Cartoon: Press conference: "We Tortured Some Folks" - byTom Tomorrow

[kpete]

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/11/1320455/-Cartoon-Press-conference

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. The original sin of the Obama Administration.

Sweeping the war crimes of the prior administration under the rug.

[whatchamacallit]

18. That was when my hope changed n/t

[NealK]

41. Same here. n/t

[cwydro]

47. Ditto. nt

[Crash2Parties]

27. What could they do?

After all it was, "off the table". It's not like when he first came into office the Dems had a majority in the house and senate...

Oh, wait.

[sulphurdunn]

30. At that point

it became impossible even for someone as ethically challenged as me to remain an Obama enthusiast.

[billhicks76]

35. Nailed It

We were swindled.

[grahamhgreen]

37. Which led is back to Iraq:)

[yurbud]

45. except, as this reminds us, to go after the whistleblowers of those crimes like

Manning, Kiriakou, and Snowden

[imthevicar]

46. Bravo!

[PowerToThePeople]

2. We are such an evil nation. n/t

[morningfog]

3. Recommend. Tom Tomorrow nails it again.

[n2doc]

4. These are depressing times to be a progressive

Our President seems to be going full neocon in his security policy, his apparent successor seems to be going full neocon in all aspects, and the country seems to be continuing its slide towards total RW domination of Congress. Help!

[billhicks76]

36. Democrats Fault

Expect more of the same if we allow the vocal centrist sell outs in our party to dominate leadership and media positions.

[NealK]

42. +1

[arcane1]

5. Tom can really spell it all out sometimes. This is one of those times.

[BrotherIvan]

6. There is no nuance in this cartoon

Therefore it is unrealistic. The Republicans will be mad at this cartoon. Therefore we should all smile and clap.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

21. The Sensible Centrists aren't too thrilled, either.

Although much of The Swarm has been conspicuously absent lately...

[BrotherIvan]

22. Glad I didn't need the sarcasm smiley

[WorseBeforeBetter]

23. Nope. Just smile, clap, and sweep torture under the rug...

for if we hadn't, we wouldn't have gotten (shitty) healthcare "reform" and the economy would not have "recovered." The Big O actually used the word "torture," and we all should be satisfied with just that. God Bless pragmatic progress, and the good ol' U S of A!

[BrotherIvan]

26. Ah, you finally love Big Brother

Good for you!

[grahamhgreen]

38. Yeah, where are they? Happy with Iraq War III, I reckon.

[NealK]

43. I haven't seen the blue links Professional in a while...

They retired, maybe?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

52. I'm not sure "they" is even a "they."

One example:

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5237593

And another:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4679067

[bullwinkle428]

49. I'm waiting on pins and needles for the series of links that PROVE!!1!

that Tom Tomorrow is a 'secret Klansman'!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

7. So sad

and Gitmo is still open for business.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. Once it led to the Oval Office in the Bush Administration it got a pass....

Because Democrats are terrified of being accused of being partisan.

[lark]

13. The use of the word "Democrats" seems overly broad.

This administration is terrified of being seen as partisan - that's 100% the truth and sadly we've seen this again and again. Recently, Obama has started telling more of the truth about the perifidty of the other side, but more is still needed. He also needs to totally stop listening to the neocons. They were wrong then, they are wrong now.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. The Sunday shows need to stop booking them.

[another_liberal]

29. "They were wrong then, they are wrong now. "

Truer words were never uttered.

[lark]

53. Thank you!

[grahamhgreen]

39. To restate: the Democrats are terrified of being labelled Democrats.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. Especially by Democrats.

[OnyxCollie]

10. We tortured some folks. It's not like it's a big deal.

DU's Pragmatist Patrol finds no fault and actually thinks it's a good thing.

"I think that the president's decision, supported by Nancy Pelosi and many Democrats, in 2010 to "look forward" and not backward was justifiable ethically as well as in practical terms."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5332429

Pfft. It's just torture.

[cui bono]

19. Later they said:

"I don't like the dismissive language Obama used at all, but as I said, for me that's secondary to the astonishing admission this president made."

So I guess admitting it is so astonishing that prosecuting it would be meaningless.

I had someone (who I hear claims they are a lawyer) tell me that we need to find out why they did it, that prosecution is not a deterrent, the only way to stop it is to have a moral discussion about it.

[OnyxCollie]

20. When all else fails,

appeal to the non-rational, i.e. tradition, religion, patriarchal authority.

[WillyT]

11. K & R !!!

[Martin Eden]

12. Too close to the truth

In fact, so damn close it is essentially what the president said when you read between the lines.

[yurbud]

14. and Democrats wonder why they still lose to Republicans

when you apologize for and continue the worst of opponents policies, it's no wonder voters can be apathetic or easily misled.

Incremental change is tough for the casual observer to detect, and when you enact your opponents policy ideas, the public doesn't notice the irony of the opponents not helping or applauding.

They only see whether the policy works or its flaws in practice, and if the opponents who crafted the policy in the first place criticize it, the public suspects the critics might be right.

Democrats massively screwed the pooch by not calling things as they really were and acting accordingly after winning the back Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008.

[indepat]

28. The high crimes of the previous administration have been sanctioned and swept under the rug,

so has it thereby forever cast our government as a ruthless right-wing rogue superpower void of principle, humanity, common decency?

[chervilant]

51. Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

15. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[bigtree]

16. but, but, I *trust* my president

. . . he knows better than some cartoonist.

[littlemissmartypants]

24. I took a test. I am supposed to be in the green party.

Who is president of that right now?

Seriously.

He is all we have until 2016.

Deal.

GOTV14

Love, Peace and the Righteous Fight. Lmsp

[littlemissmartypants]

25. Kicking. Thank you. nt

[99Forever]

31. And the President will do nothing.

This moral failure on his part to start his 1st term, stunned me and changed my entire view of him. It opened my eyes.

[Octafish]

32. Oh well! What can you do?

The Dow is at 17,000, which is the important thing.

[blkmusclmachine]

33. YAY! for sanctimony!!!

[DirkGently]

34. Get out of my head, Tom Tomorrow. n/t

[NealK]

44. K&R

[Scuba]

48. Nailed it.

"No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." ~ Lily Tomlin

[Overseas]

50. Sad K&R.

[Solly Mack]

54. K&R

[ZombieHorde]

55. K&R&NT