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Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:20 AM

Hamas versus IDF military strength

IDF

Tanks - 3, 870
Armoured vehicles - 9,436
Self propelled guns (artillery) - 706
Towed artillery - 350
Multiple launch rocket systems - 88

Fighter-interceptors - 243
Fixed wing aircraft - 244
Helicopters - 143
Attack helicopters - 48

Lots of ships, lots of ammo, bombs, missiles, etc.

All proudly Made in America, paid for by YOU.

HAMAS

Home made rockets, number unknown



http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=israel



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Reply Hamas versus IDF military strength (Original post)
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 OP
sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #1
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #21
oberliner Aug 2014 #2
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #4
bravenak Aug 2014 #3
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #6
bravenak Aug 2014 #9
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #10
bravenak Aug 2014 #11
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #5
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #7
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #13
BillZBubb Aug 2014 #35
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #45
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #17
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #18
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #20
JaneyVee Aug 2014 #28
backwoodsbob Aug 2014 #8
2naSalit Aug 2014 #14
Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #19
onenote Aug 2014 #31
IronGate Aug 2014 #12
EX500rider Aug 2014 #15
aikoaiko Aug 2014 #16
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #23
hack89 Aug 2014 #22
delete_bush Aug 2014 #24
oberliner Aug 2014 #26
delete_bush Aug 2014 #40
LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #25
JaneyVee Aug 2014 #27
LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #30
JaneyVee Aug 2014 #32
LostInAnomie Aug 2014 #34
Fozzledick Aug 2014 #29
onenote Aug 2014 #33
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #36
BillZBubb Aug 2014 #37
IronGate Aug 2014 #39
BillZBubb Aug 2014 #41
IronGate Aug 2014 #42
BillZBubb Aug 2014 #43
IronGate Aug 2014 #44
IronGate Aug 2014 #38

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:24 AM

1. Israel insults our President and SOS, 'warns' them not to 'second guess' him

on the powerful threat to his security,Hamas. Congress soon thereafter sends MILLIONS of our Tax Dollars to Israel as a reward.

Are we missing something BIG here?

Warn the POTUS about 'interference' in a Humanitarian Crisis, US Congress sends you money???

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:35 PM

21. You are missing nothing. You are witnessing rockets of propaganda.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:27 AM

2. Hamas rocket arsenal was estimated at over 10,000

 

Most were supplied by Iran, Syria, Lybia other non-state actors. A good deal made in Russia. Many, now, are longer range - capable of hitting Tel Aviv and other central Israeli cities. Hamas has actually bragged about their stock of Syrian M-302 missiles.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:42 AM

4. The stock of IDF weapons is overwhelming, but you already know that.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:41 AM

3. They NEED all that stuff!!

 

To drop bombs on UN shelters. Anybody notice the influx of one agenda posters? I have.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:44 AM

6. Yep, spy on America, insult America, slaughter people, lie relentlessly, get rearmed by America,

the propaganda is massive and turning out to be quite useless contrasted with the cordwoods of telegenically dead, and
the lunar landscape of Gaza City and now Rafah.

Missing soldiers are much more useful in killing sprees than dead soldiers is another lesson I have
learned from the Propaganda Masters of Israel.

The most dangerous place to be in Gaza is near children.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:51 AM

9. And when one side calls for genocide while bombing the shit out of civilians...

 

We cannot use the word genocide. And you can kill as many kids as you want as long as you say there was a terrorist using them as shields. Oh, and you can get three billion dollars and then twll the guy who authorized it to fuck off and not ever second guess you again. And everybody who blames the guy pulling the trigger for the dead bodies is an antisemite or someone who "just doesn't get it'.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:53 AM

10. Israel is not a fascist nation, that would be America, before our very eyes.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:54 AM

11. Well, we do supply the bombs and UN vetos.nt

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:43 AM

5. Then how smart is it to lob rockets?

And by the logic here, if Israel returned indiscriminate rocket fire with the same, you'd be fine with it.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:50 AM

7. As smart as lobbing sophisticated long range artillery directly on a shelter for children, GPS lock

provided 17 times by the school?

Twice.

Not to mention other schools, power plants, the only university, marketplaces, homes, places of worship, boys on beaches?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:08 PM

13. So, you agree that Hamas is murderous and stupid. Thanks for agreeing. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:11 AM

35. Keep dreaming Tatum.

How many Israeli civilians did Hamas murder since this mess started? How many Palestinians have the Israelis murdered--over 1000.

No one is agreeing with your propaganda point.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:40 AM

45. So those rockets were loaded with candy and roses.

Um, yeah.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:26 PM

17. If this line of logic were followed then the US couldn't have

have raided Osama bin Laden's compound armed with anything more than box cutters.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:27 PM

18. Suddenly war has to be "fair."

"Wait, hang on! You shot and killed the guy who just shot at you but missed! How fair is that?"

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:33 PM

20. And all those claiming Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza

(at the breakneck rate of a few dozen a day) are perfectly comfortable with providing cover for those who openly call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.

