It's possible the first shot fired was legit if the cop felt his gun was being taken....

[Logical]

But the final ones were murder.

If the cop really thought his gun was being taken the first shot was possibly valid.

But the ending shot was just trying to kill him for no reason. Anger maybe.

The problem is I guarantee the cops story is being worked on to justify it. Something like "I saw him reaching for his waistband" etc. cops make up shit to cover their ass. And idiot jury's trust cops too much.

[WinkyDink]

1. No.

[Logical]

3. Wow, great informative response! nt

[CatWoman]

6. AGREED

and i'm not being sarcastic.

[Logical]

12. Well you added a lot also! Thanks! nt

[CatWoman]

29. anytime. nt

[WinkyDink]

40. Whattaya want? Your dependent clause ("if the cop felt....") is a big fat worthless premise.

IT DESERVES NOTHING IN RESPONSE.

[hopemountain]

58. agreed, winkydink

starting off an op with a "big fat worthless premise" - now, how is that "logical"?
i do not like being played with, either, logical. this is a serious issue and yet you see fit to see how you can play with it to get more views. have some respect.

[conservaphobe]

9. +1

[JaneyVee]

48. +1. Why even draw a gun for not walking on sidewalk.

[samsingh]

2. this 'i was afraid' defense is used to justify murder

way too often.

I think there was a huge distance between the two of them

[underpants]

4. Cops have a lot of training to not get themselves in that position

Situational awareness
Secure the area
Control the area
Non-lethal means of securing an individual. Physical training, stun guns, mace spray etc.

And always the ability to call for backup.

[Lex]

5. Cop fired on a fleeing kid. Shot him in the back.

So yeah, he must've felt his gun was being taken.

[Logical]

11. Wow, I said first shot! Read anything? nt

[Lex]

30. When was the first shot?

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At a fleeing kid? Do you know?

[Inkfreak]

35. Didn't the friend say the pig grabbed him and shot him?

And then Brown tried running. That's when the cop finished him off. I'm just going off what I read. I may be wrong.

No matter, the cop is a murderer.

[WinkyDink]

41. Another "wow" from someone who gripes about post quality?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. I don't even buy the story that the kid tried for his gun.

College bound kid with absolutely no rap sheet is going to try to grab a cop's gun? Please.

The closest thing I can think of is maybe AFTER the cop pulled his gun on the kid, he might have tried to push it out of line out of fear. Ie, to get the cop to follow one of the most basic laws of gun safety - don't aim your gun at a person.

[Lex]

10. It's bullshit.

That's why it makes no sense. Eyewitnesses said the cop kept firing at the kid in the back as he was fleeing, and even after the kid fell from the shots.

[Logical]

15. I also wonder if the cop pulled him into the vehicle which would...

Of not been justified at all.

[procon]

36. I've seen cops use this tactic with kids

There were are lot of black families in my MIL neighborhood, and kids were everywhere just doing normal stuff. The cops were constantly patrolling the area and harassing people for things like working in their yard or tinkering with their cars.

I'd be sitting on the porch as my MIL called out greetings and chatted with people as they walked by. Several times I saw cops stop some black guy and call them over to the car. Without warning the cop would suddenly grab the kid and drag him half through the car window.

The cop was like nose to nose with the kid and screaming obscenities in his face and threatening to arrest him. It was totally unprovoked and I saw it as an overt act of intimidation intended to create fear in the community.

[greyl]

45. Would HAVE not been ... nt

[Logical]

46. Shhot, how cute, grammar whining! nt

[WinkyDink]

53. Ignorance is not a source of pride, and "of" is not a verb form.

[Logical]

61. How cutte, I bett youu r a real joyy to hang outt withh! LOLOLOLOL!

[upaloopa]

16. Those are my thoughts also.

I think at times some people look for a scenario that would support the cop's actions because it is hard to accept the idea of a cop murdering a kid for no reason.
I do know if the shooter was just another civilian that shooter would be in custody and their picture would be all over the Internet.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

20. I don't see justified at all.

And this is yet another argument in favour of disarming beat police as far as I'm concerned. Armed police should ONLY be called to the scene of crimes where firearms are known to be in play.

[tblue37]

43. The cop thought he had a reason--the young man was black. For some cops, that is all

the reason they need.

[FarPoint]

31. I don't buy that excuse either....kid grabbed at his gun...

Falls in the same file cabinet as the dog ate my homework.

[Quayblue]

32. Yes

The car door was separating them; though it may seem like a trivial barrier, all one has to do is think about the last time they leaned through a car window to grab ANYTHING, and think about the cubersomeness of the process. This is what will prevent me from EVER drawing the conclusion Mr. Brown was attempting to grab this cop's weapon. Also, anyone that tall (Mr. Brown was 6' 3&quot would have some difficulty quickly maneuvering himself inside the car window to even begin attempting to remove the firearm.

I am not buying this shit either. I'm not buying any bit of this shit with a half a goddamn penny.

[sufrommich]

8. I have a hard time believing a kid who has never

been in trouble before that day attempted to take a gun from a cop,makes no sense.

[Logical]

23. I agree! nt

[MohRokTah]

13. There's video of the shooting.

It corroborates Johnson's story of what happened to his friend.

Of course, there was video of Rodney King being beaten, too.

[tkmorris]

33. I heard there was a new witness, who has video

Video of WHAT exactly was never made clear.

