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X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:44 AM Aug 2014

Duty to Protect? Think again.

What’s your first memory of a police officer? Mine is from a coloring book as a kid. Farmer, fireman, doctor, police officer, construction worker- those were the archetypal figures I remember. The farmer had a straw hat and bib overalls, the fireman had a hat with a shield and a hose, the doctor a lab coat and stethoscope, the police officer had the belt and badge, and the construction worker had a hard hat and hammer.

During the first year of school, I remember classroom visits from some of these professions. I remember the navy blue uniform with slate gray stripe of the State Police officer, his straight brimmed hat, and his crew cut. I recall feeling safe knowing that if bad people ever wanted to hurt me, he’d come and rescue me. I was tempted to have him haul off some of the bullies at school, but somehow I resisted the temptation. Just knowing he was there was enough.

It’s funny how childlike ideas tend to persist until reality rips them away. No, the animals on the farm don’t crowd around the farmer, gazing adoringly up at him. No, the doctor tends to spend more time doing paperwork than actually saving lives. No, the fireman doesn’t actually get kittens out of trees with his cool ladder truck. And no, the police officer doesn’t usually pull up when bad guys are threatening you.

As of 2012, there were about 780,000 police officers across the United States in the field (1). There are approximately 316,000,000 residents of the US (2). If you assume three shifts, and 15% are out sick, on vacation, in court, in training, or desk duty for one reason or another, that means that there is one officer for every 1430 people.

Assuming that "your" officer isn't busy with one of the other 1429 people, average response time from 911 to flashing lights is about eleven minutes nationwide, but if you live in a city like Detroit, the average is 58 minutes (3); Chicago often has times as high as 12 minutes (4); in New York, ten minutes in 1999 (5). According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, most violent crime is perpetrated in under five minutes. (6) Those are large cities, with short distances between a cop and most residents. Let's not even consider it if you're rural.

But what the heck, let's assume we had one patrol officer per person, shadowing you at all times. He or she would be obligated to protect you from harm, right? After all, the slogan on the side of the car says "to protect and serve". Right?? RIGHT??? No, not really.

In multiple states, at the local, state, and federal level, police have not been held accountable for failing to protect individuals. Let's examine some of the cases.

South v. Maryland (1858)

Cocking v. Wade (1896)

Riss v. City of New York - 1967

http://lawschool.courtroomview.com/acf_cases/10107-riss-v-new-york

[div class='excerpt']Brief Fact Summary

Plaintiff was harassed by a rejected suitor, who claimed he would kill or seriously injure her if she dated someone else. Plaintiff repeatedly asked for police protection and was ignored. After the news of her engagement, the plaintiff was again threatened and called the police to no avail. The next day, a thug, sent by the rejected suitor, partially blinded the plaintiff and disfigured her face.

Rule of Law and Holding

The municipality does not have a duty to provide police protection to an individual. It has a duty to the public as a whole, but no one in particular.

Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968)

Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969)

Antique Arts Corp. v. City of Torrance (1974)

Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App.3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975)

[div class='excerpt']The first amended complaint alleged in substance: On September 4, 1972, plaintiff's decedent, Ruth Bunnell, telephoned the main office of the San Jose Police Department and reported that her estranged husband, Mack Bunnell, had called her, saying that he was coming to her residence to kill her. She requested immediate police aid; the department refused to come to her aid at that time, and asked that she call the department again when Mack Bunnell had arrived.

Approximately 45 minutes later, Mack Bunnell arrived at her home and stabbed her to death. The police did not arrive until 3 a.m., in response to a call of a neighbor. By this time Mrs. Bunnell was dead.
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(1) Appellant contends that his complaint stated a cause of action for wrongful death under Code of Civil Procedure section 377, and that the cause survived under Probate Code section 573. The claim is barred by the provisions of the California Tort Claims Act (Gov. Code, § 810 et seq.), particularly section 845, which states: "Neither a public entity nor a public employee is liable for failure to establish a police department or otherwise provide police protection service or, if police protection service is provided, for failure to provide sufficient police protection service."

Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102

Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977)

Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978)

Stone v. State, 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980)

Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

[div class='excerpt']The Court, however, does not agree that defendants owed a specific legal duty to plaintiffs with respect to the allegations made in the amended complaint for the reason that the District of Columbia appears to follow the well established rule that official police personnel and the government employing them are not generally liable to victims of criminal acts for failure to provide adequate police protection. This uniformly accepted rule rests upon the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.

Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981)

Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982)

Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982)

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=11611213653413829948&q=Davidson+v.+City+of+Westminster&hl=en&as_sdt=2,44&as_vis=1

Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (Only those in custody are deserving of individual police protection)

Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984)

Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845

Ashburn v. Anne Arundel County (1986)

[div class='excerpt']In 1986, the Maryland Court of Appeals was again presented in Ashburn v. Anne Arundel County with an action in civil liability involving the failure of law enforcement to enforce the law. In this case, a police officer, Freeberger, found an intoxicated man in a running pickup truck sitting in front of convenience store. Although he could have arrested the driver, the police officer told the driver to pull the truck over to the side of the lot and to discontinue driving that evening. Instead, shortly after the law enforcement officer left, the intoxicated driver pulled out of the lot and collided with a pedestrian, Ashburn, who as a direct result of the accident sustained severe injuries and lost a leg. After Ashburn brought suit against the driver, Officer Freeberger, the police department, and Anne Arundel County, the trial court dismissed charges against the later three, holding Freeberger owed no special duty to the plaintiff, the county was immune from liability, and that the police department was not a separate legal entity.
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The Court of Appeals further noted the general tort law rule that, "absent a 'special relationship' between police and victim, liability for failure to protect an individual citizen against injury caused by another citizen does not rely against police officers." Using terminology from the public duty doctrine, the court noted that any duty the police in protecting the public owed was to the general public and not to any particular citizen..

DeShaney v. Winnebago County, 489 U.S. 189 (1989)

Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

[div class='excerpt']During divorce proceedings, Jessica Gonzales, a resident of Castle Rock, Colorado, obtained a restraining order against her husband on June 4, 1999, requiring him to remain at least 100 yards from her and their three daughters except during specified visitation time. On June 22, at approximately 5:15 pm, her husband took possession of the three children in violation of the order. Gonzales called the police at approximately 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm, 10:10 pm, and 12:15 am on June 23, and visited the police station in person at 12:40 am on June 23, 1999. However, the police took no action, despite the husband's having called Gonzales prior to her second call to the police and informing her that he had the children with him at an amusement park in Denver, Colorado. At approximately 3:20 am on June 23, 1999, the husband appeared at the Castle Rock police station and instigated a fatal shoot-out with the police. A search of his vehicle revealed the corpses of the three daughters, whom the husband had killed prior to his arrival.
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The Court's majority opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia held that enforcement of the restraining order was not mandatory under Colorado law; were a mandate for enforcement to exist, it would not create an individual right to enforcement that could be considered a protected entitlement under the precedent of Board of Regents of State Colleges v. Roth; and even if there were a protected individual entitlement to enforcement of a restraining order, such entitlement would have no monetary value and hence would not count as property for the Due Process Clause.

Justice David Souter wrote a concurring opinion, using the reasoning that enforcement of a restraining order is a process, not the interest protected by the process, and that there is not due process protection for processes.

