Is the term, "Republican" interchangeable with the term, "White"?

[AgingAmerican]

And if so, why?

[gollygee]

1. Obviously not

but, just so people know what you're talking about, here's the thread. http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025390579

[AgingAmerican]

3. I am not talking about any single specific thread

I am talking in general, especially in the context of race relations or racism.

[gollygee]

33. This is ridiculous

Democrats do claim that they don't benefit from white privilege, and that racism is pretty much a thing of the past (at least substantially.) Also, I've heard Democrats assure me that they aren't racist because they have black friends. And I have absolutely, and frequently, heard Democrats say they are color blind and don't see race. I also heard a Democrat say that Trayvon Martin shouldn't have worn a hoodie if he didn't want to be mistaken for a criminal. I also sincerely doubt that only Republicans clutch their purses (or whatever) when they walk by African American young men. Those things are not "Republican talking points." They might be more commonly stated outright by Republicans, but they are not by any means specifically or only stated or felt by Republicans. And those are several points on my list, that you said was made up of Republican talking points.

No one has ever said that the term "Republican" is the same as "white." You are trying to mistakingly say that only Republicans are racist, and that's the real issue. Racism is a much bigger problem that that.

[AgingAmerican]

37. Those are a few of the talking points

Repeated daily on FOX news/Limbaugh/Beck daily. FOX OPENLY repeats them on show after show. They hammer them home as gospel daily.

Do you deny that these are repeated often on FOX news?

[gollygee]

39. I don't watch FOX News

I do speak to Democrats on a regular basis and I've heard it from them. It is possible that there are racist ideas shared by some Democrats and Fox News.

[gollygee]

43. It says white people need to stop saying them

If you don't say that, then it isn't talking to you.

And I disagree that it is a "tiny minority" of white Democrats.

[BainsBane]

54. Perhaps you should watch less Fox News

And do some actually reading on race and racism. Better yet, listen to what people of color have to say rather than accusing them of reciting Fox News talking points.

I seriously doubt you heard that on Fox News. It is not all all the sort of thing they would argue. Instead, they advance the racist argument about how oppressed white men are and how even mentioning racism is itself racist.

Sitting there telling an African American woman that she needs to "educate herself" on racism is way over the line. You are in no position to lecture her.

[gollygee]

64. I'm not African American

Definitely white.

[mercuryblues]

60. The odd

thing is. Some of these talking points were around before faux newz was on the air. So I find it hard to believe that they are the ones who started these talking points. The only thing they have done is keep them going.

[mercuryblues]

44. what is your

point? No one made any reference to political leanings, yet here you are whining about something. I guess the exact same words you stated in a reply here:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025390579

and here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390680

didn't get you enough attention, so you start a thread. Then to have the audacity to claim it has nothing to do with those other threads. Do you really think people are stupid and can't see through you posting your nonsense all over the place?

How terribly aggrieved you must feel for something. Why not just come uot and say exactly what it is, instead of trying to be slick with innuendo.

[betsuni]

50. Members of the white community

must accept that there will always be bad racist apples in the pale barrel. Nobody likes being stereotyped, but that's life. Hearing about something racist, we whites pray silently to ourselves, "Please let it be a Republican!" The relief when it is, the shame when it is not.

[mercuryblues]

61. Is that really

his point? I wish he would post a reply saying so.

Me no matter who says something racist, I feel shame that a person could be so hurtful. I feel angry that they have not matured beyond their own prejudices to see other human beings, as well, full human beings.

But to deny, that because of a person's political leanings automatically exempts them from racism is pure horse shit. It must be nice to sit in that ivory tower determining the character of a person based on their political stripes. It would make navigating this world so much easier.

Under his premise a democrat could not be sexist/misogynist/homophobic, because the democratic platform stands for equal rights. It also would stand to reason that a democrat would never drive a Hummer, because they are gas guzzlers.

