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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:40 AM Aug 2014

IDF Censor Tells NY Times It Cannot Report It Killed 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/08/02/idf-censor-tells-ny-times-it-cannot-report-it-killed-2nd-lt-hadar-goldin/

Yesterday, I reported that Hamas fighters had captured 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin in a Gaza ambush. I also reported that Hamas said it had lost contact with the team that captured Goldin and that the team and Goldin were presumed dead. My Israeli source revealed that the IDF survivors of the ambush had shot both Goldin and the Palestinian who tried to drag his wounded body away. The Hannibal Directive had been invoked, meaning the army used every means at its disposal including murder to prevent the taking of its soldiers. Today, Walla confirmed via the IDF that Goldin is dead.

In the hours following his capture, the IDF bombarded Rafah with heavy artillery and from the air in order to both take vengeance for the ambush which killed two senior officers; and to kill Goldin. Over 60 Gazans died. Though the IDF conceded Godin is dead. But it did not concede that it killed him and did so deliberately. That is why the army censor warned the Times about its reporting. Here is how the Times public editor reported it today:

"After the initial publication of this article, the military’s censor informed The New York Times that further information related to Lieutenant Goldin would have to be submitted for prior review. Journalists for foreign news organizations must agree in writing to the military censorship system to work in Israel. This was the first censorship notification The Times had received in more than six years.”

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the IDF does not want a major foreign media outlet to report that it killed its own. This passage too in the Times report would become terribly inconvenient when Goldin’s killing becomes better known:

His father, Simcha Goldin, said the family was confident the Israeli military would “not stop under any circumstances until they have turned over every stone in Gaza and have brought Hadar home healthy and whole.”

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IDF Censor Tells NY Times It Cannot Report It Killed 2nd Lt. Hadar Goldin (Original Post) Karmadillo Aug 2014 OP
Wait -- what? stranger81 Aug 2014 #1
They are trading editorial privileges for access. mattclearing Aug 2014 #2
Wow. How common is that? Do other states/entities exercise similar veto power stranger81 Aug 2014 #3
Yeah, the Pentagon nxylas Aug 2014 #9
Certainly the embedded reporters, no. stranger81 Aug 2014 #10
Those are 2naSalit Aug 2014 #13
That's been clear for some time. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #5
Yeah, but apparently not common Nevernose Aug 2014 #11
Also read: Gaza Crisis: 'Captured' Israeli Soldier Died In Airstrike On His Captors, Claim Hamas Purveyor Aug 2014 #4
We shouted from the roof tops about censorship in Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Now what kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #6
Well it appears the the Times is not the only place where censorship is being enforced by those in kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #7
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #8
kick and rec. m-lekktor Aug 2014 #12
Wait! The IDF killed their own soldier on purpose, and knew it, and then bombed Rafah? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #14
And the duplicitous LIARS apparently convinced both Obama and Kerry malaise Aug 2014 #15
Plus the soldier was likely captured by the Palestinians before the cease-fire cpwm17 Aug 2014 #17
Wait! You believe everything you read on the Internet? onenote Aug 2014 #22
This needs to be kicked until the cows come home. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #16
All of Israel's excuses for mass-murder are falling apart n/t cpwm17 Aug 2014 #18
Damn Aerows Aug 2014 #19
Richard Silverstein makes things up a lot oberliner Aug 2014 #20
If true, deliberately sacrificing their own for the cause would thus be taking place aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #21
The Hannibal Directive MinM Aug 2014 #23

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
2. They are trading editorial privileges for access.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:56 AM
Aug 2014

They want veto power on inconvenient reporting or no Israeli bureau, no visas, etc.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
3. Wow. How common is that? Do other states/entities exercise similar veto power
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:58 AM
Aug 2014

over stories relating to them?

No wonder our MSM reporting on Israel/Palestine is so jacked. One side is literally holding its thumb on the scales.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
10. Certainly the embedded reporters, no.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:24 AM
Aug 2014

But there are independent reporters covering conflicts we're involved in as well. And as far as I know, the U.S. doesn't require foreign reporters with U.S. bureaus to submit all of their stories about the U.S. military for prior DOD editorial scrutiny.

