Where are all the "Police Apologist" now

[FreakinDJ]

Where are all the defenders of Police shooting 13 yr old boys now

What happened to all the "You can't blame all cops for the actions of 1 bad cop" or in this case 1 Bad Police Department

Every week we learn of yet another unarmed innocent citizen gunned down and the cop walking away free of charges and returned to duty -WITH A GUN. You want to defend that ...


THIS THE RESULTS OF THE SUPREME COURT 1998 DECISION

and this is not going to end well until the Supreme Court reverses that decision

[kelliekat44]

1. On CNN evidently. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

2. Gone to Israel for hasbara training?

[Cooley Hurd]

3. What 1998 decision?

[aikoaiko]

4. Unlike the 13 year old boy you reference there is no evidence that brown was waving a realistic...

...looking toy or BB gun at the police.

I'm still basically fine with the police. There questionable shootings and a lack I consequences in too many cases, but they are not frequent. and sadly either implicit or explicit racism is all too often a part of those shootings. But most police are grinding out their jobs trying to protect and serve their communities.

[pintobean]

5. +1

[Bluenorthwest]

9. In 2011 police shot 1,146 people in the US, 607 were killed. Same year, 173 officers died from

all job related injuries. 1.66 shooting deaths a day is fairly frequent if you ask me. Too fucking frequent by far.

[aikoaiko]

12. Yes, obviously some of those shootings and deaths were completely justified and some not.

[FreakinDJ]

22. More Electricians die on the job then cops

So what's your point

They should continue to shoot Unarmed children just in case they grow up and get a gun some day

[Warren Stupidity]

67. Electricians should be militarized obviously.

[CreekDog]

23. how many per year do you need to consider it frequent?

sounds like your threshold is not so much on how frequent, but how frequent it happens to someone you care about.

[FreakinDJ]

47. That's why the "Untrained Witness" knew it was a toy

[aikoaiko]

57. Was that the one who warned him that it could be mistaken for a gun?

[maced666]

6. I guess you can blame all cops for the actions of one?

You said -
What happened to all the "You can't blame all cops for the actions of 1 bad cop" or in this case 1 Bad Police Department

Well, can you blame ALL blacks for the actions of - stop.

You see? Don't broad brush people, you are condemning convicting and sentencing people all by yourself-along with many like-minded mob buddies - as your own little judge and jury.
Innocent people that are in no way the way you paint them.
I'm sorry.
How doorknob DUMB do you have to be to use a phrase like 'all cops'?!

Honestly, when I hear it? It's a sign, these are the same types that go in the other room and say - 'those Jews- all black people', white people this-
Everyone knows there are bad cops and depts. See it every day. No need to take the pea brained leap to- well all cops are bah blah'
Stow it for a repuke site.

[Sherman A1]

8. Precisely

Well Said! Sweeping generalizations of any group simply do not contribute to resolving the issues.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Claiming the police or any professional group is a group in the same way that African Americans or

Jews are a group is fucking racist bullshit deluxe in my opinion.

[Sherman A1]

17. You have your opinion

I have mine.

[CreekDog]

24. no, your opinion is wrong

you're allowed to have an opinion, even a wrong one, but it isn't equal to one that isn't flawed.

[Sherman A1]

44. NO

YOUR OPINION IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pintobean]

64. .

[FreakinDJ]

50. They had a sweeping "Releived of Duty"

For Ferguson's KKK Police Dept

But Hey - they're not all bad

[Historic NY]

54. It was the St. Louis County Poilce that were relieved....

get the facts ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-protest-police_n_5678441.html

[TheKentuckian]

14. The police are a top down institutional organization not a demographic group, it isn't the same

and if you don't know that you should and this foolish line of thinking is why systematic and organization culture issues are so seldom addressed because too many cannot even grasp a systematic issue because every problem is insisted on being seen as individual.

No police are not analogous to black people or Jews. I'm not sure most professions are a reasonable comparison either considering the unique place in society or the organizational structure.

This line of argument is first magnitude desperate flailing around, in what mind would this make any practical sense?

[treestar]

16. thank you

there seems an element of DU that wants us to believe there should be no cops, or some such shit. I've even seen it said you don't be a cop unless you are a totalitarian or whatever. As if there are no black cops, no Latino cops, no female cops, etc. And even white men might be OK cops.

They get so unreasonable. Note the OP does not allow any disagreement on the subject and certainly this cop has been tried and convicted already.

[cwydro]

70. I truly would love to know

who the OP would call when someone breaks into his house.

[Orsino]

31. We can be just as quick to label as the right...

...particularly when the police force in question is predominantly of a particular continental origin.

And blaming all cops for the actions of a few makes so much more sense than identifying systemic problems and proposing solutions.

[PowerToThePeople]

7. <3

[conservaphobe]

11. In their patrol cars or sleeping off last night's graveyard shift. nt

[BuelahWitch]

18. Or at Dunkin's n/t

[cwydro]

73. Gotta love a good stereotype.

Funny.

