The Zionist Megaphone

[Purveyor]

Watching US news coverage about Gaza for the past three weeks, I could imagine how the Nazis manipulated a nation to become complicit in the gassing and killing of millions of people.

Zionist propagandists have equally neutralised public opinion in a surreal Orwellian world of doublespeak and doublethink.

The American media has turned into a Zionist megaphone, rationalising the murder of children playing on the beach or hiding in UN shelters.

Like Joseph Goebbels in Nazi Germany, Israeli Prime Minister spokesman Mark Regev has become a regular on US networks preaching about "missiles raining on Israel".

But then the Israeli story took a sudden twist when the FAA banned American airlines from flying to Tel Aviv, forcing a complete turnaround in Zionist newspeak on complicit US media outlets.

Responding to the FAA decision, former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg joined the Mayor of Jerusalem to speak with CNN reporter Zev Barak, otherwise known as Wolf Blitzer - the former media propagandist for AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) - to tell viewers the FAA was wrong and that Israel was very safe.

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http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?storyid=383030

[notadmblnd]

1. but if Israel is safe, why do they have to kill all the Palastinian women, children and old people?

[easychoice]

3. Genocide

cowards

[countryjake]

2. The man who wrote this was born in a Palestinian refugee camp...

and it's hard for me to imagine what he must be feeling as he watches the destruction of Occupied Palestine, his homeland, from afar.

[easychoice]

4. this post was alerted on.

the alerter was a real crybaby too...

[BainsBane]

6. Yeah, probably was someone like me

(thought it wasn't me because I have learned that such alerts are pointless) who thought Jews were human beings that deserve respect like any other.

[mwrguy]

14. I had a post hidden for using the z-word

[oberliner]

31. No you didn't

Posts don't get hidden for using the word Zionist.

[azurnoir]

41. What was the post hidden for then? n/t

[oberliner]

42. Ask the poster to send you the full text of the post in question

I'd be curious to get your take on why you think it might have been hidden.

[azurnoir]

43. I'm sorry but it was your contention that it wasn't hidden for the word Zionist

I asked how you knew that, you see I already know which post it is however my posting it could be considered a call out and we wouldn't want that would we?

[oberliner]

45. Posts aren't hidden for using the word Zionist

Do you disagree?

[azurnoir]

48. In this case yes but as I said if I post it

that could be considered a call out and there for could be alerted it as such, however if you're really curious you could simply search it up

[mwrguy]

66. See below

You can report someone for anything, and sometimes you'll get four people to agree.

[mwrguy]

64. I sure as hell did. My post and the alert pasted below.

The alerter reported me for my use of the term, then immediately quoted something completely different that happened to have the same word in it. It was an effective strawman, as I was hidden on a 4-3 vote.

My post: "zionists have a lot of pull"


The complaint:

This post blames "Zionists" (whoever they are) for causing a Palestinian journalist to be banned from MSNBC. Want an idea of how bigoted this post is? Notorious anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, for instance, has made many references to Jewish control of institutions, for instance "... stop being guided by the controlled media that is owned by Zionist forces that want to make you pawns in the struggle of Israel and Zionism.” http://archive.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/on_jewish_con.html

This latest Israel/Palestine dispute in the headlines sure is bringing out the anti-Semites on DU.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:03 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with the Alerter, MIRT and Admins should look for a pattern with this poster.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sick of anti-semitic tropes on DU. Word replacing "jew" with "zionist" doesn't make it okay.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with alert comments.

[mwrguy]

65. from this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274071

[BainsBane]

5. A completely offensive OP

Last edited Sat Aug 2, 2014, 04:45 AM - Edit history (1)

To act as if the gassing and baking in ovens of 12 million people, 6 million of whom were Jews, were simply about propaganda is an offensive argument.

This also echos the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. If people cannot advance a POV without demonstrating their contempt for a group of people, that is a problem. Is the goal to oppose Israel's war on Gaza or express contempt for Jews? The former does not require the latter.

I say this as someone who opposes Israeli occupation of Palestine and the current war. I can say that, however, without comparing Israel to the Nazis and the US media to Joseph Goebells propaganda machine.

I have all kinds of issues with the US media. That they are supposedly controlled by Jews is not one of them.

Edit: It turns out the author was born in a Palestinian refugee camp. While I can understand how someone with that background might hold such views, it is another thing for those views to be championed here.

[TorchTheWitch]

12. ^THIS^

[COLGATE4]

46. Add me. +1

[redgreenandblue]

15. The Palestinians don't have a voice.

I agree with giving them one, even if I don't agree with what they say.

I don't agree with the contents of the OP, but the personal background of the author is reason enough for me to think that the piece *should* in fact be posted here.

[BainsBane]

18. That is not how this OP was presented

If it were, that would be a different matter.

[cpwm17]

8. If Israelis and its supporters don't want their actions compared to past evils

they shouldn't conduct or support evil. Israel's comparison to many of Nazi Germany's past behaviors is justified. If someone doesn't like, tough.

