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Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:22 PM Jul 2014

Fuck this. It is time for direct action to stop US military support of Israel.

Americans appalled by our government's support for this on-going atrocity need to do more than post angry messages on discussion boards.

Our government ignores us, anyway.

It's time for direct actions and civil disobedience to stop the killing machine.

I'm not so far from the port of Oakland. Maybe there will be an action there.

http://palsolidarity.org/

http://www.answercoalition.org/

(Sorry, I know they have their issues, but they are sponsoring a Saturday demo in Washington, DC. If any Democratic-party affiliated groups are doing something, let us know.)

If anyone knows of other groups or links, please let us know. I will post what I find, too.

See ya in the streets!

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Fuck this. It is time for direct action to stop US military support of Israel. (Original Post) Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 OP
If anyone starts an email or letter campaign, let me know. oldandhappy Jul 2014 #1
Congress will never say no to Israel. Avalux Jul 2014 #2
I'd love to see that list of Congresspersons COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #3
That's what I thought. COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #41
I'd like to see that list as well. dballance Jul 2014 #5
Keith Ellison is in the House (MN-5). nt kelly1mm Jul 2014 #11
There are 20 Jewish members of the House. And Ellison is in the House. onenote Jul 2014 #12
Wow. Only one "R" and he's on the way out. savalez Jul 2014 #22
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #23
Damn, only 6-1. I was so close. eggplant Jul 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #37
I'm surprised the other two were only 5-2. eggplant Jul 2014 #39
I heard that Israel will give citizenship to just about any visitor. bahrbearian Jul 2014 #7
You "heard"? Is that like "some people say"? onenote Jul 2014 #13
Is that what you heard? MineralMan Jul 2014 #16
I've heard a lot of BS on this topic too. former9thward Jul 2014 #17
Name them, then. MineralMan Jul 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyama Jul 2014 #32
Just realized we had a march here in Denver sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #4
Accusations of Anti-Semitism in 3, 2, 1... Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #6
Not anti-semitism. Just lies. onenote Jul 2014 #14
I was talking about the OP Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #18
Why Israel gets what it wants--- NOBODY LISTENS!!! easychoice Jul 2014 #8
If there's one in LA I'll be there with a megaphone. Time ballyhoo Jul 2014 #9
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #21
I'm 1/3rd Jewish so I won't do that. But ballyhoo Jul 2014 #29
Jury results Trillo Jul 2014 #36
And the results for their trifecta... eggplant Jul 2014 #40
K and R bigwillq Jul 2014 #10
During elections you ALWAYS hear candidates trying to out support their opposition when it Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #15
usa puts more money in israeli elections than israelis do tiny elvis Jul 2014 #28
Jewish people in the states. Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #33
excellent post - n/t dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #42
It will never happen davidpdx Jul 2014 #19
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #20
Maybe the US govt is doing what the American public wants? EX500rider Jul 2014 #24
Interesting that they chose the word "Hamas" instead of "Palestinian." Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2014 #38
total b.s. dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #43
I'll trust it better then the poll you didn't take. EX500rider Jul 2014 #45
+1,000 malaise Jul 2014 #26
If there was a vote tomorrow...? kentuck Jul 2014 #27
That's been the Pattern for Years... Netenyahu knows his power... KoKo Jul 2014 #30
Corey Robin and others were arrested yesterday shutting down traffic outside the Israeli consulate Chathamization Jul 2014 #31
All boils down to the Book of Revelations and Jesus' Return. libdem4life Jul 2014 #35
Go for it. Rhinodawg Jul 2014 #44

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
1. If anyone starts an email or letter campaign, let me know.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jul 2014

I am in. Sorry, can't make it to D.C. I am motivated to stop Israel. Sent the embassy a one word email -- 'STOP'.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
2. Congress will never say no to Israel.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jul 2014

Right nor wrong, I don't see it every happening. There are too many elected officials who hold Israeli citizenships, most of whom are Democrats I love. It's quite a quandry.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
3. I'd love to see that list of Congresspersons
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jul 2014

who hold 'Israeli citizenship'. Can you post it or post a link?

