Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:16 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
The biggest damned flame
In Judaism, the candle's flame is a metaphor for the soul.
Flames, like souls, come in large and small. Some burn steady and boring, some dance about with a special light. They light our world for a time, then go out. When I heard that Robin Williams had left us today, my immediate thought was that the biggest damned flame I'd ever seen had gone out. I first knew of Robin from his stand-up comedy, back in the 1970s. His particular flame was an ammo depot caught fire, a cacophony of great explosions and whooshes turning night into day. Mork and Mindy next, execrable save for Robin's brilliance, although it had been toned down to a roman candle for general public consumption. Then Garp, a movie loved by exactly one Earthling (me) followed by a string of movies of varying brilliance. Through masterpiece and dreck, Williams' light always shined bright. His eyes twinkled. He was alive, dammit! Alive! Comedy and depression, I think, come from the same place, both from an acute meta-awareness of the human condition. Life is funny as hell. Life is wrenching. We don't get the Yin without an equal portion of Yang, it all needs to balance. Williams was as tuned in as anyone to the comedy in this world, he must have been equally tuned in to the tragedy. As do most people blessed and cursed with this ability, he groped around to dull the sharpness, turning to drugs and drink. Today he turned to the off switch. @#$%. I saw a photo of Robin in the past few weeks, on the Web somewhere, someone saw him on the street and snapped a shot. Before then, I'd never seen a photo of Robin where the flame wasn't burning bright in his eyes, but this time the lights looked pretty dim. I hoped it was just an episode of crappy candid Internet photographs, but apparently it wasn't. I don't know where this all goes, and I've rambled enough through this quasi-cathartic mess of a post. I will miss Robin, I think many will. It's so sad that he's left, so sad that he felt had to leave this way. Besides exploding ammo depots, here's the other thing I thought of when I heard of Robin's departure, a beautiful song. It's not really appropriate, but it sorta is. In any case, this is the Internet so I can post any thing I want. Peace.
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MannyGoldstein | Aug 2014 | OP |
littlemissmartypants | Aug 2014 | #1 | |
rhett o rick | Aug 2014 | #2 | |
DonCoquixote | Aug 2014 | #3 | |
WillyT | Aug 2014 | #4 | |
Fearless | Aug 2014 | #5 | |
MannyGoldstein | Aug 2014 | #16 | |
rickyhall | Aug 2014 | #25 | |
MannyGoldstein | Aug 2014 | #32 | |
senseandsensibility | Aug 2014 | #6 | |
lumpy | Aug 2014 | #7 | |
bigtree | Aug 2014 | #8 | |
FrodosPet | Aug 2014 | #9 | |
RufusTFirefly | Aug 2014 | #20 | |
MannyGoldstein | Aug 2014 | #22 | |
RufusTFirefly | Aug 2014 | #23 | |
tclambert | Aug 2014 | #26 | |
MannyGoldstein | Aug 2014 | #30 | |
Warren DeMontague | Aug 2014 | #10 | |
Uncle Joe | Aug 2014 | #11 | |
bluesbassman | Aug 2014 | #12 | |
ChisolmTrailDem | Aug 2014 | #13 | |
TDale313 | Aug 2014 | #14 | |
Enthusiast | Aug 2014 | #15 | |
KoKo | Aug 2014 | #17 | |
Jefferson23 | Aug 2014 | #18 | |
Paladin | Aug 2014 | #19 | |
indepat | Aug 2014 | #21 | |
Richard D | Aug 2014 | #24 | |
EEO | Aug 2014 | #27 | |
SheilaT | Aug 2014 | #28 | |
Louisiana1976 | Aug 2014 | #29 | |
navarth | Aug 2014 | #31 |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:30 PM
littlemissmartypants (19,832 posts)
1. Well done, Manny.
Your words help heal my heartache.
Peace, Love and Shelter. Lmsp ![]() |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:50 PM
rhett o rick (55,981 posts)
2. Thanks
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:01 AM
DonCoquixote (13,475 posts)
3. I salute you
We needed a lot of his light.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:05 AM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
4. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:07 AM
Fearless (18,421 posts)
5. For me it was similar
First it was Carlin several years ago. Now him. Two very big lights gone out in the world. For liberal causes, yes, but just as a good person, even more so.
