul 2014

Arafat recognises Jewish state and limit to return of refugees
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/19/israel

Yasser Arafat has told an Israeli newspaper that he recognises Israel's right to remain a Jewish state and is, therefore, prepared to accept the return of only a fraction of the Palestinian refugees.
In an interview with Ha'aretz, published yesterday, the Palestinian leader was asked if he understood that "Israel has to keep being a Jewish state"?

"Definitely," he replied.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
17. Hamas should stop shooting rockets at Israel.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:42 AM
Jul 2014

As Nancy Pelosi says; "Every rocket has a return address".

malaise

(268,885 posts)
18. Did she say anything about the addresses of the bombs?
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jul 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/29/israel-pounds-gaza-after-netanyahu-promises-prolonged-battle
<snip>
Gaza endured a night of relentless bombardment that brought some of the heaviest pounding since the start of the conflict three weeks ago, in the hours after the Israeli political and military leadership warned of a protracted offensive.

Palestinian officials say more than 110 people have been killed in Gaza in the past 24 hours.

Israeli forces targeted key strategic targets, including the home of the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, and a building housing Hamas-controlled broadcast outlets.

Haniyeh's home was hit by a missile shortly before dawn, causing damage but no injuries. Eleven people were killed in a strike on a house in Bureij refugee camp in Gaza City.

locks

(2,012 posts)
23. If we could see the shells after any of these bombings
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:22 AM
Jul 2014

they will probably read: "Made in the USA" or "Made in Russia."

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Israel should stop stealing land, and start giving it back.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jul 2014

I don't actually care what Nancy Pelosi said.

The rockets don't come simply because Palestinians are evil. They're in response to other evils.

A cycle of traded evils, passed back and forth between the RWers in both populations. And bolstered by the people on both sides who place all of the blame on one side or the other.

Until the groups in question accept that they're BOTH perpetuating the violence, it won't stop.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
49. They did. This is the result.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:18 PM
Jul 2014

Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, Hamas responded by boasting of a "victory for violence" and started shooting rockets.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
65. Israel has never ended the occupation
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jul 2014

either in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. After Hamas won the election Israel completely imprisoned the population in the Gaza Strip. Until Israel ends the occupation, Israel has no right to self defense against either an imprisoned population or an occupied population. Israel is the responsible power and also the illegal occupier.

Palestine doesn't have a real country since Israel controls it illegally. That makes Israel, by definition, the aggressor. Israel can't go to war against a people that it controls and have no country. That's imperial arrogance, illegal, and evil.

See, you seem to think Israel doesn't have to face the consequences of its actions no matter how badly it acts, but for some magical reason, a victim of Israel's bad behavior magically gets turned into the bad guy (and legal cannon fodder) if some people (out of the two million captives) strike back. I'm afraid not: that just gives Israel permission for endless atrocities.

Most of the people Israel is massacring are not responsible for the rockets shot back at Israel. The people that are most responsible are in Israel. They are the ones that provoked the rockets. Israel is massacring innocents for a problem of its own making.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
45. Are those bombs addressed to innocent children???
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jul 2014

What a horrible, thoughtless response from Nancy.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
50. They're addressed to rocket launchers, but Hamas sends children to receive them.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:20 PM
Jul 2014

What an obscenely cynical policy to make excuses for.

atreides1

(16,070 posts)
101. Know what I think?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jul 2014

I think that Fozzledick would like to see the complete eradication of the Palestinian people from the borders of Israel!

And that if every man, woman, and child in Gaza were to die...he would justify that by placing the blame on Hamas, as he has done many times already.

But he lacks the courage to come out and say what he means!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
24. Sad to say, I believe that is the singular motivation behind the support
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:22 AM
Jul 2014

It always comes down to follow the money, the rest is just a smoke screen. It is profitable to those that bankroll the politicians, so the politicians do as commanded by those that bankroll them.

I don't think the people or the politics of the region are even a consideration behind closed doors, perhaps I have simply grown too cynical

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
58. Terror bombings, and when they go back to see the destruction, the hope is they'll
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jul 2014

blame Hamas exclusively, or at least enough to disavow themselves from the group.

Crazy shit plan...all to avoid a unity government.

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
30. This is disgusting. Israel will not stop until all of Gaza is back under their rule.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

The world is watching and nothing is happening to save the people. Where are the evacuation efforts????

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
44. Israel controls all ins and outs.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jul 2014

There is no evacuation because they won't allow it; supplies aren't even getting in.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
32. This so reminds me of what the US did to Native Americans in the 19th century
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jul 2014

Steal their land and slaughter those that resist and their kith and kin.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
33. Well this has been the model for millennia
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jul 2014

exterminate, loot and plunder while claiming to be the civilized of the earth and shroud it all in religious bullshit.

And don't forget to blame the victims and call them barbarians or terrorists if they dare resist.

Tetris_Iguana

(501 posts)
55. Yep, just more status quo from the human race.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jul 2014

The saddest part is that Gazans are without escape from this massacre.

I wish somebody at least had the gall to evacuate them. Having a homeland is important, but staying alive ranks first.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
79. Hamas isn't "exterminating" anybody....Israel is
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:21 AM
Jul 2014

on edit: I had to correct my spelling or my post would have been completely insignificant.

Tetris_Iguana

(501 posts)
81. I never alluded to Hamas exterminating anyone.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jul 2014

Just that they are unsavory to live with, as well, seeing as they are thugs for lack of a better term.

Also, Israel is spelled I-s-r-a-e-l.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
82. Do you think Israel is in the right by exterminating (your words) the Palestinians in Gaza?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:42 AM
Jul 2014

Are they "thugs"?