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
5. I'd like to see that list as well.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jul 2014

Could you kindly post it or a link to it?

Certainly, AIPAC has bought many politicians or created fear in them. I was unaware that there are a large number of people with dual citizenship in our congress.

On edit:

In fact, now that Eric Cantor lost his re-election there will only be Christians in the House. The Senate is a bit more diverse. It even has Keith Ellison who is a Muslim Senator.

onenote

(42,685 posts)
12. There are 20 Jewish members of the House. And Ellison is in the House.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jul 2014

Not sure where you get your information, but you need a better source.

There are twenty Jewish members of the House, all Democrats.

Eric Cantor (R-VA)
David Cicilline (D-RI)
Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
Susan Davis (D-CA)
Ted Deutch (D-FL)
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Lois Frankel (D-FL)*
Alan Grayson (D-FL)*
Steve Israel (D-NY)
Sander Levin (D-MI)
Alan Lowenthal (D-CA)*
Nita Lowey (D-NY)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Jared Polis (D-CO)
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Adam Schiff (D-CA)
Brad Schneider (D-IL)*
Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
Brad Sherman (D-CA)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)
Henry Waxman (D-CA)
John Yarmuth (D-KY)

There are 11 Jewish Senators
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

There are two Hindu members of Congress, two Muslims, and three Buddhists.
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/16/faith-on-the-hill-the-religious-composition-of-the-113th-congress/#new

Response to onenote (Reply #12)

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
34. Damn, only 6-1. I was so close.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jul 2014

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eggplant

(3,911 posts)
39. I'm surprised the other two were only 5-2.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jul 2014

I've only seen one other time where someone got that many. I can't remember who, but it wasn't that long ago, and they got PPRed right after that.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
7. I heard that Israel will give citizenship to just about any visitor.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jul 2014

I'm sure any visiting Congresscritter is eligible.

onenote

(42,685 posts)
13. You "heard"? Is that like "some people say"?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jul 2014

If you're going to post bullshit, make it bullshit that can't be fact checked. Israel does not "give citizenship to just about any visitor".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law#Acquisition_of_citizenship

If you have any class, you'll self-delete your post.

Response to Avalux (Reply #2)

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
4. Just realized we had a march here in Denver
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jul 2014

After looking up the support groups I found the International Socialist Organization. May be others find that group in their area. I will call or contact them to ask about another march here. Yet, I refuse to walk with Hamas supporters.

onenote

(42,685 posts)
14. Not anti-semitism. Just lies.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jul 2014

Lies about the number of elected officials with "Dual Citizenship".
Lies about Israel's citizenship policies.
Lies about the number of non-Christians in Congress.

 

Roy Serohz

(236 posts)
18. I was talking about the OP
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jul 2014

Any criticism of Israeli gov't policy is usually met with the playing of the A-S card.

Response to ballyhoo (Reply #9)

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
36. Jury results
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jul 2014
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eggplant

(3,911 posts)
40. And the results for their trifecta...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:27 PM
Jul 2014

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You may hate everything military
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Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. During elections you ALWAYS hear candidates trying to out support their opposition when it
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jul 2014

comes to Israel and Jews, "I heard him complain about the Rye bread in Steinberg's deli." " Well I heard him say he was thinking about, possibly, voting for the same amount of aid that Israel got last year not more, can you believe it!"

Yet another fine example of the Root problem we should be complaining/protesting about, the campaign money they and their supporters give to our politicians that require them to do whatever Israel asks/tells them to do! I guarantee that if Mexico had as many wealthy, influential Donors as Israel does, we would take whoever they wanted us to take across our borders! It's a win-win-lose proposition. Israel wins money, weapons, and the use of our power in the world, the politicians wins the election with the money raised from wealthy Donors (millions), and we the Tax Payers lose BILLIONS of our tax dollars given to these other countries while we cut Meals on Wheels to the elderly because we spend more than we take in.

