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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo I was wondering
about the soon to be minority white population and the current minority populations. And what I was wondering about those populations is, what happens to racial discrimination protections when hispanics are no longer a minority, but a majority population? Will the laws be changed to do away with those protections or do they all of a sudden disappear, reverse, or become unenforceable when we hit that point (2043) or what happens? Interesting whatever happens.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)And brown people start targeting white people in, oh maybe, 75 years or so? I suppose that maybe evil people will use history to justify their poor treatment of whites and treat them like their ancestors treated their ancestors. Human nature is a fucked up thing.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)if current behavior would serve as a guide, I don't think there would be wide-spread retribution. There are plenty of Black folks in positions of authority in industry; but discrimination by Black/Hispanic bosses against their non-Black/non-Hispanic subordinates is relatively rare.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Not outright lynchings, just a whole bunch of people not noticing.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the difference between "numeric minority status" and "minority status"?
There is a difference ... a huge difference (reference: all of colonized Africa, South Africa in particular.)
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)tion laws currently and that is what I'm wondering about.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)under current anti-discrimination laws, as EVERYONE is a member of at least 3 protected classed ... even straight, white, males.
(Note: you're talking to someone with 15+ years of prosecuting Civil Rights cases.)
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Both legally AND societally.
Stop now!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)what? snorting whiteness? any day.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)then admit your ignorance ,,, or just stop!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)else.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)wallow in your ignorance ... a simple google search, or just admitting that you know nothing about what you speak (on this topic) will inform you and end this.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)or ad hominem attack so knock it the fuck off.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)it was NOT okay for people to continue to argue a clearly incorrect fact, i.e., the definition of "protected class", just because one can't admit that they don't know what the hell they are talking about; but too ... whatever ... to concede the point.
And stall all that "race-baiting" crap. I stand on my factually correct points ... every person is a maybe of at least 3 protected classes, including straight white men AND straight white men possess the ultimate societal protected class status.
So knock that the fuck off.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)That hiiden reply was shameful and embarassing. I feel so bad that you had to get a nasty message like that. That was so messed up.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You have chosen to retain your lack of knowledge, instead of actually looking it up. Since you're too enamored of your own know-nothing to go looking on your own, here's the results of a google search.
Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Age (40 and over) – Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Sex – Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964
Pregnancy – Pregnancy Discrimination Act
Citizenship – Immigration Reform and Control Act
Familial status – Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII: Housing cannot discriminate for having children, with an exception for senior housing
Disability status – Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 and Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
Veteran status – Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 and Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act
Genetic information – Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
Individual states can and do create other protected classes, which are protected under that state's law.
Now i suggest you go somewhere private where you can pull both of your feet out of your mouth. When you're done with that, maybe come back and apologize to 1SBM for your completely bass-ackwards accusations that he is race-baiting. That done, maybe go look up what the fuck "ad hominem' means because it's pretty clear that's another phrase you're studiously clueless about.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)maybe. he could go all information in ... and look up the definition of "Ignorance." Then, maybe he will appear a little less ... well ... ignorant.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)But just to make sure I understand; are you talking about a legal, codified protected class for white, straight males?
I would agree that in reality straight white males are doing fine - we have more than enough tools to protect ourselves; but it sounds like you are talking about actual legal status.
Bryant
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Title VII of the CRA, and its amendments, protects whites, as well. And the EEOC appears to be taking the position that Sexual Orientation is included for protection under Sex.
But, as you note, straight white men are also afforded an extra-legal societal protected class status.
el_bryanto
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politicat
(9,808 posts)If that was the sole or primary basis of discrimination and therefore creating protected classes, then women would not be a protected class (because 53% of population) and would not need legal protection from employment discrimination, in family law matters or in health care.
A protected class is one that has experienced a significant degree of persecution or discrimination, both legal and de facto, and which, all other factors being equal, can demonstrate ongoing discrimination. For women, the demonstrations range from wage disparity to poverty rates in peer controlled studies, to harassment to unequal access to equivalent medicine. For Hispanics, the numbers would be things like social mobility in the third generation, educational opportunity, wage disparity when compared to other groups, de facto segregation and economic predation.
