Gaza Crisis: 'Captured' Israeli Soldier Died In Airstrike On His Captors, Claim Hamas

[Purveyor]

Israel claimed that Second Lieutenant Hadar Goldin was kidnapped by Hamas an hour after a 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire was meant to come into effect.

Hamas denied holding the 23-year-old and instead claims it lost contact with its fighters following a clash in southern Gaza.

Their statement read: "We believe all members of this group have died in an [Israeli] strike, including the Zionist soldier the enemy says disappeared."

The Foreign Office was looking into claims that Lt Goldin held joint Israeli-British citizenship, although Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said "no evidence" had been found to confirm this.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/494816/Gaza-crisis-Hamas-claim-Captured-Israeli-soldier-dead-in-airstrike

The BBC mentions this also in its report and can be found here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28627888

[kelliekat44]

1. Bet this "belief" won't get reported as "fact" like "believing" a soldier was kidnapped was

reported all over the world. I had a lay-over in an airport yesterday and that was all you could hear blasting on the airport screens from CNN and Wolf. Will the allegation by Hamas get as much coverage?

Don't hold your breath.

[Purveyor]

2. Indeed. ABC World News Tonight mentioned this on their Saturday evening broadcast

which is how I first heard of this. Couldn't find copy in the ABC website but then again, it is the weekend and updates are not that timely.

[rudolph the red]

3. Probably not

Hamas is a terrorist organization, they use all sorts of lies and propaganda to spread their version of the truth.

[Carolina]

6. Oh, and Israel is so pure.

... bulldozing occupied Palestinian homes, killing innocents, thwarting UN sanctions and thumbing its nose at its US terrorist sponsor US, purveyor of money, weaponry, and anti-Muslim hatred. And everything Israel purports is the unvarnished truth, never intended to support the Israeli narrative

Muslim terrorism, even 9/11, is blowback from US-Israeli actions.

[Katashi_itto]

7. hmm low posts..pro Israel...."Israel to pay students to defend it online"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

[rudolph the red]

9. Yeah I'm paid to post

You have no argument so I guess you'd make that claim.

[Katashi_itto]

22. Lots of real facts, but why bother with something like you.

[B Calm]

8. Do every Israel citizen have dual citizenship for another country?

[rudolph the red]

10. No they don't

[B Calm]

11. You 100% sure?

[rudolph the red]

12. Yep

[B Calm]

13. Is it because some have multiple citizenships?

[rudolph the red]

14. What the fuck is the point of your interrogation?

Some do, most don't. Who gives a shit.

[B Calm]

15. I give a shit.

[B Calm]

17. Maybe you should read the OP

[rudolph the red]

18. I did, several times

whats your point?

[B Calm]

19. . . .

[rudolph the red]

20. ....

[Lancero]

23. Given that Israel doesn't care enough to check their targets...

Which is shown by the amount of children they have killed, it really wouldn't suprise me if one of their bombings killed the soldier.

[sabrina 1]

25. Israel has confirmed Hamas' claims regarding the death of the soldier. Another

tragic death on Netanhayu's plate.

So I guess Hamas was telling the truth that they did not kidnap the soldier, unless you don't believe Israel's confirmation of course.

Hard to lie about something like this. Family members demand the facts. But the lie from Netanyahu served its purpose, the Cease Fire was violated by him while the world, for a short time, believed the lie.

[malaise]

28. Ding ding we have a winner

Since yesterday I stated that this lie would soon be exposed.

[onenote]

34. The cease fire was violated by the attack on the Israelis in the tunnel

Israel would have retaliated whether the soldier was kidnapped or killed. (Two other soldiers were killed).

Rational thinking would require answers to the following question:

If the Israelis knew Goldin was dead and they were lying about it, why would they then disclose his death later? Why not persist in the "lie" and make it seem as if Hamas had him?

And Hamas' story that Goldin was killed by an air strike is ludicrous. The israeli forces encounter an attack (something Hamas has admitted occurred) in the course of destroying a tunnel and miraculously an air strike is arranged in a matter of seconds while the fight between the Israeli forces and Hamas is ongoing?

I note that Hamas has never denied that its attackers included a suicide bomber.

[sabrina 1]

35. Don't talk to me about it. Talk to Israel. According to reports the battle

occurred before the cease fire. However, if it was a matter of minutes and they were in the middle of an encounter, that was not reason to violate the cease fire, IF peace is the goal of Israel. But pretty much everyone knows now that peace if definitely not Netanyahu's goal.

[bemildred]

4. It gets worse:

Today, Walla confirmed via the IDF that Goldin is dead. At first the army only admitted it knew this based on “DNA evidence.” But I believed it had his body. This was confirmed by this subsequent Ynet report that it did have his body and that his funeral would be tomorrow. It is critical that there be an autopsy to determine the cause of his death. But I don’t believe the IDF will allow it because it knows what it will find.

In the hours following his capture, the IDF bombarded Rafah with heavy artillery and from the air in order to both take vengeance for the ambush which killed two senior officers; and to kill Goldin. Over 60 Gazans died. Though the IDF conceded Godin is dead. But it did not concede that it killed him and did so deliberately. That is why the army censor warned the Times about its reporting. Here is how the Times public editor reported it today:

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/08/02/idf-censor-tells-ny-times-it-cannot-report-it-killed-2nd-lt-hadar-goldin/

[malaise]

5. Lies lies lies

THey even had Kerry and the US President buying this BS.

[onenote]

21. Richard Silverstein is a blogger with an agenda

He's not a reporter. And that the idea he has inside information about how Goldin died is laughable on its face. This piece of work is the guy who derided an African-American supporter of Israel as a "Negro" Zionist and an "Uncle Tom."

[oberliner]

26. He also has demonstrated some bizarre paranoia

He went crazy on his synagogue secretary accusing her of deliberately leaking the date of his son's bar mitzvah to pro-Israel "enemies" of his when in fact, he had posted that information himself on his twitter account.

[oberliner]

24. Silverstein is kinda notorious for making stuff up

Not a source to be taken seriously.

[sabrina 1]

27. Then he has something in common with Netanyahu it seems.

RIP to the soldier. Yet another tragedy that never needed to happen.

[oberliner]

29. Indeed

Neither should be taken at their word.

[onenote]

32. And yet posters on this thread are taking him seriously

And spreading his nonsense

[sabrina 1]

33. I'm vaguely familiar with him. Airc, he was a poster on Daily Kos. Didn't

read him much, but do remember seeing him there, unless I'm thinking of someone else.

[bemildred]

30. Yeah, I know.

Mondoweiss has it too. It will spread.

But right now I consider it a rumor that will probably be resolved one way or the other soon.