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Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:41 AM

 

Warren/Carter (Jimmy) 2016

As long as Carter is healthy enough to be involved, he could coach Warren on how to be an effective government executive, which is the only important skill that I'd like to see Warren have more of. Or she could run with someone else who's been the governor of a large state - Jerry Brown, for instance. *That* would be a ticket I could get behind.

Let 1000 Occupies bloom!

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Reply Warren/Carter (Jimmy) 2016 (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 OP
TT_Progress Aug 2014 #1
redqueen Aug 2014 #2
LloydS of New London Aug 2014 #7
Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #3
Scuba Aug 2014 #4
Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #16
merrily Aug 2014 #18
Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #19
merrily Aug 2014 #23
longship Aug 2014 #5
MiniMe Aug 2014 #6
longship Aug 2014 #9
MiniMe Aug 2014 #17
merrily Aug 2014 #25
merrily Aug 2014 #20
joeybee12 Aug 2014 #8
greatauntoftriplets Aug 2014 #11
BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #26
merrily Aug 2014 #27
Jenoch Aug 2014 #12
RebelOne Aug 2014 #13
joeybee12 Aug 2014 #15
dsc Aug 2014 #24
merrily Aug 2014 #29
zappaman Aug 2014 #10
merrily Aug 2014 #30
SidDithers Aug 2014 #14
merrily Aug 2014 #21
betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #22
elleng Aug 2014 #28
Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #31
TDale313 Aug 2014 #32

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:43 AM

1. Brown won California. Warren / Brown could be a heavy hitter?

Love that idea.

I would love to see Carter back in the Whitehouse but he could never be sold as VP due to his age?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:51 AM

2. I prefer Sanders/Warren myself. nt

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Response to redqueen (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:44 PM

7. Me too

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:54 AM

3. Carter would never run and...

 

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/


Next....

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:12 AM

4. Yep, Warren is also coming out as a hawk.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:25 PM

16. Warren has always been a hawk. It's just that people never paid attention or chose to ignore it.

 

She's not a liberal on many issues.

She states on her website that she supports sending high tech US weapons to Israel.

Directly from her website :

I unequivocally support the right of a Jewish, democratic state of Israel to exist, safe and secure


As a United States Senator, I will work to ensure Israel’s security and success. I believe Israel must maintain a qualitative military edge and defensible borders.


The United States must continue to ensure that Israel can defend itself from terrorist organizations and hostile states, including Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and others

<...>

Unilateral actions, such as the Palestinians’ membership efforts before the United Nations, are unhelpful, and I would support vetoing a membership application

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025258116


That last like is very hawkish. She essentially says that she would reject Palestinian statehood at the UN. That is GOP territory.

Also, another DUer mentioned that she recently helped to prevent the Pentagon from canceling an unneeded battlefield communications program. She wanted to preserve jobs at a defense company in Massachusetts:

http://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=news&id=227

She also voted for the defense authorization act which authorized well over $600 billion for defense:

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/senate/1/284

She also opposes the legalization of marijuana.

http://senate.ontheissues.org/Senate/Elizabeth_Warren.htm

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:10 PM

18. Fifty Dem Senators voted for that defense authorization bill.

How do you think Hillary would have voted on it?

I will not be troubling my head with choosing a primary candidate until I see who actually admits to running. Though I might make a donation to Sanders to encourage him to run, since I think more people need to hear what he says.

But, should the primary choice come down to Hillary or Warren, I will vote for Warren. I am not under any illusion about either of them, but that is what I would do.





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Response to merrily (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:12 PM

19. Ya...most Dems in the Senate are hawks.

 

Hillary is an even bigger hawk than Warren.

No argument from me there...

I too would probably support Warren over Hillary in a hypothetical matchup.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:24 PM

23. I usually smile to myself when people start talking about the most liberal

Senator or Senators. It's a conservatie body. The most liberal of them is still not liberal. Some come do closer than others, of course, but most of them are dying off or retiring.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:26 AM

5. This is doubly delusional.

1. Warren isn't going to run and has said as much on multiple occasions. Plus, there are many who think -- apparently including Elizabeth herself -- that she can do more good in the US Senate.

2. God love Jimmie. But he's too old to run for federal office, let alone be a heartbeat away from the presidency. What happens if he died? In that situation today, John Boehner would become next in line. Only a fool would play with that scenerio.

No offense intended but somebody is not thinking rationally here.

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:39 PM

6. It wouldn't be Boehner or the speaker

Think back to Gerald Ford. Can't remember if the Senate or the House would approve the next VP in that case. But I agree that Jimmy is a bit old now to weather the campaign, and I think it would be difficult for him to get elected. Ray Gun ruined him. I love Jimmy, but Ronnie was an evil bastard.