Gonzales v City of Bozeman (2009)

[div class='excerpt']On the evening of April 3, 2005, Gonzales was the lone clerk at a Town Pump store on East Main Street in Bozeman, Montana. At 9:55 p.m. a man later identified as transient Jose Mario Gonzalez-Menjivar entered the store wearing a ski cap. He held a knife to Gonzales' throat and demanded money. Gonzales was able to surreptitiously dial 911 on her cell phone shortly after Menjivar entered the store but could not talk to anyone and never knew whether the call went through. In the meanwhile, Gonzales began removing money from the safe, which was limited by a security device to dispensing $100 every two or three minutes.
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Meanwhile, Leah will no doubt be dumbfounded by the Court's decision. During the course of a robbery, she managed surreptitiously to call 911. The call went through, the dispatchers ascertained what was occurring and where, and the police were sent to Leah's location. Upon arriving, they established a perimeter around the Town Pump, determined that the door was unlocked, and observed two individuals inside. They ascertained that one of the individuals (Menjivar) was directing the other individual (Leah). When the call from Leah's cell phone was dropped, the dispatchers established a connection on the store's land line. They told the officers that the male (Menjivar) was "threatening" the female (Leah) and that she was "crying" and "very frightened." The police saw Menjivar and Leah enter the restroom, where it turns out Leah was then raped. They arrested Menjivar when he left the store of his own volition. They then threatened Leah with a dog, at which point she exited the store, barefoot and wearing her Town Pump apron. They forced her to the ground and handcuffed her—although she was six months pregnant and one of the officers had recognized who she was.


"Car 54, Where are you?", Chips, NYPD Blue, Hill Street Blues.. they aren't documentaries.


(1) http://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm - 900k total, 780k who are not detectives, supervisors, managers, fish and game wardens, correctional officers, or transit and railroad police.
(2) http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
(3) http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323997004578642250518125898
(4) http://www.suntimes.com/26454580-761/chicagos-911-dispatch-times-vary-widely-around-city.html
(5) http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/24/nyregion/police-are-criticized-for-responding-more-slowly-to-911-calls.html
(6) http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/NCVS/

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Duty to Protect? Think again. (Original Post) X_Digger Aug 2014 OP
I was stunned a year ago to learn all of those. Savannahmann Aug 2014 #1
Is that a rationalization for arming up? The court decisions merely Hoyt Aug 2014 #2
It's a reason (not a rationalization) for waking the fuck up. X_Digger Aug 2014 #7
Neither are those who promote more gunz in more places. Police are a problem, so are gun cultists. Hoyt Aug 2014 #10
Yes, we wouldn't want robbers to get shot, now would we? X_Digger Aug 2014 #11
Again, x-digger read in context. I was responding to your gun buddy supporting shooting people Hoyt Aug 2014 #13
Free clue, Hoyt: Rights aren't "given". X_Digger Aug 2014 #16
Like I said, as long as you guys have your gunz, you don't care about impact on society. Hoyt Aug 2014 #18
The police Old Codger Aug 2014 #3
Correct. They are not your friends, they are not your protectors. X_Digger Aug 2014 #5
The police are a taxpayer funded gang who's only duty is to protect wealth and the system TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #4
Apparently they don't have a duty not to kill unarmed people either. n/t hootinholler Aug 2014 #6
I was informed of this in no uncertain terms in a public meeting by our former sheriff tularetom Aug 2014 #8
Have been told Old Codger Aug 2014 #9
I don't know why people are so shocked by this. Lurks Often Aug 2014 #12
I think that a lot of people who have never had personal dealings with police have a rosy opinion.. X_Digger Aug 2014 #14
The first paragraph sounds like a description of deaniac21 Aug 2014 #15
Minus a Cherokee or two, yes. :P n/t X_Digger Aug 2014 #17
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
1. I was stunned a year ago to learn all of those.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:47 AM
Aug 2014

So we'll give this a Kick and Rec. Because anyone who listens to the Propaganda from the Police about being sworn to Protect and Serve and worse, believes it is living in a dream world.

Massive reforms are needed for the Police across this nation. Massive reforms now.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Is that a rationalization for arming up? The court decisions merely
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:05 PM
Aug 2014

mean one can't collect millions because police don't show up in time.

Fortunately, crime is still rare and there are many ways to protect yourself. Yet some folks can't walk out of their house without a gun strapped to their body. Nor do those folks care about the harm guns do to society.

