Camo-clad men kill two immigrants in Arizona

[ck4829]

The Pima County, Ariz., Sheriff’s Department is investigating the death of two Latino immigrants who were shot last night when a group of men wearing camouflage ambushed their pickup truck.

Sheriff’s Deputy Dawn Barkman told local news outlets that the shooting occurred in Eloy, about 60 miles north of Tucson. He added that the victims were traveling with a larger group in a wash commonly used for human smuggling when an unknown number of men armed with rifles began firing.

Investigators responding to the shooting found one of the victims in the bed of the truck. A second was found nearby on the ground. Several others who survived were hiding in the brush nearby.

The Tucson Sentinel reported that on Jan. 27, 2007, four men wearing military-style berets and camouflage clothing shot at a group of undocumented immigrants in a vehicle traveling through an Eloy farm field. A man and a 12-year-old child were killed.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/09/camo-clad-men-said-to-kill-two-undocumented-immigrants-in-arizona/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x780012

[Ian David]

1. More TeaTerror.

http://tinyurl.com/TeaTerror
http://tinyurl.com/TeaTerror2

[lolita]

67. Or more CIA stuff ordered by the Hidden Hand...

[Ian David]

69. I was JUST about to ask someone on MIRT to review this account, but they beat me to it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=283286&sub=trans

[DisgustipatedinCA]

2. Can we just make Arizona a gift to Mexico? 'Baggers would have heart attacks all over the place.

Yes, I know, many good DUers and other innocents live in Arizona, as they do in Texas, California, and every other state. But boy oh boy, Arizona seems to get in the news a lot for reasons based in hatred.

[RKP5637]

4. If one looks at the map of hate groups is this country, frankly, it's frightening. And

Arizona doesn't even lead the list.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

[Art_from_Ark]

17. Reading about the incidents is also frightening

The Youngbloods had the right idea back in 1967:

[RKP5637]

21. Yep, they sure did!!! n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

24. "We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grasss"

That song has proved to be timeless.

[RKP5637]

26. It certainly has! So many of the songs back then had sooo much meaning and

feeling. I often think of that, "We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass." All of the fussing, fuming and oneupmanship today, and most of these people will be forgotten in history. Yet the anxiety and unfairness they cause today to others.

[Snotcicles]

55. Mexico would just try to re-gift it to Guatemala.nt

[Egalitarian Thug]

64. Make it a package deal with Texas and I'll go for it. n/t

[RKP5637]

3. Domestic terrorists! AKA Tea Terror! n/t

[mike_c]

5. can you say "death squad...?"

I know you can.

[UTUSN]

6. R#8 & K n/t

[WillyT]

7. Homegrown American Terrorists... Bet On It !!!

[Hoyt]

8. The damn border klan. Hope they catch them. But it's Arizona, so who knows if they'd be convicted.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Reich wing tea party supporters I'm sure

They don't value human life.

[Boabab]

10. Its getting uglier in this country by the day.

[Doctor_J]

11. More teabaggers with guns

this will continue until we actually fight back

[chrisa]

12. Border militia. I wouldn't trust them with a dull penny.

Those people who hid in the bushes were lucky. They probably would have been executed - especially if these were the hardcore white supremacist types.

If the guns used were AR-15's, or rifles, I would say it's definitely American militia doing the shooting. Luckily, incidents like this are rare, but this should be nipped in the bud before minor incidents evolve into actual skirmishes.

[saras]

13. Can anyone tell me why we're NOT sending DHS in to clean up these terrorists from coast to coast?

Aren't these people - gangs of murdering thugs just driving around shooting people - EXACTLY what the Patriot Act and Homeland Security were created for? Can't we just let them go with all their high-tech, and round up all the gangs that train these killers?

[meow2u3]

14. DHS is too busy harassing peaceful protesters

to bother with going after the real terrorists--those who actually murder people and intimidate governments into doing their bidding.

[intheflow]

56. But they're killing illegal immigrants.

DHS officials probably secretly wish they could do the same.

[dixiegrrrrl]

57. What were the Patriot Act and Homeland Security were created for?

I think that is becoming more obvious each passing day..

[Lint Head]

16. I do not think it is hyperbole to say that there are sparks of racial incidents that could lead to

violence that history has previously defined as revolutionary battles. I do not mean as in the American Revolution but things are coming to a head very fast. "Hate Mongers" have national platforms that are subsidized with advertisements by corporations. These tools of hate propaganda are considered experts to the bigots and racists that occupy the darkest corners of American society. Free speech is still limited to he fact you cannot shout fire in a crowded theater to panic people who do not realize there is no fire and eventually trample each other to death trying to escape. At the end of WII the Japanese people actually jumped off of cliffs to avoid the American occupation because of the fear filled lies they were fed about the American military.

