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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:49 AM Aug 2014

Paul Krugman- The Forever Slump

It’s hard to believe, but almost six years have passed since the fall of Lehman Brothers ushered in the worst economic crisis since the 1930s. Many people, myself included, would like to move on to other subjects. But we can’t, because the crisis is by no means over. Recovery is far from complete, and the wrong policies could still turn economic weakness into a more or less permanent depression.

In fact, that’s what seems to be happening in Europe as we speak. And the rest of us should learn from Europe’s experience.

Before I get to the latest bad news, let’s talk about the great policy argument that has raged for more than five years. It’s easy to get bogged down in the details, but basically it has been a debate between the too-muchers and the not-enoughers.

The too-muchers have warned incessantly that the things governments and central banks are doing to limit the depth of the slump are setting the stage for something even worse. Deficit spending, they suggested, could provoke a Greek-style crisis any day now — within two years, declared Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles some three and a half years ago. Asset purchases by the Federal Reserve would “risk currency debasement and inflation,” declared a who’s who of Republican economists, investors, and pundits in a 2010 open letter to Ben Bernanke.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/15/opinion/paul-krugman-the-forever-slump.html?_r=0

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merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. It's between the corporate welfare queens and taxpayers.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:54 AM
Aug 2014

When General Electric owes no taxes, but a bus driver does, something is very wrong. And it involves politicians as well as big business.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
4. That's because the consequences of Austerity aren't being made clear
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:48 PM
Aug 2014

Repubs act like making a balanced budget would be a piece of cake. No one calls them on this BS. Even Paul Ryan can't make his budget work without magic ponies.

In reality, people should be told the truth- If you really want a balanced budget, you are going to have to pay more in taxes, especially if you are a millionaire. Or, You are going to have to have a smaller military. ANd you are going to have to plan for paying much more for your medical expenses and your own retirement when you get old. And you can kiss clean air and water and food goodbye.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
7. We HAD a balanced budget, and taxes didn't go up. See: Administration, William Jefferson Clinton.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:53 PM
Aug 2014
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
18. Which is why the nation's coffers have been depleted ever since.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 08:25 AM
Aug 2014

"During the campaign four years ago, then-Senator Barack Obama called for families making over $250,000 a year to return to their Clinton-era of income tax rate of 39.6 percent, up from 35 percent under President Bush."
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/15-things-gop-doesnt-want-you-know-about-taxes-debt

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/002049.htm




former9thward

(31,923 posts)
20. Well Obama continued the tax cuts for almost everybody.
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 09:48 AM
Aug 2014

It was a bad decision. Nobody should have tax cuts at any level when we are broke and fighting a war.

former9thward

(31,923 posts)
15. All would have to pay more taxes.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:25 PM
Aug 2014

Millionaires just don't do it no matter how much they are demonized. Your second point is also true, mostly. We need a significantly smaller military. Which will mean layoffs on a massive scale. I believe your point about air, water and food is incorrect. The amount in the budget for those items is a flyspeck.

edhopper

(33,465 posts)
19. SS and Medicare
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 08:54 AM
Aug 2014

would be fixed by raising the cap, so no on those two items. Considering the top 10% pay 70% of income tax and you combine that with removing the special treatment of capital gains, you make a big step, so yes, it is largely the millionaires.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
6. Nobody was punished. And Simpson/Bowles want fear to effect the privatization of Social Security.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014
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