I guess he believes that all democrats are the Prius driving, latte drinking, tree hugging, gun grabbing stereotype; that the republicans espouse ad nauseam. Without him commenting on his own thread that he considered an important enough topic to self-rec there is no way to tell if he believes the republican stereotype of democrats or if he is just shit stirring.

[betsuni]

63. I think it is the stirring of the shit.

[BainsBane]

55. His point is that he and others here should be immune

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from having to hear about racism because he doesn't believe it's possible for a Democrat to be racist.

[Number23]

58. Some knumbskull said the same thing to me not too long ago

Actually burned calories posting that it was impossible for liberals to be racist. With a thousand exclamation points and everything.

Easily one of the stupidest, most ignorant and dishonest conversations I've ever had.

[BainsBane]

68. A number of people say that

Not so coincidentally, they are the same one's who feel compelled to tell PoC to they are unnecessarily divisive for daring to speak about issues that concern them.

[Sheldon Cooper]

6. Here's another one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5390750

[bravenak]

11. There is an obsession.

[hlthe2b]

2. I would say white FEMALE Republicans are, like racial/ethnic groups, likely in the minority...

So, to the extent it is "interchangeable", given its strong correlation, it is surely "white males"...

One could surely further define based on "older age group" and regional factors.

That said, correlations are just that--reflecting an over-representation which is never remotely close to 100% (or interchangeable)

[AgingAmerican]

5. Very good answer

Thanks!

[mathematic]

23. Incorrect. Men and women are about equally likely to be republican.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/06/04/section-9-trends-in-party-affiliation/#gender-gap-in-party-id

The % that the demographic identifies as republican:
32% of non-hispanic white
25% of men
24% of women
5% of non-hispanic black

White women are almost certainly the largest demographic of republicans, given the greater participation of women in voting. Going by exit polls from 2012, white men and white women voting for Romney accounted for 42% of the total vote, with each contributing 21%.

[hlthe2b]

26. GOP Voters: Overwhelmingly White, Mostly Male: Pew 2012

The demographic differences between the Republican and Democratic voters are reflected in current profiles of the two parties’ bases. In surveys conducted in 2012, nearly nine-in-ten (87%) Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters are white, while just 11% are minorities. In contrast, 61% of Democrats are white, while nearly four-in-ten are African American (21%), Hispanic (10%) or another race (7%).

Men make up a majority (52%) of Republican Republican-leaning voters; among Democratic voters, 43% are men while 57% are women. Republican and Republican-leaning voters also are far more likely than Democratic voters to be married (65% of Republicans vs. 49% of Democrats).

http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-parties-in-2012/

[mathematic]

29. That does not support your claim or contradict my correction

In fact, it actually SUPPORTS what I said.

Men 47% of registered voters, 52% republican.
Women 53% of registered voters, 48% republican.

Therefore,
Republican men are .47*.52= 24% of registered voters
Republican women are .53*.48= 25% of registered voters

This is borne out by the actual exit polls results from 2012 that showed equal contributions of white men and white women to Romney's vote totals.

[hlthe2b]

34. Men are disproportionately represented among Repubican voters. Indeed they are

and that is what I SAID

[dawg]

4. No.

I'm not a Republican. (And I would be invisible in a snowstorm)

[CBGLuthier]

7. Is White interchangeable with Republican. No.

Now if you want to argue that most republicans are white then fine but to say the two are interchangeable is a failure in logic.

[AgingAmerican]

10. I concur

nt

[Squinch]

8. Is this a "stop being mean to me because I'm white" OP? Because if so,

[AgingAmerican]

9. No

It's a serious question.

Thanks for your reply!

[Squinch]

67. Nah. This is just you beating the "stop being mean to me because I'm white" drum. Again.

[winter is coming]

12. No. n/t

[grattsl]

13. Is water wet? Is everything that is wet water?

While it seems to be true that a Republican is most likely white. It doesn't hold that all whites are Republican in party, or thought process.

No, these are not interchangeable terms.

[jwirr]

14. Heavens no. There are a lot of us Democrats who are white.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Is black interchangeable with Democratic?

