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Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:06 PM

How do we know there are 1,726 Palestinians killed?

I know...I know....we heard it on the TV.

But, to look at the rubble from the bombings, there could be that many people buried under it?

And how do we know that 80% of them are civilians?


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Reply How do we know there are 1,726 Palestinians killed? (Original post)
kentuck Aug 2014 OP
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #1
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #8
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #9
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #11
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #12
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #14
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #15
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #16
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #19
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #22
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #26
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #28
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #29
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #31
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #32
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #34
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #36
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #37
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #38
2naSalit Aug 2014 #17
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #23
2naSalit Aug 2014 #24
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #35
2naSalit Aug 2014 #41
hrmjustin Aug 2014 #3
Rex Aug 2014 #4
WinkyDink Aug 2014 #5
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #6
LittleBlue Aug 2014 #7
notadmblnd Aug 2014 #10
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #13
4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #39
Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #44
notadmblnd Aug 2014 #49
Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #18
onecaliberal Aug 2014 #30
politicman Aug 2014 #20
NV Whino Aug 2014 #21
hack89 Aug 2014 #25
NV Whino Aug 2014 #27
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #33
hack89 Aug 2014 #42
Orrex Aug 2014 #43
notadmblnd Aug 2014 #46
justiceischeap Aug 2014 #47
CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #40
kentuck Aug 2014 #48
Iggo Aug 2014 #45

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:08 PM

1. Because they said so, duh.


Don't go questioning them, you muslim-hater.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:10 PM

2. Do you doubt the count?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:26 PM

8. I believe Hamas as much as I believe Israel

it amuses me that people who reflexively call bullshit on anything that even smells like
self-interest are willing to believe whatever Hamas says.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:29 PM

9. I think that it is healthy to question but it is clear that there was massive loss of life.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:32 PM

11. I'm sure there is massive loss of life, and I'm sure that Israel has not been very careful at times

...but this bullshit about them killing as many people as possible is exactly that, bullshit.

If they wanted to kill everyone, everyone would be dead.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:34 PM

12. They certainly killed a lot.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:36 PM

14. Since I consider more than one person "a lot," I agree utterly.


War is nasty business. If Hamas wouldn't hide behind the skirts of Palestinian women, it might be less nasty.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:38 PM

15. Hamas is guilty of war crimes and so is Israel.

 

I think Israel could have restrained itself.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:41 PM

16. I think they are restraining themselves but not always well.

It's a terrible situation, made worse by Hamas' fascination with launching rockets any and every chance they get.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:45 PM

19. I disagree they are restraining themselves. I think the pictures show thwt.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:48 PM

22. I don't think we have a good idea of what "restraint" would look like

other than "no civilian casualties."

Israel may be acting badly at times, but in no way will I believe they're trying to maximize death.

No easy outcome. We both know the rockets will resume as soon as Israel leaves.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:57 PM

26. Israel has iron dome so they could have been more restrained.

 

The Palestinians don't have that protection. Israel has a right to defend itself but this is vengeance.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:02 PM

28. Then what would have been appropriate? nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:03 PM

29. Remove the tunnels at their end. Not killing kids.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:09 PM

31. The tunnels were evidently not finished on their end.

So they were impossible to detect.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:10 PM

32. They could have limited their incursions.

 

Bombing UN schools was a complete crime.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:31 PM

34. "limited theior incursions"

Somehow I suspect that would have been regarded as a war crime, too.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:32 PM

36. Well whether it wax or not it is clear they have comitted them now.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:34 PM

37. The logic I've seen so far tells me that Israel shouldn't even fight with sticks

"They have the Iron Dome, so they should be able to tolerate rockets."

Good gravy. I have an immune system, but should I be injected by the flu virus whenever someone feels like it?

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:37 PM

38. So bombing un schools will solve the problems?

 

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:44 PM

17. Give 'em time

they are working on it while trying to maintain the victimhood stance... it's not easy to make it appear that way while annihilating an entire population with impunity... these appearances take time (and our money).