Take your complaints up with these folks:

[BainsBane]

9. So does that make you and I Nazis?

For the war in Iraq? We could post plenty of pictures like that. Then we could add in Vietnam, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Korea, Germany, Japan, and on and on.

If we don't want to be called evil, maybe we shouldn't do something like this?

https://www.google.com/search?q=vietnam+war+civil+casualties&tbm=isch&ei=b5TcU5npGcqryATsxoLoAQ#q=vietnam+war+civilian+casualties&spell=1&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

The reason I've providing the link is because many are too horrific to post.

[cpwm17]

10. No, but comparisons to past evils are justified when current evils are committed

The US has committed numerous atrocities over time. People have compared the US's actions to evils committed in the past. If those responsible or support those evils don't like it, I don't care. It's their own damn fault.

Victims of mass-murder really don't care what terrible philosophy the perpetrators have used to rationalize the evil. Evil is evil. Victims of US genocide against Cambodia didn't care why they were being slaughtered and starved. It was wrong no matter what.

[mazzarro]

13. Absolutely correct!

I get miffed by the people that feel so offended that Israel's actions are compared to Nazi's. So Israel should have carte blanche on what they do and the conditions imposed on the Palestinians?

[BainsBane]

16. No, they shouldn't

But that doesn't make the analogy accurate. There is no historical parallel between the Holocaust and the war in Gaza. The only commonality is Jews.

Are you actually arguing that not calling Israeli Nazis is "giving them carte-blanche"? The only way to express opposition to a policy is to compare it to the Holocaust? Nothing matters if it's not the Holocaust? Not Iraq, not Vietnam, all of that was okay because it wasn't the Holocaust?

[oberliner]

32. "I get miffed by the people that feel so offended that Israel's actions are compared to Nazi's."

Wow

[treestar]

35. Fair enough

The US itself has been compared and contrasted to Nazi Germany by someone I'm sure.

The Israel issue is unique in that Israel is a state created by the UN forced on the people who were there on the land. I still don't get how anyone expected it to just work out. Typical of the British that they thought they could draw boundaries and expect people to be happy with them.

[cpwm17]

40. Yes, the Israel issue is unique

That is what upsets so many people.

The unrepentant nastiness of Israel's policies and actions are hard to explain. And Israel is strongly supported by US politicians and by much of the US public. Israel has been at this for almost seventy years and the Zionists have for even longer.

There seems nothing Israel can't do. No matter what, many supporters of Israel won't budge. You can see it here in this thread. They are more concerned about some analogies than the massacre that is happening in the Gaza Strip.

[noiretextatique]

17. if the shoe fits...

I consider many of our corporate wars genocide. I don't think supporting the obliteration of Palestinians is any different.

[BainsBane]

19. Then that means you

You personally, and I personally. If you are going to pass such judgment on Jews as a people by endorsing the kind of view in this OP, you better be prepared to take blame yourself. The amount of bloodshed we are responsible for is exponentially greater than that shed by Israelis.

It doesn't work to make it about "corporations" when it comes to the US and then blame Jews as a people for policy in Israel. If it is going to go beyond national policy for them, it applies to you and I as well, every last one of us who pays the tax dollars and reaps the benefits-- because we do reap benefits. We are richer and more comfortable than most of the world's population and those wars help sustain that standard of living, add to that the incredible labor exploitation around the world that goes to maintain our comfort.

[noiretextatique]

20. I know many Jews do no support the govt policy

Anymore that I supported the assault on Iraq. However, the Israeli government is as wrong as we were in...too many places to count. And hell yes...the American government has a lot of blood on its hands too.

[BainsBane]

21. This OP isn't about the Israeli policy

nor is the Holocaust analogy about the Israeli policy. Both are about Jews as a whole, not even just Israeli Jews.

[oberliner]

23. A more apt comparison might be NATO

Or perhaps the US in Iraq?

[cpwm17]

28. I use Apartheid South Africa or US treatment of Native Americans as analogies

though this is worse than Apartheid South Africa. The Warsaw Ghetto is a useful comparison. This is less severe in its intensity, with the lower body count, but this is far longer in its duration with little hope for resolution. There are no soldiers anywhere that are coming to save the Palestinians

The problen isn't that such comparisons are made, no, the problem is that such comparisons can be made. The start of the Palestinian Nakba happened almost seventy years ago and this crap is still going on.

[oberliner]

33. "The Warsaw Ghetto is a useful comparison."

100,000 died of malnutrition/disease in the first year (that's 1/4 of the population).

Almost all of the rest were sent to death camps and exterminated.

The comparison is not apt. Useful, maybe....

[JI7]

11. interesting how this comparison is ok in this case but people were outraged when it came to Putin

and Assad.

[steve2470]

25. good point nt

[oberliner]

22. "Like Joseph Goebbels in Nazi Germany..."

Gotta get those Nazi comparisons in there!

Some folks just can't help themselves I guess.

