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Now, if a cop says stop, the smart move is to throw up your hands and surrender.
But what if a creep in a pickup or SUV says stop? Maybe if Trayvon in THIS circumstance obeyed, he'd be alive. But what if it's a Tulsa-type creep?
And what kind of message is sent IF Bill Lee and Norm Wolfinger (who clearly, clearly engaged in a coverup - a coverup that will probably mean that Zimmerman eventually walks) are not held accountable?
If afraid the message is: Get a gun. And where the hell will THAT lead?
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... and that is to RUN... Zig-zag... Run... Zig-zag... Run!
That's not cowardice... that's prudence.
It's a fucking combat zone out there!
Bucky
(53,993 posts)When that was from a movie, it was a comedy. Now that it's from reality, it's just a grim joke.
bottom line
(94 posts)This is my 2nd response to the many posts. The 1st: a 17 year old teenager followed, threatened & murdered.
I know we have an incredible President who gave a dignified response.
I know there is a parallel investigation of what is civil rights and the abuse of.
I know SYG is a loophole to the constitution and will not stand the test of time.
I KNOW: TRY THEY MAY TO INCITE, WE WILL ONLY
UNITE
bart95
(488 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)
pull over as soon as you are signaled
turn on your dome light
have license, reg and ins ready
keys out of the ignition
hands on the steering wheel
dont reach for anything, and in particular, dont make eye contact if you do
why? to tell him your arent armed, and you dont plan to run. (which also implies you're not a dangerous felon or an escaped convict) that's what they're trying to figure out as they approach the car. so the driver can calm down the armed stranger walking towards him
i've been pullled over once since i heard it, and got a warning (seat belt)
that's what the cop told this clean cut white guy
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Because now there's a large number who defend Zimmerman. And do they think they're empowered to follow his lead?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I clear difference to anyone paying attention. Kinda like night and day.
bart95
(488 posts)it is not in anyone's self interest to put themselves in Zimmerman's position
rightly or wrongly, he is at serious criminal charge, liability and personal safety risk
i would never have considered using a gun for those reasons, and i didnt need this incident to come to that conclusion, i already had
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)bart95
(488 posts)but i'm on neither the police or the da's payroll
that's their burdon, not mine
in any case, i dont have any sympathy for the predicament he (zimmerman)chose to put himself in
by arming himself, he exposed to put what he claimed to be protecting, at massive financial risk
any type of security detail, beyond unarmed non confrontational watch, needs to be handled by trained, bonded professionals
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Who all killed children or young adults near Trayvon's age.
So when two licensed carriers have a gunfight, who is at fault - are one or both standing their ground? How can you even sort it out? How quickly do you reach for your gun in a bar fight? If an unarmed child can be gunned down in a public space (even if he threw the first punch in defense), how are you ever going to sort this out?
A crazy guy in a SUV is following you with a gun on his hip? What the hell are you supposed to do?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This is a favorite among gun rights enthusiasts. There are different mind sets among different people. Most people do not ever feel the need to carry a gun.
If we are devolving to something akin to the wild west, the days of dueling or the like, and we appear to be, blacks could resort to CCW or open carry as the state they live in allows, as a matter of course.
Would it stifle white supremacists to know that blacks are armed and trained to fight back with their weapons of choice?
I don't know. But at one time we had infrastructure and law enforcement that was supposed to be regulated, by citizens review commissions, to keep them fair and all citizens treated as they should be. Now we don't have much of any regulation or citizen input in the way these things are being done.
Someone else can give you a better answer, I'm sure.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)for Zimmerman's immediate arrest. If there were mitigating circumstances, let that come up at the trial.
But instead, the RW media rallied to Zimmerman's defense. One wonders if they think anything through.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And at that point, RW media loads the gun of the mind toward liberals, Democrats, immigrants, minorities, etc. We are trapped inside our flesh and can't help but react.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)I don't think we're there yet, but it's looking less crazy every day.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The chance of our worst nightmares coming to pass are never any better than 50%.
provis99
(13,062 posts)for a lot of people, having a gun makes them more confident in pushing other people around.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)davekriss
(4,616 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)In 99+% of cases the correct advice would apply to either race.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)I honestly could not say the same were races reversed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)no, not made up, it is very real.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)we are back in a very dark place in American history, if we ever left...
I don't have kids, but as a White Jew I know that my kids would have far less chances of being stopped, and question for walking or driving while black. I also know security will not become like dirt to them.
That said, since I do have an accent, once they hear me at stores, I tend to get some of that treatment as well.
saras
(6,670 posts)You'd better use a sniper rifle if you want to mess with someone, because 16 square blocks will turn to dust.
applegrove
(118,609 posts)you & following you on the street after this? Same as racism cause it is racism. It is a big piece of shit the world has put on these kids young lives which traumatizes them. I mean the police and the lawyers are having a hard enough time dealing with the this specific case and they have had weeks ........ how they hell are 17 year old boys supposed to be any wiser in the seconds it took for this to happen to Trayvon.
davekriss
(4,616 posts)Brother Man nowadays living in the ghetto...
This is a violent civilization
If civilization's where I am
Every channel that I stop on
Got a different kind of cop on
Killing them by the million for Uncle Sam
Saturday night just ain't that special
Yeah, I got the constitution on the run
'Cause even though we've got the right
To defend our home, to defend our life
Got to understand to get it in hand about the guns
Saturday night just ain't that special
Freedom to be afraid is all you want
Yes if you don't want to be next
You've got a family to protect
9 out of 10, you've got a friend, you've got a gun.
Everybody got a pistol, this mosty be the NRA
Yeah 'cause when it's time to shine up
You know damn well they're gonna line up
Everybody...
And the philosophy seem to be
At least as near as I can see
When other folks give up theirs, I'll give up mine
Or, per an earlier post: We're all livin in Beirut