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Response to Fearless (Reply #5)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:26 AM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
16. Also Lou Reed, for me
There are certain people who just "get it". Bodhisattvas, perhaps, gaining enlightenment. Their brightness in life makes the darkness of their passing that much more noticeable.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:07 PM
rickyhall (4,889 posts)
25. John Lennon was the first flame to go out for me
I thought my dad had beaten crying out of me till John was murdered.
And my ex drug that out in our custody trial, which I lost, of course. |
Response to rickyhall (Reply #25)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:40 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
32. I remember that night so clearly
So striking.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:08 AM
senseandsensibility (14,088 posts)
6. I become almost inarticulate when I am sad.
I'm glad that you and other Duers, such as Will Pitt, don't. I find some outlet for my feelings, which I would probably just keep inside.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:22 AM
lumpy (13,704 posts)
7. Lovely post, thanks so much. Love McLeans tribute to Van Gogh, the best of the artists.
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:35 AM
bigtree (82,448 posts)
8. 'Flames, like souls, come in large and small'
. . . very nice.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:47 AM
FrodosPet (5,169 posts)
9. I must make one correction
There was NOT just one Earthling who loved Garp. I absolutely thought it was brilliant.
Alas, the same powers of observation and extrapolation and exaggeration that makes one humorous are also the ones that allow one to see and feel the darkness and isolation and injustice that permeates the world. May his artistry last for the remainder of humanity's days on this rock. |
Response to FrodosPet (Reply #9)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:59 PM
RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)
20. Another Earthling checking in
Already someone who eschewed most television by then, I wasn't influenced by Mork and Mindy when I first saw an advance screening of "The World According to Garp" in Ithaca, NY. I'd heard of Williams but had never seen him. A fan of the book, I still thought the movie and Williams' performance were wonderful. Great comedians are capable of conveying great pathos, perhaps because they don't have to dig all that deep before they reach it.
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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #20)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:19 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
22. Ithaca?
Cornell?
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #22)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:26 PM
RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)
23. Yes.
I was loosely affiliated with Cornell at the time but not a student.
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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #9)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:34 PM
tclambert (10,949 posts)
26. "Honey, the chances of another plane hitting this house are astronomical. It's been pre-disastered."
That's all I remember of the movie.
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Response to tclambert (Reply #26)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:27 PM
MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)
30. And the Ellen James Society?
That might be a good one to forget!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:48 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
10. K&R
Well said.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:48 AM
Uncle Joe (54,870 posts)
11. Robin was an "exploding ammo depot" and I agree regarding comedy and depression
coming from the same place, no doubt the pathos became too much for Robin to bear.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:02 AM
bluesbassman (18,623 posts)
12. We can find the greatest joy in creativity...
But sometimes the ash that's left from passion that burns hot enough to make that creativity brilliant is enough to smother us.
I'm grateful for the legacy of joy left by Robin for all of us to enjoy, but deeply saddened that his passion consumed him. RIP Robin Williams. |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:07 AM
ChisolmTrailDem (9,463 posts)
13. K & R, Manny. Some of your best writing right here. Thank you. nt
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:32 AM
TDale313 (7,749 posts)
14. K&R
Thank you, Manny. Beautiful post.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:22 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
15. Well done, Manny!
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:09 AM
KoKo (84,711 posts)
17. Wonderful Post....Thanks...
![]() These are such frustrating/harsh times .... One's hopes for the future, generational beliefs and foundations are being sorely challenged these days. Given Robin's background, political alignment and body of work...it had to be tough to deal with the news events these days. He left us lots of good memories... |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:17 AM
Jefferson23 (30,099 posts)
18. I feel one aspect of his genius/artist/comic was due to his honesty..brilliantly framed words
and always honest. Forever missed.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:21 AM
Paladin (26,284 posts)
19. Well put. (nt)
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:24 PM
indepat (20,899 posts)
21. Profound, Manny. Kudos.
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:22 PM
Richard D (8,146 posts)
24. A beautiful tribute
Thank you.
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Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:07 PM
SheilaT (23,156 posts)
28. One of the loveliest songs ever.
It is fitting as a remembrance of Robin Williams.
Usually I am not particularly moved by the death of someone famous whom I've never met, but for some reason I am feeling especially sad over this loss. |
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:16 PM
Louisiana1976 (3,962 posts)
29. Beautiful post. Bravo.
Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:34 PM
navarth (5,927 posts)
31. Mr. Goldstein, this is one of your best posts ever.
And you have had some really great ones.
I think we'll all miss Robin forever. |