[randome]

13. In other words, you want people you may have disagreed with in the past to disagree with you now.

Or are you looking for responses like 'Ditto', 'Yep', 'Yup' and, of course, that laconic favorite, '+1000!'?

Sorry I can't oblige you there.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[MrBig]

27. +1000!

Sorry...I had to.

[randome]

34. Perfectly understandable!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Warren Stupidity]

68. Go ahead, step up and defend police state violence.

Or have the talking points not been released yet? Don't know which way to go, huh?

[MineralMan]

15. What "Police Apologist?"

Which DUer or DUers do you mean? Or was that supposed to be plural? Frankly, I don't know any police apologists on DU. There are some people who don't apply poor logic to criminal activity by some police officers and use a broad brush to condemn all police officers. Was that what you meant?

[CreekDog]

25. the ones that we have banned on MIRT or watched Skinner and EarlG ban repeatedly

come on.

[Lonusca]

63. Wouldn't that mean they're not here then?

the ones that we have banned on MIRT or watched Skinner and EarlG ban repeatedly

[wyldwolf]

19. I have a GREAT idea

Why don't YOU list all the bad things police officers have done.

I'll TRY to list all the good things they've done (though that might take a while.)

Maybe we can then compare those results vs. those of the general populace.

I'll kick it off:

Officer Finds Mom Trying To Steal Groceries, Buys Her $100 Worth Of Food

Officer Vicki Thomas spent $100 on groceries to help a mom she originally stopped shoplifting.

The generous cop says she did it because she could identify with the woman's desperate situation.

"I did it just because I needed to," Thomas tells CNN's Chris Cuomo.

http://newday.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/22/officer-finds-mom-trying-to-steal-groceries-buys-her-100-worth-of-food/

[FreakinDJ]

20. How lames - Newsday is a Rightwing tabloid

But thanks for playing

[el_bryanto]

21. So you believe that story reported to be fictional? nt

[KittyWampus]

26. OH NO YOU DON'T. I live on Long Island. Newday is no rightwing tabloid.

But thanks for playing.

[immoderate]

28. It's not Newsday, it's CNN.

When did Newsday become right wing?

--imm

[Rose Siding]

29. How about this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/cop-saves-choking-woman_n_5677448.html

"Kalamazoo Cop Pulls Over Choking Woman, Saves Her Life"

There's video. I like the part where she hugs him.

Just like people, some cops are thugs. Some aren't.

[wyldwolf]

36. good one. How's this?

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/news/features/around-the-web/stories/police-officers-buy-groceries-for-family-in-need-wbff.shtml?wap=0

Texas police Senior Officer Bryan Knief and Cadet Officer Anthony Vacarro were on duty last weekend when they were called out to a Victoria home. The officers noticed the family had no food. They decided to take action, and drove to a local Walmart. As they were in line to pay for a full cart of groceries,they were stopped by a local, curious about what it was they were doing. Thinking it was odd that the officers were grocery shopping in full uniform, Rebecca Vasquez asked what was going on. "They actually told me that they were going to be donating the entire basket to a family in need," Vasquez said. "I just thought it was awesome."

[wyldwolf]

33. I'm assuming you were being sarcastic. I get it.

[MohRokTah]

30. I've got a better idea.

How about you find all the stories of police departments holding their out of control officers accountable and compare that to the stories where the out of control 'bad apples' are protected by the Blue Brotherhood?

[wyldwolf]

35. was that actually the point of the OP?

The OP wants to paint all police officers with a broad brush. You're good with that?

[MohRokTah]

37. Until the Blue Brotherhood demonstrate they are capable of policing their own...

I see no reason to respect any member of the Blue Brotherhood.

Fear? YES!

Respect? NO!

Police your own to earn my respect.

[wyldwolf]

38. so, when someone is breaking into your home or attacking a friend or family member...

... when your car or other possessions have been stolen... you're going to handle that yourself?

[MohRokTah]

39. I've involved the police in matters before.

I make sure I have a witness with me when I speak with them. I speak to them respectfully even though I hold them in contempt.

I call them, but I don't trust them any more than I do the person who wrongs me. I call them because there is no other choice. I am also aware I am as likely to be harmed by the cop as the person who may have stolen something from me, even as the person who contacts the police.

Police your own to prove you have the capability of policing the public.

[wyldwolf]

40. why do you call them if you hold them in such contempt?

Why not buy a gun and be your own protector and enforcer. I certainly wouldn't rely on someone I completely distrusted. Not many people would.

[MohRokTah]

41. No other choice.

I will not purchase a gun.

[wyldwolf]

42. always a choice, even if it's doing nothing. I guess you have a reason not to support Hillary

She's a big supporter of Law Enforcement groups.

[MohRokTah]

43. Prove you all can police yourself. eom

[wyldwolf]

45. I've not said that so I have nothing to prove.

[MohRokTah]

46. Sorry, figured you for a member of the Blue Brotherhood. eom

[wyldwolf]

48. that Clinton reference threw you a little, huh. No, see, my father was a cop

And while I'm not one to take the rantings on an internet forum personally, I know what I'm talking about. You're just reacting to very tragic and, unfortunately, media sensationalized events.