This just seems like an extraordinary arrangement to me, at least from a country that is not an outright military dictatorship.

2naSalit

(86,336 posts)
13. Those are
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:59 AM
Aug 2014

the reporters who are kidnapped, killed, held without notice to anyone outside of the offending government's control, disappeared... only to be found in some rubble pile with the intent of making it appear that "the enemy" was the cause of their demise. The convenience of hooded perps serves the purpose of propagandists in a number of cases where an incident is made to appear in a certain context that may or may not have been as it seemed.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
11. Yeah, but apparently not common
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:57 AM
Aug 2014

Most militaries have some sort of control ver what they allow to be reported about those militaries (in exchange for access).

According to the article, though, it's happened to the NYT exactly one time in six years.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
4. Also read: Gaza Crisis: 'Captured' Israeli Soldier Died In Airstrike On His Captors, Claim Hamas
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:25 AM
Aug 2014

Israel claimed that Second Lieutenant Hadar Goldin was kidnapped by Hamas an hour after a 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire was meant to come into effect.

Hamas denied holding the 23-year-old and instead claims it lost contact with its fighters following a clash in southern Gaza.

Their statement read: "We believe all members of this group have died in an strike, including the Zionist soldier the enemy says disappeared."

The Foreign Office was looking into claims that Lt Goldin held joint Israeli-British citizenship, although Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said "no evidence" had been found to confirm this.

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/494816/Gaza-crisis-Hamas-claim-Captured-Israeli-soldier-dead-in-airstrike

The BBC mentions this also in its report and can be found here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28627888

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
6. We shouted from the roof tops about censorship in Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Now what
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:34 AM
Aug 2014

The so-called only democracy in the ME censors reporting on their war crimes because they killed one of their own? How and why must we continue to support Israeli atrocities and censorship. We would not tolerate it from our own government. This is beyond outrageous!!

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
7. Well it appears the the Times is not the only place where censorship is being enforced by those in
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:42 AM
Aug 2014

control. Most of the on-line discussion forums have been inaccessible for discussing this. And surely no one is reporting that Goldin may have been killed by Israeli bombing. There are going to be some really dire consequences coming out of all of this. I feel deep pain for Gaza and the Israelis who are blinded by misdirected rage.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
14. Wait! The IDF killed their own soldier on purpose, and knew it, and then bombed Rafah?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:39 PM
Aug 2014

With the fake excuse they were trying to save him?

And then tried to censor the actual facts?

These fucking war criminals are even scummier than I thought. And I didn't really have a high opinion of them before.

malaise

(268,720 posts)
15. And the duplicitous LIARS apparently convinced both Obama and Kerry
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:42 PM
Aug 2014

that their BS lie was the truth. It also gave them the chane to slaughter 60 plus more Palestinians.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
17. Plus the soldier was likely captured by the Palestinians before the cease-fire
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:51 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025329216#post11

President Obama parroted Israel's claim that Hamas broke the cease-fire. It's always a mistake to believe anything that war mongers say.

This doesn't appear to be the first captured IDF soldier that Israel has deliberately killed.

The massacre was likely part of Israel's Dahiya Doctrine, in this case the deliberate targeting of civilians in revenge for the attack on the invading soldiers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025328671

onenote

(42,603 posts)
22. Wait! You believe everything you read on the Internet?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:23 PM
Aug 2014

Well, obviously not everything.
But apparently you believe a blogger from Seattle with a history of lying somehow has inside information about what went down in the tunnels that not one other person has.

Let''s talk about the terms of the bridge I want to sell you.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
16. This needs to be kicked until the cows come home.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:50 PM
Aug 2014

Israel murdered dozens of people in Rafah supposedly to search for the "captured" soldier it had already killed.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Richard Silverstein makes things up a lot
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:12 PM
Aug 2014

He's a blogger in Seattle that has been caught out several times on his less than complete commitment to accuracy.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
23. The Hannibal Directive
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:00 PM
Aug 2014
Greg Mitchell @GregMitch · If you missed: NYT cut reference to key "Hannibal Directive" in piece on dead soldier--under Israeli pressure? http://bit.ly/1xX5x8G


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