Why is it when GOP philosophy fails so completely..

[edhopper]

whether it is destroying another country like Iraq, or destroying the Economy, or destroying a State like Kansas or leaving millions without Health Care or denying millions the right to vote or, or or...
There is never an acknowledgement that it is indeed a failure?

[dawg]

1. Conservatism cannot fail. It can only *be* failed.

If only Kansas had been bold enough to cut taxes more, the runaway Laffer Curve effect would have taken off for sure.

[Wounded Bear]

2. The Laffer curve is...

probably the most aptly named economic/philosophical strategy in history.

[DetlefK]

5. Exactly. The GOP has failed because it wasn't pure enough and had all those RINOS.

[hifiguy]

13. Eeyup.

You have it in a nutshell, dawg.

[quaker bill]

30. There is truth here

Conservatism is taken most literally by those who believe in "Original sin". Therefore the idea can never fail, we can just come up short of the ideal.

[mindwalker_i]

3. One has to ask what the real goal is

... and whether it has been met. Republican economics isn't designed to make the economy work better. Their policies aren't meant to help people get health care and not die. As for voting, they aren't trying to solve the problem of voter fraud, they're trying to solve the problem that it's hard for them to get elected.

[mercuryblues]

4. +1

[edhopper]

6. This is true,

and i don't expect these fascistic assholes to admit they are trying to make an Oligarchy. But it would be goo d if someone in the MSM or a Dem besides Sanders or Warren would point it out.

Instead the people who were and continue to be wrong about everything are treated as elder statesmen.

[Wounded Bear]

10. Well said...

After all, Reganomics is actually working quite well. It is, after all, a system designed to create wealth at the top, and has no plan about what to do about anything else.

[hifiguy]

14. The real goal

is abundantly apparent to anyone who can put the pieces together - a modern fusion of fascism and feudalism combined with the Divine Right of The Rich to do whatever the fuck they want TO whomever the fuck they want to do it.

[mindwalker_i]

18. I tend to think it's more pragmatic for the Repubs

They want to get money to the rich and corporations because some of that will come back as campaign contributions. In turn, that helps Republicans get re-elected and continue on their path to become lobbyists afterwards and become (more) rich. The questions as to whether it helps or hurts the rest of America - the middle and lower classes - don't enter into the equations. If making people more desperate to take low-paying, shitty jobs helps corporations, then Republicans are all for it, not because they actively want to hurt poor people but simply because it helps donors, who then help said Republicans in their goals.

If this all results in fascism and feudalism, so be it as long as it keeps the campaign contributions coming. In other words, Republicans don't care whether America works.

[hifiguy]

19. In the tactical sense you are right.

It is also clear that the dearest strategic desire of most of the 1% is a fascist/feudal state.

[edhopper]

20. Yes

but no one in the MSM and most Dems for that matter ever talk about this.
They are never taken to task for their failures or their true agenda.

[mindwalker_i]

23. Exactly

We (democrats) keep arguing the issues that Republicans are putting forward, but those aren't the real issues, at all. Repubs can't talk about the real issues - wanting to give money to the rich so it comes back as campaign contributions - because they'd lose. People would be pissed. But those are the issues we SHOULD be talking about. Yeah, they'll kick and scream.

[deutsey]

33. David Stockman said Reaganomics was a trojan horse

intended to increase deficits to such an extent that New Deal programs would have to be cut or eliminated all together (our beloved austerity), while wealth is redistributed upward to the Haves and Have Mores.

http://flaglerlive.com/8577/david-stockman-reagan-nixon-bush-trickledown/

Back in 1981 David Stockman was the wonderkid of the Reagan administration–the director of the Office of Management and Budget who’d craft in actual budgets the trickle-down miracle Reagan had promised on the campaign trail: lower budgets, lower spending, higher tax revenue. But trickle-down economics was a wish, not a reality. It’s never worked. Lower taxes don’t generate more revenue. They generate deficits.

Reagan knew it. So did Stockman. So did their guru, Friederich von Hayek. The deficits were intentional all along. They were edsigned to “starve the beast,” meaning intentionally cut revenue as a way of pressuring Congress to cut the New Deal programs Reagan wanted to demolish. “The plan,” Stockman told Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan at the time, ” was to have a strategic deficit that would give you an argument for cutting back the programs that weren’t desired. It got out of hand.”

