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Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:24 PM

 

The Likud vs. Hamas war in Gaza.

For too long the current conflict in Israel/Palestine has been painted as a conflict between Israel and Palestine.

It's time to dispense with that nonsense. IT IS NOT FACTUAL! IT IS, IN FACT, COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!!

This is a conflict between two extremist organizations that can only be considered as terrorist organizations.

This is a conflict between the terrorist organization called "Likud" and the terrorist organization called "Hamas".

Everybody else is caught between these two terrorist organizations.

Flame away. I suspect somebody will get this post locked for some reason or other (anti-Semitic or pro-terrorist or whatever the fuck).

Anybody who thinks that these organizations give a flying fuck about the well being of the people of Israel and Palestine at heart are only lying to themselves.

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Reply The Likud vs. Hamas war in Gaza. (Original post)
MohRokTah Aug 2014 OP
99Forever Aug 2014 #1
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #4
joshcryer Aug 2014 #7
JVS Aug 2014 #2
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #6
JVS Aug 2014 #8
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #10
JVS Aug 2014 #11
JI7 Aug 2014 #12
tritsofme Aug 2014 #15
JI7 Aug 2014 #16
tritsofme Aug 2014 #17
Cleita Aug 2014 #19
LuvNewcastle Aug 2014 #3
elleng Aug 2014 #5
joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
JI7 Aug 2014 #13
Alameda Aug 2014 #14
freshwest Aug 2014 #20
Cleita Aug 2014 #18

Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:31 PM

1. Whether it gets locked or not, understand you aren't alone in this view. n/t

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:37 PM

4. If the conversation actually turned from I/P to Likud/Hamas...

 

The disgust of the world would actually force a change to the Israeli government to stop the madness because nobody can deny, Likud holds the most might in this conflict.

This is why AIPAC won't allow any discussion of the extremism of Likud.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:41 PM

7. I don't know what's controversial about that view.

Likud has to do what they're doing to stay in power just as Hamas.

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:35 PM

2. I think it's wishful thinking to dismiss this as a conflict between Likud and Hamas...

when each of these groups are the elected representatives of the general populations involved.

It would be nice if we could claim that the conflict is among a small group of extremists on each side, but that does not represent the reality of the situation.

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Response to JVS (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:41 PM

6. Teabaggers are elected in the US. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:42 PM

8. And can we dismiss them as not representative of the political views of their constituencies?

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Response to JVS (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:43 PM

10. Two words, voter turnout. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:46 PM

11. Does that apply to Israeli and Palestinian politics?

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Response to JVS (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:50 PM

12. i read somewhere that Netanyahu and Hamas both got less than 50 percent support

but because of the system such as things like coalitions, moderates splitting support etc they end up winning.

similar to teabaggers winning because of gerrymandered districts and holding on to the house as a result.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:58 PM

15. Coalition governments are the norm in many parliamentary democracies

Or really anywhere that does not have a strong two party system. There's nothing nefarious about it.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 11:00 PM

16. i didn't say it was nefarious , which is why i compared it to republican control of the house

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Response to JI7 (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 11:18 PM

17. I guess I don't understand your analogy then.

Republicans have an absolute majority in the House, they benefit from gerrymandering and that their voting base is more spread out geographically, but I don't see how that relates to a parliamentary system where coalition governments are not uncommon due to a weak or non-existent two party system.

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Response to JVS (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:03 AM

19. Pooh!

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:36 PM

3. It looks to me like each of them wants to wipe the other off the face of the Earth.

The hatred is so deep. That's why I don't think they'll ever come to an agreement on their own. The UN or someone is going to have to step in and tell them how it is. That's the only solution, I think.

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:39 PM

5. Yes. Thanks for this.

Not unlike problems we here face with 'extremists,' which hopefully we'll be able to control/deal with/address in the foreseeable future.

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:43 PM

9. As far as reductionism goes, I can get behind this.

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:51 PM

13. remember how Bush needed Bin Laden tapes and fake terror alerts to keep support ?

and just like the crazies in iran and al qaeda and elsewhere needed someone like Bush as President to gain support.

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:55 PM

14. You can read the Likud party platform and the Hamas charter online

Both are extremist IMHO

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Response to Alameda (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:08 AM

20. +1 and play on people's fear of being killed, but they kept on killing.

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Response to MohRokTah (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:02 AM

18. I so agree. Two Lords trying to kill each other and taking

the serfs with them

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