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Orrex

(63,200 posts)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:30 AM Apr 2012

Tell me why the rate on my gas bill is increasing even as we have a glut of domestic natural gas

I don't recall ever seeing an actual decrease in the rate, despite the boom in available natural gas, so where exactly is the money going?

Wasn't "cheaper domestic energay" the whole justification for fracking in the first place?


These are rhetorical questions, of course, because I know full well that the intent all along was to lower production costs in order to boost profits, But couldn't they, just once, be honest about it?


That last one was another rhetorical question.

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Tell me why the rate on my gas bill is increasing even as we have a glut of domestic natural gas (Original Post) Orrex Apr 2012 OP
because they can? zbdent Apr 2012 #1
Congress repealed the Law of Supply and Demand in 2005 gratuitous Apr 2012 #2
We could, but you alredy know. K&R Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #3
Why don't you call and ask them? badtoworse Apr 2012 #4
The profit motivation. They get it cheap and sell it high. In other words, greed is good. freshwest Apr 2012 #5
Gas company rates are approved by the Public Service Commission in virtually all states. badtoworse Apr 2012 #7
Wrong person. freshwest Apr 2012 #9
In Georgia my natural gas rate has gone down about 40% the last 4 years n2doc Apr 2012 #6
hey, it costs money to lobby congress and legislatures librechik Apr 2012 #8
why does a dog lick his nuts leftyohiolib Apr 2012 #10
Because he can! badtoworse Apr 2012 #11
What state are you in? What has been the change in rate? Mine has gone down significantly. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #12
That's right - where are you? ParkieDem Apr 2012 #13

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Congress repealed the Law of Supply and Demand in 2005
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:39 AM
Apr 2012

Practically unnoticed during the Terri Schiavo incident, Congress also introduced a 10 year moratorium on the "good for the goose, good for the gander" principle.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
4. Why don't you call and ask them?
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:14 PM
Apr 2012

Assuming that it is the commodity cost (i.e. the cost of the gas itself rather than delivery or other charges) that increased, it is likely that your gas company has long term contracts with gas suppliers that were executed at least several years ago when gas prices were rising. Such contracts frequently contain provisions that tie the price of gas to some published standard such the Consumer Price Index or the GDP Implicit Price Deflator. A contract that was signed 5 years ago may have a contract price, with escalation, that is substantially higher than the current spot price for gas which has fallen through the floor.

Gas companies typically use a portfolio approach to buying gas to secure a reliable supply and to protect against volatility in the spot price. The company will have a number of contracts of various lengths - some long term (greater than 10 years), some medium term (around 3 - 5 years) and some short term (6 months - 2 years). The company will also buy some gas on the spot market, but this is risky because the spot price can be very volatile. In 2001, the spot price hit $14 per MCF, whereas today, the spot price is about $2 per MCF. If your gas company has contracts in place, your commodity cost should come down as these contracts roll off and are replaced with contracts based on current, oversupplied conditions.

If you do call them, I'd be interested to hear what they tell you.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. The profit motivation. They get it cheap and sell it high. In other words, greed is good.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:23 PM
Apr 2012

If you start whining about honesty, fairness, regulation or making things work for everyone, you'll be labeled a heretic to the great American god of capitalism.

You are getting into the region of thought crimes. Watch out, you'll be locked up as a socialist or something.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
7. Gas company rates are approved by the Public Service Commission in virtually all states.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:26 PM
Apr 2012

If there are any exceptions, I'm not aware of them. The gas company can't just charge whatever it wants.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. In Georgia my natural gas rate has gone down about 40% the last 4 years
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:25 PM
Apr 2012

It has been the only energy related thing that has gone down.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
8. hey, it costs money to lobby congress and legislatures
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:27 PM
Apr 2012

to get subsidies and price increases, while continuing dependence on the dirtiest forms of industrialized energy. The public is going to fight us!!!

ParkieDem

(494 posts)
13. That's right - where are you?
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:43 PM
Apr 2012

In Texas, gas rates have gone down by almost half over the past couple of years. Unlike electricity, gas here is still regulated, and if the general wholesale price of gas goes down, the gas company is required to lower your rate.

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