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The National Socialist Movement, led by freakish Jeff Schoep (who refers to himself as a Commander), has decided to make Sanford, Florida, its new project in its quest to protect the oppressed white race from uppity, loud, angry, hostile, violent, murderous, thuggish black people.
Somebody needs to remind these demented zealots that the angry, hostile, violent, armed, murderous killer was a white Hispanic dude, George Zimmerman, and the one fearing for and ultimately losing his life was a young, unarmed, black 17-year-old, Trayvon Martin.
On Commander Schoeps website, www.nsm88.org, he trumpets his groups presence in Sanford, Florida, writing, in part:
The National Socialist Movement is currently organizing patrols ARMED, with the knowledge of the racial violence that is taking place in the Orlando, Sanford, areas of Seminole County Florida. We have been contacted by dozens of local citizens from the area whom are concerned for the safety of their families in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting. The counter response by the New Black Panther Party was to put a $10,000. dead or alive bounty out against the alleged Mexican gunman by the name of George Zimmerman . . . the New Black Panthers seemingly are getting a free pass from the Federal Government to openly call for the death of another person and charges against the individuals calling for the bounty have not been filed . . . If a White Citizens group openly called for the death of a specific individual, we would be locked up in a heartbeat! . . . The lawless declaration which is fostering further Racial tension in the Community, is of serious concern to White citizens. As citizens and neighbors dissolve along Racial lines, the possibility of further Racial violence in the Melting Pot is brimming over like a powder keg ready to explode into the streets. The National Socialist Movement for many years has publicly called for Racial separation, the melting pot of forced integration in America is a massive failure, and this is just one more example of a Racial issue about to explode! . . . Our mission continues, the counter response begins this weekend as we organize patrols who will be armed (with knowledge), covering various areas in Seminole County to insure White Citizens will be safe from any potential Racial violence . . . . (Emphasis added).
http://www.laprogressive.com/neo-nazis-patrolling/?utm_source=LA%20Progressive%20Newsletter&utm_campaign=69dd5b2266-LAP_News_19_July_2011_Live7_18_2011&utm_medium=email
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)Looks like they arrived early!
mmonk
(52,589 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)safeinOhio
(32,656 posts)used right here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117228511#post18
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)A skinhead neo-Nazi clown in Michigan posted on his Web site a claim that his group is organizing patrols for Sanford, but there are no verifiable reports of neo-Nazi boots on the ground in Sanford.
YouTube or current photos from Sanford or it didn't happen.
provis99
(13,062 posts)on this one, I actually believe the police. Most of the news stories claim the neo-Nazis "have said to be" patrolling Sanford.
Which proves the shitty quality of the rumor-mongering press we have today.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...given all the available technology. Or that bloggers would do a better job of fact-checking before they post nonsense.
safeinOhio
(32,656 posts)New Black Panther Party is about as real. All I could find is some nut case lawyer mentioned it and it was on a piece of paper at a memorial site. No place to claim it. Just another BS that people want to believe.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)We reach.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)can't say I'm surprised, though.
lacrew
(283 posts)The police in riot gear are wearing a different color shirt, than those of Sanford PD, in the 'Zimmerman at the police station' video.
And, it looks like two guys in the background are wearing heavy coats...that don't scream 'April in Florida' to me.
Yet, the photo is placed right beneath the headline, with no byline or notation where it is from.
There have to be alot of reporters in the area...an actual photo would be nice.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I need a shower...the way I got there
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/neo-nazi_patrolman_gives_inter.php
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Their original headline was both premature and misleading. It got parlayed into needless hysteria, as do so many false reports on the Web.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)WOW!
By the way, once again, they do not mostly want to be photographed and the media does not want to photograph them either... 'thing 'bout Skokie.
Yup, I had a local photo journalist explain that one... not quite a national standard, more like an agreement.
You will have to take my word for it that they have gone protesting in somewhat major events. But hey, I cannot show you the photo... DID NOT take it. For that matter nobody else did. I mean nobody else that might actually run it in an actual paper.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)And no sign of any guns whatsoever.
By the way, once again, they do not mostly want to be photographed...
What would be the point of them going somewhere and not making their presence known far and wide?
That's ridiculous.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But obviously you have never had any dealings with this particulate crowd. You go n and believe it's only two. If it makes you feel better none of us will stop you.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Not exactly an overwhelming presence.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)many do DOT want to be photographed.
And, as for the weapons, they have claimed that they will adhere to local ordinance. Freedom to brandish in AZ, not so in FL.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Why is this allowed?
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)So far, nobody has posted any photos of these "patrols." Some media outlet has fallen for this group's publicity. Go find a photo of them actually in Sanford. This is, I believe, and incorrect story, based on some half-baked plans by some half-baked neo-Nazi assholes. Worse, this is the nth posting of this on DU.
11cents
(1,777 posts)Has anyone actually seen these "armed patrols?" These clowns do have a history of talking big but out their ass. Pictures that have been posted have been from neo-Nazi demonstrations in other locations, at other times.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I've been looking. Some moron reporter ran with their promotion of this and reported it as though it were really happening. Of course, that story got picked up and is now all over the Internet. When I saw the original story, I saw that neither of the photos that ran with it were from Sanford. That made me suspicious right from the start. So far, I've seen no corroboration that any such thing is actually happening.
Just another Internet falsehood. It's getting harder and harder to find news you can trust, so I don't trust anything any more without independent corroboration.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and that's a good 35~40 minute drive if there's traffic but I have yet to hear anything on the news locally about this.
Not claiming our local news stations are top notch reporters or anything - they are mostly laughable at best - but you'd think they'd jump at a chance to blow something like that all out of proportion. At the very least the local Feaux channel would - I would think...
Haven't had a chance to drive up that way lately but if I get one I will look around.
Though finding skinheads near Sanford wouldn't be a huge shock depending which direction I came to town from...
derby378
(30,252 posts)It does seem like a lot of smoke...
Mopar151
(9,977 posts)Can't get up the gas money to get to Sanford Florida. Spent it all on more guns.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Maybe they couldnt raise bus fare from their kickstarter project.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)but so far, they haven't been seen.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)As to heavily armed, I bet they got Te same thing about my camera...I bet you could not tell I have it when driving around town.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)think Skokie. I got this explained to me by local media. It is not a national standard, more like an agreement. People hate to give them press, if you know what I mean.
But he can say they are heavily armed... they probably are... in their cars.
Call it a sneaky on this.
derby378
(30,252 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)But probably few, if any, firearms.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)I used to have a neo-Nazi who lived down the street from me in Altamonte Springs, which isn't far from Sanford. He was a member of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group. Reason I know is one day they distributed some of their "literature" on everyone's yard - basically a bunch of racist pamphlets. I did an internet search for National Alliance, and discovered one of their national leaders lived in my area.
So yes, it's reasonable to believe there is a neo-Nazi presence in this area - these people are scattered across the country. However, there are NO organized patrols involving these idiots, let alone heavily armed patrols. The article would have people believe that there are skinheads marching around with their swastikas, brandishing assault rifles - this simply is not true. They only wish they had the courage to do such a brazen act. These people are cowards, they love to operate in near anonymity.
Kaleva
(36,291 posts)I think the rest are well aware if they go too far, the mother of all shit storms will come raining down upon their heads.
Edit: NSM is sometimes referred to as being "Hollywood Nazis" by other, more hardcore neo-nazi groups.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and since Metzger had hell break lose and lost all kinds of things as well. Oh metzger was a tad more hard core too.