BTW, I accidentally switched two letters....ho noes!!1!!1

I'd better fix it...thank you teacher.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
64. This ^ this ^ this ^
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jul 2014

I have no words to express my disgust and outrage toward Israeli's govt', the IDF, Likud party, the brainwashed monsters they created in their population and the defenders here of the atrocities perpetrated vis a vis bullshit anti-semitic and "terrorists" memes, paid for by U.S. and EU tax dollars thank you very much.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
34. Israel has completely destroyed 5,000 Gaza homes, damaged 26,000
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jul 2014
GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- The Palestinian Ministry of Health said on Tuesday that nearly 5,000 homes had been destroyed in Gaza as of late Monday, a number expected to rise amid renewed bombardment.

Ministry spokesman in Gaza Ashraf al-Qidra said that a total of 4,987 homes have been completely destroyed by Israeli shelling and airstrikes in the last 22 days.

26,270 homes, meanwhile, have been partially destroyed, of which 4,136 are no longer suitable for habitation.

The statements come after Israeli authorities gave evacuation orders to more than 400,000 residents of northern Gaza on Monday, including two major neighborhoods in Gaza City.

The United Nations said on Tuesday that 215,000 Gazans had fled their homes amid the bloodiest Israeli assault on the besieged coastal enclave since 2009.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=716832

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. And Harry Reid wants to give them more aid. Any extra aid should go to rebuild these infastructure
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jul 2014

items in Gaza. They wanted to destroy tunnels. These items are not tunnels.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
43. I can't even watch it anymore.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:10 PM
Jul 2014

What the Israeli government is doing IS genocide, yet the world watches and remains silent while the US continues to support them. I don't care who they perceive themselves to be according to religious doctrine, or what's happened to them historically - THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR PURPOSEFULLY KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
61. It is hard to watch the slaughter of innocents
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jul 2014

but watching the slaughter of truth and moral authority is just as bad.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
103. Really. Slaughter of truth is as bad as slaughter of innocents?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jul 2014

From someone safe behind a computer screen. You might want to check that rhetoric a bit.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
108. Non-responsive. Do you think one is as bad as the other? That's what you said. Can you answer?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jul 2014

You are just repeating the same thing all the time, as horrible as what's happening is.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
46. Every country in the West and East not attacked by Jihadi terrorists should step forward right now!
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jul 2014

Oh. Right.


 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
59. Hamas is fighting a war of national liberation. That's quite different from the ISIS types.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jul 2014

But nice try at conflating them.

Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #59)

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
67. "Israel could carpet bomb the remaining areas under Palestinian Arab control
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jul 2014

killing the entire population down to every last man, woman and child ... and nobody would say shit."

Speak for yourself.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
94. i am sure that is a common feeling amongst that bunch.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:42 AM
Jul 2014

that is why they can hurl every insult in the book at me for my criticism of Israel and i don't give a fuck.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
106. Hamas is fighting a holy war, would love to destroy all the Jews,
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jul 2014

and doesn't give a shit about their own people.
They know they cannot win the war. War of liberation my ass.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
60. the civilian children Israel's bombing seen to be much, much worse at it
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and those civilian injured in the hospitals they've bombed - amateurs.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
80. Israel is a terrorist state.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014

Most of the destruction and death they are raining down has nothing to do with directly stopping rocket attacks. It has everything to do with intimidating and battering the Palestinian population.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
91. They Don't Care - Another UN school hit - 19 dead, 90 injured
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:48 AM
Jul 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/gaza-another-un-school-hit-in-further-night-of-fierce-bombardment
<snip>
At least 19 Palestinians were killed and about 90 injured early on Wednesday when a UN school sheltering people was hit by shells during a second night of relentless bombardment that followed an Israeli warning of a protracted military campaign.

Gaza health officials said at least 43 people died in intense air strikes and tank shelling of Jabaliya, a neighbourhood of Gaza City. The death toll included the people at the school who had fled their own homes. Bombardment from Israeli gunboats continued without respite for much of the night.

The last two nights have seen the most fierce bombardment in this Gaza offensive. In 23 days more than 1,240 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed. On the Israeli side 53 soldiers and three civilians have been killed.

International pressure for an end to the bloodshed has continued to mount. On Tuesday the British prime minister, David Cameron, added his weight to calls for an unconditional, immediate humanitarian ceasefire.

“What we’re seeing is absolutely heartbreaking in terms of the loss of life … everyone wants to see this stopped,” he said. Blaming Hamas for triggering the conflict, he added: “Hamas must stop attacking Israel with rocket attacks. That is how this started. It’s completely unjustified and they need to stop as part of the ceasefire.”

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Someone should have told David Cameron how this started. His deliberate ignorance on the matter is embarrassing. Fugging LIAR

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
95. Breaking news: Israel has asked for USA to resupply weapons & ammo
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jul 2014

and we have complied. Just hearing that on CNN. They're calling it an "emergency re-supply of munitions".



Every drop of this blood is on the hands of my government.

Not in my name.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
96. I just thought of something this morning as I was driving into town.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jul 2014

The bombing of the power plant will turn off the power supply to large portions of Gaza for at least a year. Currently, the internet and cellphones have been the way the Palestinians have gotten their stories out to the world. What better way to silence their voices than to take away their means of contacting the outside world?

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
100. Thank you
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jul 2014

I've been pondering for a bit why the power station was targeted since i read about it, now though i want to smack my head against a wall for not realizing the answer thats straight in front of my face as i type considering how obvious it actually might be.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
97. Obama gave a speech, and Kerry is in the ME
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jul 2014

What else do you think is going to happen ?
What is your suggestion ?
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