[hack89]

24. "Those diabolical Joooos..."

The overt hatred of Jews here is shocking and disgusting.

[COLGATE4]

49. I am absolutely open-mouthed to see

the extent of it coming out now on DU. Some of this reads like Free Republic or WND.

[Kingofalldems]

67. Never read that statement here. Please link.

[hack89]

68. Dog whistles - the RW are not the only folks with them. Nt

[treestar]

36. The point was about propaganda

And that can be a fair point. There are many facets of these things. It is not really a fair thing to say we can never mention the Nazis in any debate. There are differences in intensity, in the number of victims, but there can be similarities too. We say things like this about the US and there's no reason Israel should be immune from criticism.

[oberliner]

37. I realize that

It would have been pretty easy to make that point without any references to Nazi Germany.

[sufrommich]

26. The city of Homs in Syria:

Complete silence from those outraged by "zionists".

[killbotfactory]

27. Yes, no one has condemned Syrian violence

Get real.

[oberliner]

34. How many casualties have there been in Syria this week?

I know the total is up over 150,000 killed.

Is there even one article on DU in the past week?

[treestar]

39. It is normal to talk about the news where something has been changing

No one talked about the Nigerian missing girls either.

Haven't heard about MH17 in a few days.

Haven't heard about MH370 at all.

And we won't be discussing then when something else happens.

Anyone can start an OP on Syria or any other topic.

[oberliner]

61. Situation is changing every day in Syria

Certainly as much as in Gaza (if not moreso).

[elias49]

56. American money - my tax dollars - are not going to the Syrian govt

to help them carry out their destruction. That's a big difference. And I think that is largely why sensitivities are so high and strained.

[oberliner]

57. They are going to the rebels

$500 million recently requested by Obama. Another billion to Jordan/Lebanon/Turkey/Iraq to deal with any "extremism" that might spill over into those countries.

Are you good with that?

[elias49]

60. Nope. nt

[treestar]

38. Complete silence?

Oh, please. We had a huge DU debate and in fact there was a faction very upset at the idea the US would even try to help!

[BainsBane]

63. In fact

Many have gone to great lengths to deny such violence is occurring or argue that the rebels themselves are responsible for it.
Given the death toll in Syria is far, far higher than Palestine (and no, I am not justifying the war on Palestine, just pointing out a contradiction), it becomes difficult to believe that brutal loss of life is the primary concern. Or is it simply that Assad is more clever in keeping journalists and television news in particular out; if it's not on the TeeVee, it just doesn't matter?

[99Forever]

29. One would think Israelis, of all people...

... would oppose deliberate violations of the Geneva Conventions such as Collective Punishment.

Apparently one would be wrong. Shame on Israel, they have indeed become what they claim to despise.

[elias49]

55. Well said. nt

[MineralMan]

44. Well, since I'm certain that your OP was alerted on and

left by a jury, I won't alert on it. Comparisons or Israel with Nazi Germany are completely over the top, in my opinion. That is all I will say about that in this reply. Over the top, and offensive in so many ways that I won't belabor it any further.

I support neither Israel or Hamas in this conflict. However, hyperbole invoking Hitler and Nazi Germany are not appropriate here. Personally, I wish the Admins of this site would insist that all posts about Israel/Palestine be made in the Israel Palestine Group on DU, rather than in GD.

[sufrommich]

47. Ah, the old "the jews control the media" tripe.

A dressed up in shiny new clothes.

[COLGATE4]

50. Only lacking a nice

cartoon caricature of a sinister, hooked-nose figure with long talons grabbing a TV station.

[Codeine]

53. If nonsense like this is allowed to stand

then I'm sure we'll get to that point soon enough. I, like most people, am opposed to what Israel is doing but the blatant, downright crude antisemitism being employed and applauded by some DUers is shameful and revolting.

[COLGATE4]

54. Unfortunately, I believe you're right. nt

[malaise]

51. Excellent description

the manipulation of media is mind-blowing.

[tritsofme]

52. Wow, I didn't know Wolf Blitzer is a JOOOOOOO!!!1!

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Thanks for pointing out his JOOOOO name, he won't fool us!!!!

What a bunch of tripe.

[BillZBubb]

58. Somehow Israel has managed to control the message in the US media.

Using Goebbels as the model for that is over the top. Goebbels certainly pioneered the manipulation of mass media to control the message. But, he did that inside his own country.

Somehow Israel has managed that in the one foreign country they need to have in their pocket--the US. Israel has been far less successful elsewhere. How did that come to pass?

[mathematic]

59. Some nerve posting on doublespeak after that OP on the "real" unemployment

Feel free to reconcile this newfound opposition to doublespeak with your prior endorsement of counting students as unemployed, coming up with a completely fabricated rate of 18%, and calling it the "real unemployment rate".

[MohRokTah]

62. Zionism no longer exists

The Zionist movement basically ended in 1948 when they achieved the goal of a nation called Israel.

So when you use the term "Zionist" today, you're really just saying "Jew".