Fear is a forceful tool of liars in need of money and power.

[bluedigger]

18. This is no damn good.

I have a friend with the BP down there. She has a dangerous enough job without murderous vigilantes to deal with.

[slackmaster]

19. Mexican border bandits NEVER wear camouflage

[Paladin]

22. You Can Always Hope It Was Gang-Related, Slack. (n/t)

[slackmaster]

25. Two or more assailants wearing similar attire qualifies this as a gang hit

We reach.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Or a militia hit.

[slackmaster]

28. What's the difference between an outlaw militia and an outlaw criminal gaing?

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. There are... it's called motives

a criminal gang for money... a white supremacist group, add hate crimes.

The difference, oh ten years in the slammer.

[Doctor_J]

62. Ask the Limbeciles

They'll tell you one is a group of freedom-loving patriots, and the other is a bunch of hoody-wearing youths with dark skin. And since Hate Radio told them so, it must be true.

[sudopod]

33. lol nt

[Doctor_J]

61. Good one, Paladin

You nipped that red herring in the bud. Too bad the gunsters' list is so long.

[WorkBoots]

20. I hate to say it

But does anyone think this could have been a rival coyote targeting a competitor?

[ck4829]

23. I wish somebody would find out

Second shooting of this style (That we know of), neo-nazis, coyotes, or martians, it doesn't matter; it needs to be found out and stopped now.

[got root]

29. I think it's much more likely that it is one of our own 'patriots'

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Coyotes and mexican drug gangs

don't wear camouflage.

They don't even when playing for keeps with the Mexican Army and Navy.

[RZM]

32. There's not enough information here to say who might have done this with any degree of certainty

Could be a border militia and it could be the gangs/cartels. The latter are far more numerous and responsible for far more violence, so logic would dictate that they are the prime suspects. But there's just no way to know with the information we have here. It could also be something else entirely that we're not even considering.

Hopefully the people who did this, whoever they are, will be caught.

[TheCruces]

42. I would say border militia is WAY more likely than gangs/cartels

Arizona is pretty fucking racist about Mexicans. There's really not all that much violence from gangs/cartels north of the border. Look at El Paso. El Paso is a pretty safe city. Juarez is one of the most dangerous cities on the planet and they are right next to each other.

I live in the Borderland so I'm more familiar with the situation than somebody in Ohio would be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Yup

Also as I pointed above cartels/ coyotes don't wear cammo.

[RZM]

54. There are many millions of people who are racist in some way or another

Only the tiniest percentage of them go around killing people because of it. The cartels, however, are a different story.

From what I know, cartel violence is relatively rare this side of the border. But so are random militia murders. It would be interesting to catalog documented instances of both in the border region. I'll be the former, rare as they are, still outnumber the latter.

But hey, I wouldn't put it past some racist nutjob to do this. I just don't think there's any evidence of that so far. It could have been anybody.

Also, I do think it should be mentioned that many people here are always hoping that the perpetrators of violence turn out to be right wingers, because it confirms their world view. This fuels a lot of predictions and conjecture that turn out to be false. Just recently such predictions were made with the Giffords shooting, the Toulouse murders, and now the Iraqi woman in Califorina. In the first two cases, the predictions didn't pan out and it looks like they might not in the third as well.

Hopefully we'll find out here one way or another. I care less about who the killers were and more that they be found and removed from the streets, whoever they are.

[TheCruces]

68. I'm not saying this because it "confirms my world view"

I'm saying this because I live on the border and I actually understand the realities of the situation more than somebody in Ohio does.

[RZM]

70. It's not about your understsanding of the racial climate, it's about who commits cold-blooded murder

How many RW racist militia members have murdered immigrants in the southwest in recent years? I can think of one major case, though I'm sure there have been more.

Then compare that to the number of drug/cartel/coyote murders in the southwest during in the same period. I don't know how many of those there have been either, but I'm pretty sure the number is higher than zero.

That would probably be the best way to make a prediction about who did this. Absent that data, we're really just guessing. My personal suspicion is that the cartels are slightly more likely to be responsible, but I just can't know that. I wouldn't be surprised if it was either group.

Without the data, I just don't see how your opinion is more valid or your prediction is more likely. Yes you live down there and you know that there is a lot of racism. But it's not like that's a secret to everybody else.

[TheCruces]

72. I don't live in AZ

I live in the saner state of New Mexico close to the Texas/Chihuahua border.

