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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:09 AM Aug 2014

Amazing! At least 100 Americans are more powerful than President Obama.

I grew up thinking that the President of the United States is the most powerful person on Earth. Turns out I was very wrong.

Several times each day I read learned posts on this site which state that Elizabeth Warren* can do more good in the Senate than as President. I hate that I was wrong before, but am glad I'm wiser now and that Warren's already reached the pinnacle of power.

Although it does leave me with a few nagging questions. Like why did Senator Obama (who said he wasn't running) run for the Presidency against Senator McCain. Were they OK with less power because they got the cool plane? And the helicopters?

And why does the President get paid a lot more than Senators? Do Senators get to make their own secret kill lists?

Or perhaps Presidents are actually more powerful than Senators, but some people need an excuse for why certain Presidents haven't gotten the job done, the fundamental job of turning around the economic plight of the 99%?

Anyway, I just want to thank the good people of DU for setting me straight. This is really complicated stuff, and I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

*yes, who's really, really not running and you desperately need us to understand that, got it.

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Amazing! At least 100 Americans are more powerful than President Obama. (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 OP
That is a pretty funny excuse for LuvNewcastle Aug 2014 #1
No one is saying she'd be more effective in the Senate. pnwmom Aug 2014 #2
Link please. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #3
Well... MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #4
Maybe, but those 100 are not elected officials* conservaphobe Aug 2014 #5
The search for the new Messiah continues. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #6
I think the argument is one of amount of time dsc Aug 2014 #7
No, Superman is the "most powerful person on Earth". Glad you finally learned about how KittyWampus Aug 2014 #8
Do you think Hillary has a stronger track record on these things? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #9
only when Thor is off world ;) NM_Birder Aug 2014 #13
Good questions. That has not even been considered treestar Aug 2014 #15
This is not the CFPB your looking for. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #17
Funny your subject line doesn't say "...more powerful than the President." randome Aug 2014 #10
Maybe people think Warren's particular set of skills is better suited for the Senate. DanTex Aug 2014 #11
ABANDON THE GOURD.....FOLLOW THE SHOE !!!!!! NM_Birder Aug 2014 #12
If you grew up thinking that, you don't have a good high school treestar Aug 2014 #14
So 1% of the Senate is more powerful than 100% of the Executive? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #16
Not how separation of powers and checks and balances work. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #18
I'm not sure how your post is relevant to mine, MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #19
No, as you should have learned treestar Aug 2014 #20

LuvNewcastle

(16,838 posts)
1. That is a pretty funny excuse for
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:40 AM
Aug 2014

not supporting a Warren candidacy. Warren has her weaknesses as a candidate, but saying that she would be more effective in the Senate than as President is rather disingenous. Now, if they want to say that Warren is better suited for the Senate than the Presidency, that is different.

pnwmom

(108,960 posts)
2. No one is saying she'd be more effective in the Senate.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 01:30 AM
Aug 2014

That is different from saying that we need to retain our Senate majority, and a single Senator could be the critical one.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
7. I think the argument is one of amount of time
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:10 AM
Aug 2014

A Senate career can be decades long while a person is only President for at most 10 years (get elevated as VP, then win two terms). One example of someone who did more as a Senator than he likely would have as President would be Teddy Kennedy.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
8. No, Superman is the "most powerful person on Earth". Glad you finally learned about how
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:12 AM
Aug 2014

a representative democracy works.

Maybe now your posts will reflect that reality rather than a fantasy world where POTUS waves his magic wand.

As for Warren, has she shown any real capacity for executive leadership? Coalition building?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. Do you think Hillary has a stronger track record on these things?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:26 AM
Aug 2014

Or anyone else who's a potential candidate?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. Good questions. That has not even been considered
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:03 AM
Aug 2014

She's said some things people want to hear.

Generally there are calls for someone to be President, because they've said a Good Thing. It's not just Warren.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Funny your subject line doesn't say "...more powerful than the President."
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:30 AM
Aug 2014

You had to make it about Obama, didn't you?
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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. Maybe people think Warren's particular set of skills is better suited for the Senate.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:53 AM
Aug 2014

That's what she seems to think, also.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
14. If you grew up thinking that, you don't have a good high school
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:01 AM
Aug 2014

There are three branches, each one is equally powerful. Each has power to check the others. It does not matter who is President. The power attributed to the Executive Branch remains the same.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. Not how separation of powers and checks and balances work.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:31 PM
Aug 2014

The Senate has powers the President doesn't, and the President has powers the Senate doesn't.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. No, as you should have learned
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:04 PM
Aug 2014

The Senate plus House equals the Presidency.

These things remain the same no matter which humans inhabit the 535 congressional seats or which one inhabits the Oval Office.

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