The police do a lot of wrong, but more armed citizens won't help. Police wannabees -- like George Zimmerman -- darn sure didn't protect anyone.


X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
7. It's a reason (not a rationalization) for waking the fuck up.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:13 PM
Aug 2014

Cops aren't your best buddies; they aren't out to save you, random Joe, from harm.

They're there to investigate crime, catch criminals, act as visible deterrents to intimidate would-be and current criminals.

If they happen to step into an ongoing crime and consequently keep someone from harm- well that's gravy, not their bread and butter.

"Blue Bloods" is not a documentary. It's about as real as "Survivor".

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Neither are those who promote more gunz in more places. Police are a problem, so are gun cultists.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 02:12 PM
Aug 2014

Your "rationalization" is common among gun promoters.

We need to do something about both -- police and gun promoters.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
11. Yes, we wouldn't want robbers to get shot, now would we?
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 02:15 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=45338

Hoyt (16,793 posts)
43. As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out, especially police.


Both 'police and gun cultists' are an occupational hazard to those in your former profession, aren't they?
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Again, x-digger read in context. I was responding to your gun buddy supporting shooting people
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
Aug 2014

when it isn't necessary.

One of your gun buddies made a stupid response about a cowboy who started blasting away putting innocent people in danger, and I responded facetiously. You guys didn't get it, but yet you believe you are perceptive enough to determine when you should pull your gun and execute someone you think is a threat. Not much different from these policemen we are talking about.

Now, tell us what gives gun promoters the right to arm up, besides some perverted interpretation of the Constitution. Fact is, the majority of folks arming up do so for the same reason some of these police are too quick to shoot minorities.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
16. Free clue, Hoyt: Rights aren't "given".
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 07:56 PM
Aug 2014

I shouldn't be surprised at this point, I suppose.

*sigh*

For further reading I suggest.. heck.. The Enlightenment. Anything from that period.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Like I said, as long as you guys have your gunz, you don't care about impact on society.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 09:13 PM
Aug 2014

Pretty much same as the police we are discussing.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
3. The police
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:13 PM
Aug 2014

Are history writers, they cannot/will not do anything until after a crime has been committed at which point they write a report on it.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
5. Correct. They are not your friends, they are not your protectors.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:24 PM
Aug 2014

If they can charge you with a crime, as well as taking your report of another crime- that's a two-fer for them.

Being a visible deterrent, an intimidation force designed to dissuade criminals- is part of their job.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
4. The police are a taxpayer funded gang who's only duty is to protect wealth and the system
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 12:23 PM
Aug 2014

while justifying their ever increasing budgets by harassing, intimidating, and worse the people that pay them occasionally offset by propaganda and happenstance efforts to provide the minimal impression they serve the public.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
8. I was informed of this in no uncertain terms in a public meeting by our former sheriff
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:15 PM
Aug 2014

When a group of us questioned why he seemed reluctant to provide regular patrols to our remote part of the county, he first pleaded budget woes, then got testy and told us it wasn't his job to protect us.

He got really pissed and started blustering and stammering when I asked him just what he thought his job actually was.

He's no longer with us, but it's now like 18 years later and we still don't have patrols. We're all armed however, for what that's worth.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
9. Have been told
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:25 PM
Aug 2014

By the local sheriffs office that we are pretty much on our own most of the time. Response time here is in the neighborhood of 2 hours or more....Unless really lucky and a patrol is nearby, personally don't count on "luck"...

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. I don't know why people are so shocked by this.
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 02:42 PM
Aug 2014

Realistically, unless one is very lucky, the chances of a police officer being around at the exact instant you need them the most is pretty damn slim.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
14. I think that a lot of people who have never had personal dealings with police have a rosy opinion..
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 05:11 PM
Aug 2014

.. of your average cop.

Not that they're terribly evil (as a group, or on an average individual basis) but just- they're not what popular perception holds them out to be.

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