Raw numbers will take at least two generations to become normative -- after all, the laws and practices that discriminate against any group were written, implemented and enforced by the oppressors. In those fifty years, the numerically larger group will have to break a lot of barriers -- defeat gerrymandering, organize funding, recruit talent to both run for office and craft policy (to name a few). If history is any guide, it took the Irish 4 generations to assimilate. Until parents who never knew anything but legal parity raise their children without de jure or de facto discrimination so that the children never know it, the motivating force behind the protected status won't be obsolete.
TL
R: Texas white guys will retain their privileges for a while yet, even when outnumbered, but their days are limited. Will they face the exact same discrimination? No, maybe not even in the same key. Will they ever get their own protected status? Only if the Native Americans decide to reclaim all the land, the New Spain territories set themselves up as independent states, and women get 80% of the management jobs in the country and start firing because "bad haircut" or "didn't make good coffee."
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Wouldn't that be something. The Texas white guys sucking some ass. Maybe they won't get out of this world without at least having to cross their mind it they think about their generational offspring.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Protected Class status has nothing to do with minority status, numeric or otherwise. Protected class status is clearly, and plainly, defined in the law as ANY discrete group ... Including straight white males. PERIOD.
ETA: BTW, your last paragraph (regarding protected class status, while entertaining, is legally incorrect.
politicat
(9,808 posts)The level of alteration of the power structure it would take for systemic disempowerment, even if only de facto (which would be a general detriment), does require a bit of hyperbole.
The problem with the concept of the current subset of those at the highest privilege setting (or as John Scalzi puts it, those gaming on the easy setting) is that their experience of privilege has been perceived as a right, when in fact their status is the result if (mostly) unconscious privilege. Thus, when placed in situations where competing against others who may or may not be visibly members of protected classes, they have an expectation of success despite perhaps being less qualified or less prepared for a specific role. When that expectation is not fulfilled, it is usually not discrimination per se, but an individual failure to recognize the strengths and qualities in others that surpass oneself.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts) You and I won't live to see it here.JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)When people of color outnumber white people by 100 to 1, the whites will still hate them for being colored and will still feel superior to them. Bigotry is not about hating people because there are fewer of them than you, it's about hating people because they are different than you. Numbers are utterly irrelevant.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)but are treated like a despised minority of second class citizens except in the far religious right, where they are treated like cattle.
I'm afraid the WASP aristocrats at the very top are going to be remarkably adhesive to the power structure and will take many generations to eradicate, or at least mix up considerably. Remember, a lot of these people clawed to the top many generations ago in places where they were a small minority, especially in the south where they owned the majority.
Eventually intermarriage will change their complexions if not their surnames and pedigrees through the male line.
It's late and I'm grumpy and not particularly sanguine about the coming Hispanic majority changing much of anything at the top, although there will be lip service paid to their new status.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Women are 50%, hold some significantly lower percentage of power.
See South Africa back in the day, and, sadly, today as well.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Proportion of population eventually will make a difference as noted earlier somewhere in this thread. Someone noted that it took 4 generations of Irish.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Or at least we'd behave as if we were one species.
It was too much to ask. I took several anthropology courses through colleges and universities, my favorite liberal arts and elective topic.
Apparently, its human nature to be ethnocentric, to bear a feeling of superiority.
It's not a mandate, but rather a mechanism of survival or something.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)anthropology, sociology and psych classes as electives and also really enjoyed them. One study I found fascinating was when they took a bunch of people and randomly split them into 2 groups, then told them about the other group, almost instantly the people identified with the group they were in and showed prejudice - totally unjustified - towards the other group in certain activities. They had no reason to believe there was anything 'wrong' or 'different' with the other group, they just naturally gravitated towards their own group. And when they were told the other group was 'bad', the prejudice escalated, even though there was NO proof that the assertion was true.
Very interesting stuff.
tblue37
(65,328 posts)still needed and, though not all that well enforced, still useful when they are.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)will involve altering the dog whistle politics to cater to them.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)