That's the better question.

If you look at how blacks voted over the past 30 - it becomes pretty clear who is NOT voting for Republicans.

MrScorpio did a great post in the AA Group this morning about self hating black Republicans. It's epic! I liked it!

[Xyzse]

16. No, with the term "privileged" perhaps?

[AgingAmerican]

19. Indeed!

nt

[BainsBane]

42. What complete BS

Democratic billionaires aren't really billonaires? Whether you are stopped for no reason while driving depends on how you vote? Republican women have birth control covered by Hobby Lobby?

[hifiguy]

17. Not entirely, but the coextensiveness

is pretty damned high. There's not a lot of space in part of the Venn diagram labeled "non-white Republican."

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. no, but the term is racist is not exclusive to republicans. especially the type of subtle racism

that we see in 2014.

[AverageJoe90]

20. The GOP is mostly white these days, yes.

Although this is primarily thanks to the Southern Strategy.....and, also, there's a good number of white folks, especially women, who are on the Democratic side of the political spectrum. So "white" isn't necessarily interchangeable with Republican, no.

[tkmorris]

21. No, and it's an offensive question

[Gothmog]

22. The GOP is only 90% white

[AgingAmerican]

45. And the Democratic party is about 60% white

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

[MrScorpio]

24. No, but "white supremacist" is internchangable with "racist" nt

[Louisiana1976]

30. Absolutely true.

[Johonny]

25. They only win the White male vote so...

What ever they are selling it is only bought by that thin select group of people.

[notadmblnd]

27. I associate it more with the words, greedy, selfish and thoughtless

[Quantess]

28. Clearly not.

I find the question insulting.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

31. Most people aren't even registered to vote.

It would be a poor assumption

[joeybee12]

32. No, it comes from the old Latin meaning "asshole" nt

[BillZBubb]

35. No. There are lots of white Democrats, independents and Greens.

But the republican base is overwhelmingly white and if you meet a southern white male, it's a very good bet he is a republican.

[Arrowood]

36. No...

[arcane1]

38. Of course not. I'm white, but I never call myself a republican.

[BainsBane]

41. I'm pretty sure my skin color doesn't change because of how I vote

Let me check.


Nope. Still white.


I have noticed a desperation to externalize racism by pretending it is something only Republicans demonstrate. The idea is preposterous. When I see someone repeatedly make such arguments, and consistently refuse to listen to people of color who actually experience racism, I know that the arguments they advance are every bit as racist as those on the right they pretend are so different from their own.

[betsuni]

46. #NotAllWhitePeople

We get it.

[Prophet 451]

47. Depends how you look at it

On one level, most (but not all) Republicans are white people. So it would be somewhat accurate to use the terms interchangeably.

On another level, the majority of Democrats are probably white as well.

[Nye Bevan]

48. Obama won 39% of the white vote.

So the answer is "no".

[AverageJoe90]

59. True, and probably would've been higher were it not for the Kochs and their ilk.....nt

[TrollBuster9090]

49. No. Venn Diagram. Virtually all Republicans are white, but not all white people are Republicans. nt

[winter is coming]

51. Why do you ask? It's pretty obvious there are a lot of non-Republican whites, so why ask? n/t

[onecaliberal]

52. Not only no, but hell no

[840high]

56. ....

[MADem]

53. I don't think there are a lot of Republicans in northern Europe.

There are a lot of white people, though.

I'd say the answer to your question is "no."

[JEB]

57. These days Republican is interchangeable with money grubbing, corporate sellout,

faux christer, fascist asshole scum.

[AngryAmish]

62. In multiracial societies political parties are racialized

The republican party is the party for white people. The Democratic Party is for everyone else and for those whites who do not like mainstream white culture (fox news, duck dynasty etc).

We live in a multiracial society.

[bigwillq]

65. No (nt)

[Thor_MN]

66. No

All Republicans are White. All Whites are Republicans.

Obviously, both untrue.

That said, Most Republicans are White, but Most Whites are not Republican.