A lot of crimes go unreported. Seeing the paranoia against police officers I'm seeing lately, it's no wonder.

[MohRokTah]

49. No, I'm reacting to a consistent trend in law enforcement.

Cops have consistently been getting away with murder in this country and cops are doing nothing to stop it.

Ferguson is only the latest in a long line of cop bullshit.

So no, I hold all cops in contempt and will continue to do so until they can hold their own accountable and stop the bullshit about "bad apples'. If there are a few 'bad apples', the entire barrel has been spoiled because nobody holds those 'bad apples' accountable.

And yes, that includes all cops. They are in the barrel and thus were spoiled by the 'bad apples' that they never held accountable.

[wyldwolf]

51. "consistent trend in law enforcement." You, of course, have stats to back that up, right?

[MohRokTah]

52. Let me google that for you

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=unarmed+black+man+police+shooting

About 7,180,000 results (0.35 seconds)

[wyldwolf]

55. How cute! Google tricks are fun. But where's this big trend you speak of?

About 7,180,000 results (0.35 seconds)

Most of the results are duplicates.

trend

noun
1.
a general direction in which something is developing or changing.
"an upward trend in sales and profit margins"

[MohRokTah]

65. I owe you an apology.

Captain Johnson of the MO State Police has proven to be an honorable, kind, just, and compassionate man. I can respect him.

[wyldwolf]

66. you don't owe me an apology

we're having a discussion not a fight.

[Inkfreak]

56. The point of the OP..

is to find someone to argue with. And somehow portray DU as somehow filled with cop apologists.

And don't ever, ever imply that not every cop is evil. When I say "fuck the police" I mean fuck the institution. My uncle is a great man who's done much for me & my community. He's also a retired deputy sheriff. I don't hate him. But I hate the institution he worked for that would allow corruption.

[TheKentuckian]

59. Are you really going to go with groceries gifts as offsetting people getting killed, beaten on,

raped, having evidenced planted on them, folks thrown in jail on bullshit, pets slaughtered plus all the other various corruption and incompetence issues?

Dead kid? Helped kitty cat out of dumpster, beat that!

Took a beating? Here's a bag or oranges and a banana.

Killed baby in the crib? Bought groceries for homeless person.

I think that it is sick game of tit for tat there.

I bet if it was your kid gunned down you wouldn't be looking for such stories to balance the scales, why does it have to hit that close to see for so many?

[wyldwolf]

60. no, I just started my list off. Can I count on YOU to make the opposing list?

[NCTraveler]

32. Logic. I'm sure it is in your op somewhere. nt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

53. masking as anti-rioters. nt

[JaydenD]

58. A post you will (hopefully) regret you made.

If all police are pigs and like Ferguson St Louis police then
all Americans are like George Bush Jr.

I'm not happy with that, are you?

Most likely there are DUers in law enforcement, how do you think they feel about now with the pile on? Do you paint them with the evil pig brush too?

[TheKentuckian]

61. Too many are but in this example a goodly amount actually opposed Bush

Where are the cops standing against the "bad apples"? Where is the opposition. Where are the impassioned speeches at the FOP conventions?

Maybe that number is above zero but no it isn't a bit comparable then you are foolish enough to see entire departments go apeshit knowing we have these issues in varying degrees all over and refuse to even contemplating institutional and culture issues. It is always the "bad apple", never the barrel.

I've know all kinds of cops, have cops in the family are these wicked folk? No, do they almost all tell stories of abuse, corruption, doing what they bust people doing, graft, and wildly unprofessional behavior be it themselves or witnessed? Yup. Do they see themselves as separate and above the citizen? Sure do.

The reality is there are very, very few are modern day Knights of the round table.

Not many (but a much higher percentage than is pretended) but enough are fucking thugs and worse.

The vast majority are people going to work, no different in that going to work than anybody else which means a lot of situational behavior that has them being good, bad, and neither sometimes the same day but almost no matter what anybody does they are at least "look the other way" which makes them an island of their own unique culture with their own special considerations because of this and their mission and responsibilities.

No it isn't even comparable much less the same.

[badtoworse]

62. I only defend police departments that I know

The NYPD and my local town police are fine.

[davidpdx]

69. CNN has one on TV right now

His name is Kevin Jackson. The crap he is spewing is awful.

[cwydro]

71. First of all. Work on your grammar skills.

Your spelling is atrocious. I guess you meant. "apologists." Because that would be plural. Meaning more than one. And you need to learn the "I before E rule" (later in another of your rants).

Hey Freak. Wondering what you would do if someone was threatening your house and person right this minute? Or someone is in immediate need of help, or something horrible happens in front of you. Car accident? Robbery? Hey, I bet you will call 911.

Pretty sure you would. And those are police peeps who answer that phone.

[cwydro]

72. Yeah, so they are ALL bad?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025388387