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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:04 PM Aug 2014

This Is The Terrifying Result Of The Militarization Of Police

by PAUL SZOLDRA



While serving as a U.S. Marine on patrol in Afghanistan, we wore desert camouflage to blend in with our surroundings, carried rifles to shoot back when under enemy attack, and drove around in armored vehicles to ward off roadside bombs.
We looked intimidating, but all of our vehicles and equipment had a clear purpose for combat against enemy forces. So why is this same gear being used on our city streets?

Putting aside what started the protests for a moment, it's worth discussing the police response to the outrage. In photos taken on Monday, we are shown a heavily armed SWAT team.

They have short-barreled 5.56-mm rifles based on the military M4 carbine, with scopes that can accurately hit a target out to 500 meters. On their side they carry pistols. On their front, over their body armor, they carry at least four to six extra magazines, loaded with 30 rounds each.


"Why do these cops need MARPAT camo pants again," I asked on Twitter this morning. One of the most interesting responses came from a follower who says he served in the Army's 82nd Airborne Division: "We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/police-militarization-ferguson-2014-8

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This Is The Terrifying Result Of The Militarization Of Police (Original Post) n2doc Aug 2014 OP
After 9/11 we all became enemy combatants or enemy non-combatants. Rex Aug 2014 #1
I can't add a single syllable to improve that post. arcane1 Aug 2014 #4
It's fascism. morningfog Aug 2014 #2
This. ^^^ CrispyQ Aug 2014 #47
it's terrifying tk2kewl Aug 2014 #3
Exactly what is going on. TPTB are afraid too many Americans are fed up with the dream. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #30
I mentioned before that the cops were better armed than the military Savannahmann Aug 2014 #5
I seriously think it goes over most Americans heads. They just don't get it, how sh** like RKP5637 Aug 2014 #32
They are clueless and don't care tom_kelly Aug 2014 #38
Much as the good Germans in WWII that thought the rising of Hitler was just a fad. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #40
Clearly the general public is the enemy. lpbk2713 Aug 2014 #6
They get away with murder... kentuck Aug 2014 #12
SS stormtroopers on American streets gyroscope Aug 2014 #7
One big difference... kentuck Aug 2014 #8
We are their enemy n2doc Aug 2014 #9
Yep. kentuck Aug 2014 #11
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Aug 2014 #15
^^This^^ 99Forever Aug 2014 #20
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Aug 2014 #24
See #6 IDemo Aug 2014 #10
It's way over the top Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #13
Mayberry R. Fuckin. D. Motherfuckers... Blue Owl Aug 2014 #14
We've all become "the enemy" Warpy Aug 2014 #16
Whatever happened to courage? GitRDun Aug 2014 #17
This is a pic of an early confrontation n2doc Aug 2014 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #18
Just being armed & dressed like that must get these guys so fired up and paranoid. Divernan Aug 2014 #21
To "Protect And Serve" The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks cantbeserious Aug 2014 #22
+100000 Our government has chosen sides, woo me with science Aug 2014 #42
If the street gangs decide to go to war with these police, I bet on the gangs... Moostache Aug 2014 #23
Well that's the thing. Will civilians start firing back or firing first? Izzat what the pigs want? L0oniX Aug 2014 #27
One of them was screaming.. "....bring it your fuckin animals..." to a crowd of black protesters uponit7771 Aug 2014 #25
but, but, we don't live in a police state!!! KG Aug 2014 #26
Where are all the Tea Party protesters? CaptainTruth Aug 2014 #28
This country is headed down an extremely dangerous path. I fear far too many Americans have RKP5637 Aug 2014 #29
This is how it begins. Stonepounder Aug 2014 #33
Often the US reminds me now of Germany WWII and the SS. Same type of individuals exist here, names RKP5637 Aug 2014 #36
And/or 2naSalit Aug 2014 #45
Horrified K&R. Overseas Aug 2014 #31
Just an observation, the police are all white, very telling IMO. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #34
That's so rich white people will feel safe. Those black cops could switch sides. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #39
To those who dismiss the NSA surveillance breaches, this is the same treatment. riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #35
This is all to make rich people feel safe from poor people. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #37
A war on American citizens damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #41
$$$$$$$$ SalviaBlue Aug 2014 #43
And terror is the point. woo me with science Aug 2014 #44
Yeah don't we just suck ass! lonestarnot Aug 2014 #46
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. After 9/11 we all became enemy combatants or enemy non-combatants.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:07 PM
Aug 2014

IMO, this is just the next step up in the War on Drugs(Poor People).

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. It's fascism.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:08 PM
Aug 2014

Boot thug nobodies using left-over instruments of war on US citizens. It is designed to instill fear. This is all about control.

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
47. This. ^^^
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:13 AM
Aug 2014

They are letting us know that everything is in place should we decide to get uppity. Be good little proles & we won't have to crack your heads open & put you in detention camps.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
5. I mentioned before that the cops were better armed than the military
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:15 PM
Aug 2014

No one seemed to care then about the potential for these kinds of scenes.

Is anyone but me worried now?

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
32. I seriously think it goes over most Americans heads. They just don't get it, how sh** like
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:56 PM
Aug 2014

this can overtake and destroy a country. There are many examples, but so many Americans seem so damn clueless.

tom_kelly

(957 posts)
38. They are clueless and don't care
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:18 PM
Aug 2014

keep them pumped up on sugar, soda, fast food, and night-after-night brain dead teevee programming and their knowledge level of current events is right where they want them to be = close to zero

lpbk2713

(42,750 posts)
6. Clearly the general public is the enemy.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:18 PM
Aug 2014



As they see it ... everyone is a bad guy. They just haven't all been caught yet.


n2doc

(47,953 posts)
9. We are their enemy
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:23 PM
Aug 2014

They work for the 1%. Notice how berserk they got when some of "their" property was stolen and/or damaged. Compare their response to that given to Clive Bundy and his buddies in Nevada.