We are being screwed ROYALLY! We need to stop this shite by organizing the biggest protest in our history since the campaign bribery is what is preventing all of the good, common sense solutions to our problems. This Fall campaign silly season, let's hit the streets in cities/towns around the country (September 13th - November 4th and beyond) and DEMAND AN END TO MONEY IN OUR ELECTIONS! It has been suggested that we protest outside of the TV and Radio stationsCampaign Finance REFORM will always be too little, to late. Make that shite illegal so we can arrest their asses, or give the corporate death penalty if a corporation gets caught doing it.

If you know someone upset enough at the genocide going on in Gaza that they want to protest or join a group to fight our involvement, in groups for equal pay for women, background checks for assault weapons, LGBTV issues, environment, education, legalized marijuana, all of the things that a majority of Americans want, but won't get because the corporations or the the 1% oppose it (Big Donors), get them and their group involved in this fight so they can get what they should already have!

By demanding the end to campaign donations, we will have to have Publicly Funded Federal, State, and Local Elections. Most of the campaign costs will be absorbed by the culpable media airing the campaign ads as a public service for using the public airwaves under license. We will get our Representative Democracy back. No longer will our politicians do the bidding of the rich and powerful and ignore the rest of us! We can make it happen if we get everyone with a cause to realize that they will not get what they want as long as they are outspent in campaign fundraising!

For those of you that blow this off and say it would never work, please tell me, what other possible solution do you have? It won't work if we cannot get the people, but enough would at least change the conversation before the midterms!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. It will never happen
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:04 PM
Jul 2014

The politicians in the US are beholden to Israel and won't ever turn against them. Our money is as good as gone.

Response to Comrade Grumpy (Original post)

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
24. Maybe the US govt is doing what the American public wants?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014
CNN Poll: Majority of Americans side with Israel in Gaza fighting.
According to the poll, 57% of the public said the Israeli actions against Hamas, the Palestinian organization that runs Gaza, are justified, with just over a third saying they are unjustified.



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/21/cnn-poll-americans-clearly-side-with-israel-in-gaza-fighting/

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
38. Interesting that they chose the word "Hamas" instead of "Palestinian."
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jul 2014

I wonder why the worded it that way?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
43. total b.s.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jul 2014

The question wording is misleading, and the corporate media engages in non-stop propaganda to convince Americans to support Israel right or wrong, giving them misleading and biased "facts" to support their objectives.

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
45. I'll trust it better then the poll you didn't take.
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:59 PM
Jul 2014
"Attitudes toward Israeli military action have been extremely stable over the years," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "In 2012, an identical 57% thought that Israel's actions against Hamas in Gaza were justified. And in 2009, the number of Americans who felt that way was only a few points higher, at 63%."

"Support for U.S. military aid to Israel also remains fairly stable, with almost two-thirds of Americans saying that U.S. assistance to Israel should be increased or kept the same," Holland added.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
27. If there was a vote tomorrow...?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:22 PM
Jul 2014

On whether to send emergency military aid to Israel, most of the House and Senate, both Parties, would over-whelmingly vote for it. There might be a dozen Democrats and a couple of Republicans but they would only be a small protest vote.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. That's been the Pattern for Years... Netenyahu knows his power...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jul 2014

He knows when a Bow Down Congress gives him Emperor Status that he owns it all and our Tax Payer Dollars will always be forthcoming.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
31. Corey Robin and others were arrested yesterday shutting down traffic outside the Israeli consulate
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jul 2014

A post (and discussion) at a blog he contributes to here. A week ago, nine members of Jewish Voice for Peace occupied a Friends of the Israeli Defence Force office (singing and reading names of the dead) until the police took them away.

Those are the acts of heard of so far. Respect to anyone who puts themselves on the line to stop this slaughter.

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