Their double standards betray them.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:17 AM

28. Not really. OBLs arsenal was unknown.

 

Israel knows Palestine's arsenal.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:51 AM

8. that being the case

 

you would think Hamas would have a better strategy than to take them on and provoke attacks

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:19 PM

14. Which makes me wonder...

just how many of those Hamas rockets are really actually fired by Hamas...?

Just wondering.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:30 PM

19. Yeah, it must be those sneaky Jews.

*rolls eyes*

Here's another thought so few are willing to consider: What if the ineptitude, disregard for their own people and shoddy weapons means a significant percentage of the civilian casualties come from Hamas rockets landing in Gaza?

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:25 AM

31. So when Hamas takes credit for rocket attacks, it's really lying?

And when it refuses to agree to a cease fire under which it would stop firing rockets into Israel, its because it doesn't do that?

Seriously -- are you related to Baghdad Bob?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:54 AM

12. Yeah? So? nt.

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:20 PM

15. "All proudly Made in America, paid for by YOU."

Actually no, they make most of their own weapons and are a major arms exporter.

Main battle tank, Israeli made Merkava (“Chariot”)
Small arms-main assault rifle: IMI Tavor TAR-21
Navy: Israeli built except for their subs which come from Germany.

We do supply them fighters and helicopters and some advanced munitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Israel

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:24 PM

16. All the more damning for Hamas and their dedication to killing israelis.



They have largely been unsuccessful, but its clear that they are dedicated to trying.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:40 PM

23. The ones not dedicated to killing are doing all the killing.....interesting fact according to some.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:35 PM

22. Confirming the fundamental irrationality of Hamas

Thanks.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:46 PM

24. HAMAS, Home made rockets, number unknown

Really?

Care to prove the rockets are "home made"?

I'm sure I'll hear back from you. NOT.

A completely worthless post, only confirming the desperation of those defending HAMAS.




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Response to delete_bush (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:02 AM

26. That is clearly just made up

 

Maybe the poster should google "Fajr-5".

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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:34 AM

40. He posts at 8:20am

and is out of here by 10:40am, clearly not interested in any sort of discussion. If this were an independent forum where folks of all political persuasions could post I'd call him a troll.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:56 PM

25. Chihuahuas shouldn't pick fights with Grizzly Bears.

Hamas must be a fine collection of idiots.

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Response to LostInAnomie (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:12 AM

27. America was once the chihuahua and Britain was the bear.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:24 AM

30. America was a chihuahua picking a fight...

... with an exhausted bear across the ocean. America also had another bear willing to help them. But, metaphor is running thin.

Getting back to the main point. If you are outmatched in every possible way with no actual plan for winning, it's probably not a good idea to lob rockets into the territory of one of the most powerful armies in the world. This is especially true if you are going to be lobbing these rockets from densely packed population centers.

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Response to LostInAnomie (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:26 AM

32. Some can only take so much oppression, desperation.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:46 AM

34. Well, if their suicidal goal is to get themselves killed...

... and take a bunch of others with them, they can consider it a total success.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:17 AM

29. About as meaningful as comparing Al Qaeda to the US Military

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:28 AM

33. "home made" rockets! Fred you're quite the comedian these days.

Yeah. A bunch of guys sitting around in a basement have manufactured rockets out of old fourth of july fireworks and toilet paper rolls.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:17 AM

36. Number unknown?

 

All ya gotta do is count

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:21 AM

37. It is amazing how the Israeli apologists are mocking Hamas' firepower.

Just a few weeks ago they were claiming how those rockets threatened Israel's very existence. Even now, they want Hamas exterminated because they are such a big threat - "they want to kill all the Jews!".

If Hamas is so "weak and stupid" then why is Israel murdering over a thousand innocent civilians to get to them? How is this weak group considered a threat to all the Jews in Israel?

The apologists have to abandon all logic and morality to support the evil that Israel is doing in Gaza. It is a sad thing to behold.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #37)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:31 AM

39. It is amazing how the Hamas apologists are failing to say how

 

the terror org Hamas hides among the civilian population, hides their rockets in civilian areas, use civilians as human shields.
Maybe the terror org Hamas should think twice next time before taking on a military that's much better equipped than they are.

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Response to IronGate (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:37 AM

41. It is amazing how the apologists keep flinging up rebutted Israeli propaganda.

Your post contains more BS than a cattle ranch.

And you didn't address my post, you tried as usual to change the subject.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #41)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:38 AM

42. Uh Huh.

 

The terror org Hamas hides among the civilian population.
The terror org Hamas hides it's munitions among the civilian population, including UN schools.
The terror org Hamas fires it's rockets into Israel from civilian areas.
Those are facts, no matter how much you want to ignore it .

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Response to IronGate (Reply #42)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:41 AM

43. That's right, rebutted.

The kids the Israelis murdered on the beach weren't human shields. The people in the UN refugee shelters weren't human shields. They were murdered in cold blood by Israel.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #43)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:42 AM

44. Uh huh.................not. nt.

 

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 01:26 AM

38. These are not home made rockets,

 

these are rockets supplied by Iran, Syria, etc.

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