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Response to MiniMe (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:05 PM

9. Well, I am thinking about the Constitution, the order of succession.

1. President.
2. Vice President.
3. Speaker of the House.
4. Senator pro tempore.
5. Secy of State.
6. Secy of Defense.
7. Attorney General.
8. Secy of Interior.
9. Secy of Agriculture.
10. Secy of Commerce.
11. Secy of Labor.
Etc.

This according to the US Constitution (as amended) and the Presidential Succession Act.

If the Vice President and the president are both dead, or are unable to carry out their duties, the third in line is the Speaker of the House.

So why would any rational person put a person of Jimmie Carter's age as VEEP? No matter how beloved. And he deservedly is that and much more. But it is utter idiocy to suggest that he should run for federal office at this time. And he would agree, just like Elizabeth Warren has done, albeit for other reasons.

I call this kind of speculation presidential fantasy baseball. Fun, but just a game. And in the end, an all around worthless enterprise.

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Response to longship (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:01 PM

17. Add to that, what a step down for Jimmy

Running him as VP is not a compliment after having been President.

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Response to longship (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:32 PM

25. I agree, but it's highly unlikely they would both die of natural causes within a few

hours of each other. Presumably Carter would have a contingency plan in place and be ready to name a VP ASAP. And once that VP became President he or she would name a VP. And so on.

But, I dont think Carter has the energy or desire for a political race, so it's moot. And perception being important, no candidate for President who will be well over 60 on Day One is going to appoint someone older as VP.

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:14 PM

20. People who don't want Warren to run say she can do more good in the Senate, but

they don't say how.

Which bills so far have passed only because of Warren? Or failed only because of Warren.

If none is your answer to both those questions, what difference can you show her absence from the Senate would make?


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:47 PM

8. Carter is like 102, it's not gonna happen...

 

Sereis-ly, I'm too lazy to check, but he's gotta be in his 90's since he was in WWII.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:12 PM

11. He'd be 92 on election day 2016.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:34 PM

26. 102 is the new 92

or something. Give it time...

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:36 PM

27. Well, Strom "served" until he was over 100.

I've always said that Gore and Dole did not show their wit until after they lost.

When Strom ran for the last time, a talk show host asked Dole if Strom weren't too old to run for a six year term. Dole replied, "If he runs again next time, I'm going to say something."

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:12 PM

12. I think he's 88.

 

And yes, it is a ridiculous idea.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:16 PM

13. He may be old, but his grandson Jason Carter isn't.

Jason is running for governor here in Georgia. And Michelle Nunn is running for congress. And believe it or not, it just was announced on Channel 2 local news that Zell Miller has endorsed her.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:22 PM

15. Oh great, Zell Phuckwad Miller...Zell Traitorous Bastard Miller

 

That endorsement will help...what a fool he is.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:30 PM

24. actually in Georgia it will be a huge help

No he isn't my cup of tea but in Georgia he is still quite popular.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:40 PM

29. I still don't like family political dynasties.

350 million Americans give or take. Surely, someone who is not named Nunn or Clinton or Bush or Udall can be found to serve. Elective public office should not amount to a family business.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:08 PM

10. No thanks.

BTW, has Warren declared already?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:41 PM

30. Has Hillary? Has anyone? I think Sanders may have come the closest.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:18 PM

14. Clap for Tinkerbell!! Clap as hard as you can!!...nt

Sid

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:18 PM

21. If Warren were to run, she would have to pick someone younger than herself as VP, not someone older.

JFK Johnson, Obama Biden. McCain and (gulp) Palin. Youth and experience. Ditto Bush and (gulp) Quayle.

Clinton picked someone in his own age group, but Clinton did present the "heartbeat away" issue. However if you have an older President you have to have a VP almost guaranteed to still be alive and well if and when the President ceases to be able to serve, for whatever reason.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:23 PM

22. I think democrats need a clear break with the republicans on foreign policy

 

and would like them to cultivate more liberal advisers like Juan Cole and Stephen Cohen. I am sick of Democrats retaining republican foreign policy honchos when there is no evidence of republicans being good at it. Just like trickle down doesn't work. The cold warrior mentality doesn't work either, particularly with regards to Israel.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:39 PM

28. I'm sure he could help in any way he could,

but didn't he 'over-manage?'

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:57 PM

31. Warren/Newsom.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:10 PM

32. Oh, man. Talk about a dream ticket.

Although selfishly I think we'll keep Gavin here in California for a few more years. Hopefully as governer in 2018. (Although Kamela Harris wouldn't be bad, either)

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