[global1]

7. And With All This Failure By The GOP Talked About In This Thread - How Is It That......

the talk is that they will take the Senate and maintain the House in Nov? They are on the wrong side of just about every issue. Look at the other responses in this thread to see their failure.

How - how - how - could the American People re-elect and elect these failures? I just don't get it.

I've talked with enough Repubs that are disgusted with their own Party. They are talking about either sitting out in Nov or voting Dem.

Yet the MSM continues to push that the Repubs are poised to take the Senate and maintain the House.

Is that wishful thinking on their part? Is the MSM just trying to make us think that because they want to make the election season interesting? Are they trying to convince Dem voters that it is hopeless and they should just stay home and not vote?

Just like we hear that there are many Dem voters that will sit Nov out because they just don't have the fire in their belly like the Repub voters do - aren't there a lot of Repub voters that have soured out on their Party and will sit Nov out?

[edhopper]

11. A lot of voters are idiots

they are moderates but are blind to how radical the Repugs they elect are.

[unblock]

8. fail? when has it failed?

their philosophy is to further enrich those already rich people willing to play the political contributions game by passing off whatever cover story sticks well enough to let them get away with it.

so far they've been a huge success. so much so that their cover stories are increasingly hard to sell to vast majority of people on the short end of their stick.

[edhopper]

9. True

but the publicly stated goals as they implement these policies are a disaster from which we hear silence.

[unblock]

21. if you listen carefully, you can hear the rich people laughing.

"lower taxes lead to higher revenues!"
"i can't believe they bought that!"

"we fight wars for anything other than profit!"
"as if we cared about anything other than profit!"

"obamacare is socialism!"
"if this is socialism, bring it on because we're getting rich off it!"


of course the publicly stated goals are a disaster!
they're not meant to last any longer than any other fly-by-night business.
oops, my republican promise broke and i only just took it out of the box!

[edhopper]

22. The silence is from everyone

other than who this benefits.
It's like talk of inequity without pointing out the policy of the US has been to broaden inequity for the last 35 years.

[Populist_Prole]

12. "God & Guns"

The governing failure of the GOP is not of any real relevance to so much of its base, as the non-rich part of its base support them mostly over single issue social issues.

[edhopper]

15. But it's not there base

which is maybe 25% of voters. It's the unthinking independents who elect them.

[Populist_Prole]

16. Maybe, but I doubt it

I can't imagine they can get enough support to win an election ( we're talking raw numbers....votes ) with even every single one-percenter, and so-called independents. No, social conservatives are more than just a quarter of the electorate.

[edhopper]

17. I am not sure

I was referring to registered Republicans.
I don't know the data for what you are saying.

[TheKentuckian]

24. It is a hard data set to access because it is hard to divide them from the independents

that most seem obsessed with defining as in between Democrats and Republicans for their own purposes and to a lesser extent from some who are registered as Democrats but seldom or never vote that way that bolster the real life applicable numbers (which can't actually be offset by the Republicans that do the same because of sheer volume making a similar percentage actually be a very different actual number.

I have no clue how one would even begin to figure out a who's who on economic and/or foreign policy conservatism the lines are too muddled and conflicting for any accuracy in self selection.

[edhopper]

25. One thing I do know

they never see the connection of the people they vote for and the shit these officials do to them.

[MrScorpio]

26. Being a right wing Republican means never having to say you're incompent...

And they're never sorry about that incompentence either. Just throw the blame at the nearest helping Democrat and hope it sticks.

[edhopper]

27. And the MSM

seems to go right along. Asking the Dems if the repuke is right, rather than correcting the bullshit they spew.

[MrScorpio]

28. Bingo! nt

[tridim]

29. But the media polls on the issue and gleefully reports the results...

Results that prove at least half of Americans are as dumb as rocks, and completely wrong.

Do that enough and people start believing poll results are the truth.

[CanonRay]

31. The same reason they never resign when caught doing something wrong

[Scuba]

32. It's good when your side owns all the major media.