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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSet me straight. 21,496 Iraqis have been killed since we pulled out in 2011 and we did very little.
Now since ISIS/ISIL has arisen, we decide to resume our fighting. Are they any different than all the past insurgents? Other than being more successful? Will our military attacks help at all? Won't there just arise some other bunch of Sunni murderers? What if they win? Then won't some bunch of Shi'a murderers start?
We hosed this country (if you can call it a country). We don't need to continue the mistake. They need to fix it themselves. As long as they don't attack other countries we need to stay out! I don't count Syria. It has its own civil war and ISIS/ISIL is just part of it.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
malaise
(268,930 posts)That oil must be rescued
Enrique
(27,461 posts)the insurgents we had been fighting had tons of support, ISIS/ISIL has very little popular support. Of course, if we play our cards wrong our involvement could end up with them getting more support.
I have to be honest, my knowledge of the situation is pretty shallow, but that's how I see it.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)didn't drag in the Kurds or make explicit their desire to completely kill off every single person who wasn't exactly the "correct" kind of sunni.
I'm thinking Biden was more right than people knew, and that the nation of 'Iraq' created by Brits from three very separate groups of people was a really bad idea. Maybe they should have been allowed to separate out into three parts by ethnicity, with sunni ruling sunni, shia ruling shia, and kurd ruling kurd.
Hell, after a couple of hundred years, our own major division is full blown again, with half the country basically wanting to return to the Confederacy. We're at least not widescale killing each other, but we certainly don't get along well.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)the Sunnis wouldn't have any of the oil fields.
malaise
(268,930 posts)There are folks out there who would split up the US as well? Would you support that?
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)And split the US? Not now.
napi21
(45,806 posts)You gotta believe if Al Qieda rejected them because they were way to violent, that sure makes them really bad. I also don't recall hearing any group who made a common practice of beheading those who disagrred with them and then threatened others with those heads on a stick! There are a lot of unique things in this intervention. the Kurds have always been on our side and of course the Turks. Those 40,000 people isolated on that mountain top are a sect of the Kurds, and dropping food & water to them is something we should do for anyone, let alone those who are on our side in this mess. AFAIK the air strikes are to keep ISIS away from access to that mountain and give those stranded a shot at getting away and back to Kurdish terratory.
I believe the Prez. when he said we will NOT go back into Iraq to fight another war.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)The Shia's and Sunnis have been massacring each other in much larger numbers.
And what makes the Yazidi any different than all the other group in the world that we haven't protected from genocide?
Gman
(24,780 posts)Genocide and slaughter must not be allowed to exist.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Unless oil is involved. (notable exception is Bosnia)
napi21
(45,806 posts)Sadam Hussein. He was a rotten guy, but he DID keep the radically insane groups like ISIS controled. None of this would be happening if we had justt minded our own business. (Thank you GWB!)
randome
(34,845 posts)Forget about what Bush, Junior did that decimated that country unnecessarily. What is happening now and can we do anything to help?
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El Supremo
(20,365 posts)So we are the policeman of the whole world?
Most of the time we try to do that we fail miserably.