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
16. We've all become "the enemy"
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 07:58 PM
Aug 2014

to militarized police. Think about that. They're the occupying force and we're the civilians who get in the way or who need to be either liquidated or pacified.

In the coming years, it will be seen that white skin gives no one a pass.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
17. Whatever happened to courage?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:00 PM
Aug 2014

There's not one management level cop with the stones to work an angry crowd, apologize for the incident, and ask people for the calm needed to finish an investigation?

These pictures are of cowards hiding behind storm trooper gear, no names, badges or anything that would allow folks to criticize their cowardice in person at the market (assuming they go to the same market).

This country's politicians and law enforcement have lost their collective minds. They're so busy trying to control, they risk becoming a bigger menace than the criminals they are paid to find and detain.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
21. Just being armed & dressed like that must get these guys so fired up and paranoid.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:30 PM
Aug 2014

How many of our local policemen are vets of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc? Now how many of them have undiagnosed, untreated PTSD?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
23. If the street gangs decide to go to war with these police, I bet on the gangs...
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:26 PM
Aug 2014

There are some seriously deranged individuals in the police, but by and large they employ military tactics without military training and nowhere NEAR military discipline. They are dangerous - to by-standers and individuals, especially minority men in their teens and 20's - but if a guerrilla force, or even street gangs with cohesion and a reason to fight, decided to fire on them, they could mow these idiots down by the hundreds without taking a causality in return.

Even the ones in the spiffy military threads.

The police are woefully inept and rely on brute force, intimidation and the appearance of overwhelming firepower to cower the public from rising against them. If the current pace of civilian killings, and targeting minorities in particular, keeps up, there will be a critical mass and a violent reaction from the public. The police have the advantage, but not one that they think they do without the tacit support of the people, which is eroding daily.

If self-preservation is an instinct they possess, the calmer heads in law enforcement had better get control of the zoo in a hurry.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
27. Well that's the thing. Will civilians start firing back or firing first? Izzat what the pigs want?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:35 PM
Aug 2014

They/cops sure look like that's what they are expecting.

CaptainTruth

(6,582 posts)
28. Where are all the Tea Party protesters?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:36 PM
Aug 2014

I've heard TP leaders accuse Obama of tyranny over & over ... well ... guess what TP idiots, THIS is what tyranny looks like! If you hate it soooooo much, why aren't you in Ferguson protesting?

Oh wait, you only hate it when the black man is the "tyrant." When the black man is dead in the street it's A-OK with you.

Got it.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
29. This country is headed down an extremely dangerous path. I fear far too many Americans have
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 09:46 PM
Aug 2014

blinders on or their head up their ass!

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
33. This is how it begins.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:01 PM
Aug 2014

The conversion from a free state to a police state. The constitution is no longer relevant to the average American. Freedom of speech, assembly, unreasonable search and seizure, petition for redress of grievance, even the right against self-incrimination no longer exists in any meaningful way for the average Joe, particularly if said Joe happens to be black or poor. Corporations have more rights than citizens and the police have the freedom to shoot unarmed citizens without fear of repercussion.

And the middle-class is rapidly disappearing.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
36. Often the US reminds me now of Germany WWII and the SS. Same type of individuals exist here, names
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:10 PM
Aug 2014

are different, different times, but the modus operandi is similar. Given more time, unchecked, we will be there. To date, I've heard no officials speaking about things such as this, maybe they have, but I've heard nothing of a desire to limit police militarization. In fact, DHS, for example, seems to embrace it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
35. To those who dismiss the NSA surveillance breaches, this is the same treatment.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:01 PM
Aug 2014

We are all enemies now...

The NSA isn't wearing camo gear and aren't out in the streets. They're doing their dirty work behind the scenes....

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
41. A war on American citizens
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:41 PM
Aug 2014


Balko, writing in the Wall Street Journal, describes how this rise in militarization since the 1960s has created police forces which threaten citizens just as much as they protect those they're charged to serve: "

Law-enforcement agencies across the U.S., at every level of government, have been blurring the line between police officer and soldier. Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment—from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers—American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop—armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties. "

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/12/1320956/-Militarized-Police-Turn-Protect-Serve-into-War-on-American-Citizens?detail=hide

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
44. And terror is the point.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 11:52 PM
Aug 2014

How many citizens who previously might have considered joining a protest about policies that are hurting them might think twice about it now, after seeing pictures like these?

This is the result of federal policy, giving federal grants to local police departments to purchase military weapons and vehicles like tanks.


Military device used on Detroit protest against #WaterShutoffs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014852205

All The Infrastructure A Tyrant Would Need, Courtesy Of Bush And Obama - TheAtlantic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022973186

The Militarizing of Local Police (through Federal Grants)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bradlockwood/2011/11/30/the-militarizing-of-local-police/

Another Day, Another 124 Violent SWAT Raids
https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/another-day-another-124-violent-swat-raids

Does your local government have a “black budget” too?
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty-criminal-law-reform/does-your-local-government-have

Too many cops are told they're soldiers.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-technology-and-liberty/too-many-cops-are-told-theyre-soldiers

One ongoing scandal in the criminal justice world, for example, is the fact that there's no reliable data on how often police officers fire their weapons at citizens. The federal government is supposed to collect these figures, but for whatever reason, it simply hasn't done so.

Towns don't need tanks, but they have them.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech/towns-dont-need-tanks-they-have-them

Full ACLU Report on Police Militarization
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report


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