[HooptieWagon]

14. As I understand...

The cop reached out his window and grabbed Brown. It would be difficult, if not impossible, for Brown to reach the cop's gun. Brown, according to witnesses, attempted to pull away, whereupon the cop drew his gun and shot him. Brown then began to run away, and the cop shot him in the back. Brown then stopped, turned around, and raised his hands, and the cop shot him again. Brown fell to the ground, and the cop ran up to him, stood over him, and emptied his weapon into him. The policy story is a lame attempt to make this "justified", but by all appearances it's plain cold-blooded murder. There are two eye-witnesses, whose accounts agree perfectly, and a video that cooberates those accounts. Ferguson PD is covering up a murder, not investigating it.

[Logical]

18. I 100% agree, if the cop pulled him in it removes the gun stealing theory.....

It is possible the fucking cop did it as an excuse to say his gun was in danger!

[justiceischeap]

19. And, as of yet, these two witnesses have not been interviewed by authorities

They've had to go to media to get their statements into the public record. That's shady, right there.

[Logical]

26. The cops are trying to get their excuses in line first. Nt

[MohRokTah]

25. That's apparently how it happens on the video that has surfaced, too.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/08/new_video_witness_in_michael_brown_shooting.html

[VanGoghRocks]

37. You want to know what to me is the saddest thing? According to the friend who was with

Mr. Brown when he got shot (I don't remember his name right off-hand -- Dorian Johnson? -- but he was interviewed on MSNBC as an 'eye witness'), after Brown was shot but before he fell to the ground, Brown's final words were to tell his friend to "run away".

I have been crying about this off and on for the past three days at the thought that Brown's final thoughts were to protect his friend and not himself.

[uponit7771]

67. +1

[hedgehog]

17. If we are to believe that Mr. Brown grabbed for the gun,

then either

- we must believe that Mr. Brown stuck his torso into a car window to reach across the seated officer and pull the gun out of the holster on the officer's right hip

or

- the gun was already out of the holster and pointed at Mr. Brown.

[jwirr]

22. In reading all these posts I am wondering how much profiling has to do with all these killings?

[Logical]

28. If a white guy had been in the street no shooting would of happened. nt

[frylock]

57. the cop would've driven right on by

[Logical]

60. Yep! Disgusting! nt

[Cali_Democrat]

63. True. nt

[joeybee12]

24. So, Brown was able to take the gun when he had his back turned to the cop?

JFC

[loyalsister]

27. agreed

The idea that a black man would try to take a gun from a cop is suspect to me, too.

Black youth are taught at a pretty early age about profiling and advised to keep their hands in sight. Parents have to teach that police assume that they have criminal tendencies.

[Lint Head]

34. One of the witnesses said the cop was

in his car and grabbed Brown by his neck either while exiting his car or still sitting as Brown stood alongside.

[HooptieWagon]

38. Two witnesses, and a confirming video.

Cops are lying their asses off.

[Hoyt]

39. The suspect policeman sounds like a George Zimmerman that "qualified" for service.

I have a hard time supporting a poster that promotes guns, but it is "possible" there is some justification for the first shot. Although I am skeptical of that, the rest of the shots can't be rationalized as anything but murder.

[tblue37]

42. According to the eyewitnesses (plural), there was *no* scuffle for the gun, just the cop

reaching through the window of his vehicle and manhandling the kid and threatening to shoot the him simply because he didn't like what he thought the kid had said or the tone he thought the kid had used.

[Boom Sound 416]

47. That's logical

[DallasNE]

49. A New Witness Says

That the kid was outside the car trying to pull away as the cop tugged at him through the window from inside the car and then a shot is fired. The kid pulled away and the cop shot him in the back causing the kid to put up his hands but the cop just kept shooting.

[Rex]

50. Where is the audio and video footage from the patrol car?

Speculation can be verified, but I wonder how much evidence has already been destroyed or tampered with?

[Kelvin Mace]

52. I would guess that the footage has been examined

and if it backs up witness testimony, it has been, or will be, destroyed.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. Problem is

The jury, which will be all, or mostly white, will say that if the first shot was justified, lethal force was justified, so every bullet after the first is not germane.

The cop will walk and then this country will explode and the crackdown will really begin.

[Sunlei]

54. armed rage-the cop pulled the man close to him so he could shoot him. I bet he had his gun out when

he first car-door slammed them.

[Maedhros]

55. If Mr. Brown attempted to grab the police officer's weapon,

then we know that he failed - the police officer clearly had control of his weapon when he shot Mr. Brown.

Assuming there was a struggle for control of the weapon, we know that the police officer prevailed. Once the officer secured possession of his weapon, any legitimate reason for shooting Mr. Brown vanished.

There is really no conceivable defense of this action.

[WinkyDink]

56. "If the cop felt"; "If the cop pulled him"; "If a white guy". Are the known facts insufficient?

[rock]

59. Is this (given the facts as we understand them) murder 2?

Is it too late for manslaughter?

[HooptieWagon]

69. Yes. Murder 2.

As it appears to me. And it appears to me PD is attempting to cover it up.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. The whole story is bullshit

An unarmed kid with no criminal record and ready to start college in a week reaches into a cop car and tries to grab an officer's gun after being accused of jay walking?

BULLSHIT.

[etherealtruth]

64. Anything is possible ...I may become a billionaire

Possible, yes ... probable .... not so much

[Stellar]

65. and that's why the people were told to turn off their cameras.

That way no one would be able to see that one person in the dark, trying to take an officers gun away, and his police buddies wouldn't see it either.

Was he the only one wearing his gun when all of the rest had their guns out and ready...aim... (in the dark).

[kwassa]

66. The cop felt his gun was being taken when the boy ran away from him ...

therefore shooting him in the back.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Warren Stupidity]

68. The kid was shot in the back. WTF. Why do the "could have been a unicorn" posts always show up?