[Initech]

34. The Tea Party Terrorists strike again

Seriously folks - we need to start drawing the parallels - these are some dangerous motherfuckers in our country - they're no better than the Taliban or better than the rise of the Nazis - we need to watch them like hawks.

[MrScorpio]

36. US Border Guard...

[lonestarnot]

38. Where's your fucking sarcasm tag? They killed a 12 year old child!

[MrScorpio]

39. He's serious

People like that don't mind killing 12 year olds at all, just as long as they're the "right" 12 year olds.

[pinboy3niner]

41. Jury results:

At Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:43 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

Salute the camoflaged protectors!

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

RW troll advocating shooting border-crossers. TOS checked.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:49 PM, and voted 6-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: At first I thought the post was misunderstood sarcasm. Since it is not, I suggest you look elsewhere for like minded people.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: DAMN TROLLS
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Need a little troll-be-gone for this one. HIDE
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Good job checking TOS on this one.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Too obvious.

[uppityperson]

43. And he is gone. Banned by 3 different MIRTers at the same time.

[uppityperson]

43. Huh, posting during backup or whatever DU does this time of night makes multiposts

cool

[uppityperson]

43. 43 part 3. Maybe I'll try tomorrow to see if I can get several more of the same numbers and posts

glitching.

Betcha he's still banned.

[pinboy3niner]

46. You've created a new DU meme, lol

43

[uppityperson]

47. It is an odd bug. I posted in H/M to let admin know. Heh, no 44 or 45!

I co-opted them into 43

[EFerrari]

49. We had two number twos the other night

posted at the same time.

[pinboy3niner]

50. We just had two #9s in the Occupy Underground Group

The timestamps were the same as uppityperson's posts.

[EFerrari]

40. Yeah but what would happen if 10,000 freakers all put their beer down,

pulled up their underwear and left their parents' basement at the same time?

[lonestarnot]

37. WTF!

Disgusting fucking pigs! A 12 year old child. I wonder if they are actually proud of themselves. Prollee fought over some hero trophy and confirmed among themselves that they should have a metal of some notoriety from some gum ball machine duffuses fucking piles without the collective sense of a gnat shit.

[ellisonz]

51. Good thing Arizona now allows suppressors and high-capacity mags while hunting...

Arizona Governor signs pro-gun hunting bill

And I was told that calling such an act a "human-hunting bill" was outrageous and that there isn't a problem with right-wing extremists in Arizona, that to suppose as such was Arizona bashing, that things like this don't happen often, and that such a measure is justified by the attacks of smugglers on Arizonans.

I'm going for all in that thread who argued with my analysis.

[pinboy3niner]

52. And a bill to create an armed, volunteer militia is moving through the AZ House

Bill to establish armed, state militia passes hurdle

by Yvonne Wingett Sanchez - Mar. 14, 2012 09:05 PM
The Republic | azcentral.com

State legislation proposing to establish an armed, volunteer militia to patrol the Arizona-Mexico border for undocumented immigrants and drug traffickers will be debated by the full House.

Senate Bill 1083, which would create and fund an Arizona Special Missions Unit, advanced Wednesday through the House Military Affairs and Public Safety Committee on a party-line 6-3 vote after lengthy debate. The bill next goes to the Appropriations Committee, then to the Rules Committee for vetting, then to the floor of the House for a debate and vote.

...


When called into duty, unit members could detain and arrest suspects until a law-enforcement agency took over and would have immunity for acts that occur while on duty -- similar to immunity granted to police and other law enforcers that prevents prosecution while doing their jobs.

...


http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/03/14/20120314bill-establish-armed-state-militia-moves-full-house.html

Remember when this Neo-nazi group was doing 'volunteer' patrols on the border?



If a state militia should become a reality, I wonder where it will get its volunteers from?

[ellisonz]

53. If it passes, I bet Brewer signs...

The recruits will be Boy Scouts!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

63. More likely customers of Manny's Big and Tall stores.

[dixiegrrrrl]

59. As if Alabama needs anymore ideas.

[ellisonz]

71. Re: Alabama

[Mr Dixon]

58. SMH

I’m sure some people will applaud these cowardly actions, however how long do you think it is going to take before these immigrants start shoot back?

[a la izquierda]

60. What?

Are you serious? Do you mean your average Joe immigrant just coming here to get a job? Or are you referring to narcos on the border?
I'll withhold rant until you respond, when/if you do.

[Recovered Repug]

65. Is this an old article or am I missing something?

The article starts off saying that the shooting happened "last night", but the date given is from Jan 2007. Are two separate, but similar, shootings being referenced?

[ck4829]

66. This is the second shooting like this.

The last paragraph is mentioning the shooting in 2007.