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bigtree

(85,970 posts)
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:06 AM Jul 2014

UNRWA Condemns Israeli Shelling Of Its School In Gaza As Serious Violation Of International Law

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#UNRWA Strongly Condemns Israeli Shelling of Its School in #Gaza as a Serious Violation of International Law: http://www.unrwa.org//newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-strongly-condemns-israeli-shelling-its-school-gaza-serious#.U9jgCdJLOmo.twitter

Statement by UNRWA Commissioner-General Pierre Krähenbühl

Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza. Children killed in their sleep; this is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced.

We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge. We believe there were at least three impacts. It is too early to give a confirmed official death toll. But we know that there were multiple civilian deaths and injuries including of women and children and the UNRWA guard who was trying to protect the site. These are people who were instructed to leave their homes by the Israeli army.

The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection; the last being at ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.

I condemn in the strongest possible terms this serious violation of international law by Israeli forces.

This is the sixth time that one of our schools has been struck. Our staff, the very people leading the humanitarian response are being killed. Our shelters are overflowing. Tens of thousands may soon be stranded in the streets of Gaza, without food, water and shelter if attacks on these areas continue.

We have moved beyond the realm of humanitarian action alone. We are in the realm of accountability. I call on the international community to take deliberate international political action to put an immediate end to the continuing carnage.


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Pierre Krähenbühl @PKraehenbuehl
This is 6th time one of our @UNRWA schools has been struck. Our staff leading int'l response are being killed. This is a breaking point.

Pierre Krähenbühl @PKraehenbuehl
200'000 displaced people now in 82 @UNRWA schools. If you think it sounds orderly, think again. If you think it is sustainable think again.

Lydia Polgreen ‏@lpolgreen 1h
“My house was burned and death followed us here... Where am I supposed to go?” Another grim day in Gaza. New York Times World

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UNRWA Condemns Israeli Shelling Of Its School In Gaza As Serious Violation Of International Law (Original Post) bigtree Jul 2014 OP
No words.... Avalux Jul 2014 #1
"We are in the realm of accountability." Hear, hear. Enough is enough. morningfog Jul 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #3
And you would look foolish trying to do so. FBaggins Jul 2014 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #9
weren't no accident. KG Jul 2014 #5
"Human shield" is defined by the shield being willing or forced to be....the abuse of definitions is Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #6
definition bigtree Jul 2014 #7
I fail to see your point, you are non responsive to the internationally accepted definition. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #8
Gaza is like a walled prison bigtree Jul 2014 #10
They share a border with Egypt oberliner Jul 2014 #11
So Egypt is responsible for the deaths of Palestinians and not Israel? Spazito Jul 2014 #12
No oberliner Jul 2014 #14
Israel has the power to stop bombing the citizens of Gaza which would make the issue of... Spazito Jul 2014 #17
Yes they do oberliner Jul 2014 #19
Egypt is not a "friendly country" which you well know... Spazito Jul 2014 #21
yes, it is closed bigtree Jul 2014 #13
Why doesn't Egypt open it? oberliner Jul 2014 #15
they have the same objections as Israel to Hamas being part of the unity government bigtree Jul 2014 #16
Yes, I see your points oberliner Jul 2014 #20
Because the U.S. supported dictatorship in Egypt hates Palestinians also. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #18
» bigtree Jul 2014 #22

Response to bigtree (Original post)

FBaggins

(26,714 posts)
4. And you would look foolish trying to do so.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jul 2014

Just as you did on your thread with the hidden post.

False equivalencies are par for the course when debating Israel/Palestine... but pretending that the US is no different is pretty ridiculous.

Response to FBaggins (Reply #4)

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. "Human shield" is defined by the shield being willing or forced to be....the abuse of definitions is
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:47 PM
Jul 2014

the heart of propaganda.

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
7. definition
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:52 PM
Jul 2014

Protocol 1
Additional to the Geneva Conventions, 1977

PART IV: CIVILIAN POPULATION
Section 1: General Protection Against Effects of Hostilities

Article 51: Protection of the Civilian Population

7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

8. Any violation of these prohibitions shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians, including the obligation to take the precautionary measures provided for in Article 57. (http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-proto.htm#a57 )

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. I fail to see your point, you are non responsive to the internationally accepted definition.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jul 2014

Who is being directed to conflict areas? Your own definition reinforces my point, thank you.

I hope I have not misinterpreted your response.

Edit: yes, I have misinterpreted, sorry.

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
10. Gaza is like a walled prison
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jul 2014

. . . there is nowhere for the citizens to flee, and even those refuge centers which the UN has designated and informed the Israelis of that use have come under attack.

I hope I have not misinterpreted your point.

Spazito

(50,044 posts)
12. So Egypt is responsible for the deaths of Palestinians and not Israel?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jul 2014

It's because Egypt's border is closed that's the problem and not Israel's actions and border closures? Is that your post's message? If not, it would be helpful if you would clarify what you are trying to say.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. No
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jul 2014

The post was made in response to the statement about Gaza being a walled prison and there not being any place for their citizens to flee.

Since Gaza borders Egypt - doesn't the Egyptian government have the power to change that?

Three walls does not a prison make.

Spazito

(50,044 posts)
17. Israel has the power to stop bombing the citizens of Gaza which would make the issue of...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jul 2014

Egypt's border moot, would it not? As to your "three walls does not a prison make" who has put up those three walls, maintains them knowing the fourth wall is in place? By your argument, Israel has 3/4 of the responsibly for the open-air prison Gaza has become and Egypt is responsible for 1/4, do I have that correct?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. Yes they do
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jul 2014

You are certainly right about that.

With respect to the Gaza-Israel border. I'm not sure why it is a problem for Israel to put up a wall on its own border preventing Gazans from entering Israel. Why would Gazans want to go to Israel anyway? As long as there is another means for Gazans to move in and out of Gaza, via a friendly country like Egypt, how is that problematic?

Spazito

(50,044 posts)
21. Egypt is not a "friendly country" which you well know...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jul 2014

hence their border closing. Your posts negate to allocate any culpability toward Israel for the deaths and destruction in Gaza while trying to redirect culpability toward a country, Egypt, which is not responsible for any of the death and destruction in the current crisis. Disappointing, to say the least.

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
13. yes, it is closed
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jul 2014

Egypt is refusing to open the Rafah border crossing with the Gaza Strip to allow injured Palestinians to seek treatment at Egyptian hospitals amid Israel's escalating military offensive against the besieged coastal enclave.

Officials in Gaza say that the border crossing, which is Gaza's only not controlled by Israel, has mostly remained closed since Israel’s relentless attacks began more than a fortnight ago, and some medical delegations have even been denied entry.

Egypt has also prevented an aid convoy from reaching the residents of the impoverished Palestinian territory.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/22/372344/egypt-refuses-to-let-gazans-cross-border/


Both Israel and Egypt have enforced a crippling, years-long blockade of Gaza. Israel also faces demands to open its crossings, which are vital to reviving the strip’s economy, but it is likely to resist doing so.

For its part, Egypt has made it clear it won’t open the border unless the Gaza side is run by Hamas’ rival, President Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-gaza-war-egypt-taking-hard-line-over-border/

bigtree

(85,970 posts)
16. they have the same objections as Israel to Hamas being part of the unity government
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jul 2014

. . . however, the initial question I answered above was a response to the inability of the citizens at the present time to find acceptable and safe refuge from Israeli attacks. They have enforced restrictions on their ability to remove themselves from the areas under attack.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Yes, I see your points
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)

I just think it is important to note that there can't be a prison without Egypt's complicity.

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