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:50 PM

23. If they were doing what you think they are

there'd be no need for a ground invasion. They'd just rocket them forever, because their rockets work.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:54 PM

24. IMHO...

the ground invasion is for show, and a few personnel loses to stir the sh*tpot.

But that's my opinion. They have learned, long ago, how powerful imagery is... and they use it well.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:32 PM

35. If you've learned the power of imagery

then your regard for Hamas and its PR must be substantial.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:51 PM

41. And that

is your opinion regardless of whether it is true (and it's not true).



Propaganda is a dangerous thing, those with the most resources usually gain the upper hand in the contest of imagery. I offer Fuxnooz and the four wealthiest wannabes in the US as well known examples.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:11 PM

3. There are likely hundreds buried under the rubble.

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:14 PM

4. How many did we kill when we flattened the homes of countless Iraqis?

 

You can be guaranteed of one thing, nobody in that area is going to look like liberators or have rose pedals thrown down at their feet. Looks like war to me. Supposedly war is something humans pretend they like to avoid to stay civilized, but I think humans are drawn to war like a moth to a flame.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:15 PM

5. Because only Israelis lie.

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:15 PM

6. "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

 

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:16 PM

7. They're all made up

 

Israel has the most moral artillery in the world.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:30 PM

10. Yep, and here's an example of their morality tweeted for all to see



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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:34 PM

13. looks fake to me. nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:39 PM

39. citation please

 

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Response to 4b5f940728b232b034e4 (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:46 PM

44. journal of my fucking eyeballs, vol. 1, Aug. 2014, p.1 nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:31 AM

49. It's really not so hard to believe. Especially when reading items such as this

JABALIYA, Gaza Strip —An examination of an Israeli barrage that put a line of at least 10 shells through a United Nations school sheltering displaced Palestinians here last week suggests that Israeli troops paid little heed to warnings to safeguard such sites and may have unleashed weapons inappropriate for urban areas despite rising alarm over civilian deaths

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/world/middleeast/international-scrutiny-after-israeli-barrage-strike-in-jabaliya-where-united-nations-school-shelters-palestinians-in-gaza.html?_r=1



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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:45 PM

18. Gaza has a population density of over 13000 people per square mile.

Gaza City has a population density of around 25000 people per square mile. Considering the levels of devastation wrought by Israeli artillery? The casualty figures are entirely credible.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:06 PM

30. Probably a lot more

dead in that rubble.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:48 PM

20. and this thread is exactly how the U.S media is complicit in Israels crimes...

 

because the U.N backs up that number. The U.N has people on the ground and they verified that number.

This is why America is always what I call the 'bitch' of Israel, the media is so corrupt in the U.S that they neglect to give you the information that the rest of the world knows about, and instead all you hear is the same tired crap of 'always believe anything Israel say, no matter how outrageous", and 'questions everything else that anyone in the world says, even the U.N'.

Shame.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:48 PM

21. Maybe, unlike the Iraq war dead, someone actually counted.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:56 PM

25. Hamas did the counting. Nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:00 PM

27. I have no doubt they did

We seem to lack counting skills.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:23 PM

33. So what's the count according to Israelis? nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:56 PM

42. Beats me

6 months from now we might get accurate figure s.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:06 PM

43. 1,726 armed Hamas soldiers, no doubt.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:39 PM

46. Funny how you never see any pictures of Hamas' soldiers though

isn't it? One would think that Israel would have all sorts of video documentation of Hamas committing crimes against Israel. Yet, I've not seen one photo.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #46)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:02 PM

47. To be fair, and I do not support the bombing of Gaza

you wouldn't see a Hamas soldier. They can't afford uniforms, let alone a "proper" military. They are mostly men and boys who live within the West Bank. I was trying to find a video I saw made by VICE but couldn't find the exact one. However, here's the link to videos on VICE about the conflict.

http://www.vice.com/tag/palestine

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:39 PM

40. "Just Saying" should be added to the weasel words' hall of shame.

Ya know, Just Saying.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:34 PM

48. edited for you.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:50 PM

45. You're right. That seems low.

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