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Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:25 AM

Cpt. Johnson is on the scene right now in Ferguson talking it out with some very stubborn youth

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. . . rain is coming down and there are a lot of youth just waiting around to see what happens when the curfew starts.

There are some very defiant, and others doing their very best to convince folks to go home.

What is interesting enough for me to post now is that Cpt. Ron Johnson is on the scene . . . also, there is a huge police presence, many of them lining the businesses on both sides of the street.

These folks with their camera phone are giving as much of a narration of events as anyone and they are giving a pretty real and direct account.

They intend to stay until curfew and beyond - determined to stay and record events.

They've gotten themselves over to a roped off area that seems to be reserved for press. it's a safe zone, as long as there isn't incoming violence because many of the police are lined up behind them.

Many folks are leaving . . .it may be the rain.

About 40 min. until curfew is in effect . . .no one really knows what will happen, but there are still youth who are talking defiantly and there's a good indication they are armed. As some already know, it is legal there to carry open guns.

There does seem to be an exodus going on . . .

I love these youth . . . all of them, and i hope for the best . . .

please tune in to one of the live feeds and provide more eyes and ears to keep the actual account true and propaganda free.

everyone focus all the positive energy you can manage toward this town . . .


pm to me this morning:

People who use infowars links need to check their privilege. From SPLC, your man Alex . . .


. . .definitely a case of my own ignorance and, in a part, my defensiveness at the time of the complaints about the links on this thread. I apologize for any hurt and offense I caused by posting the links and thank the posters who objected and dialogued with me on this subject for their input and information provided.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:29 AM

1. Yes,, but where is Obama and why isnt he doing something?

 

place rolling eyeballs --->here<---

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Response to JaydenD (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:32 AM

3. I don't have to tell you how irresponsible you're being right now

I'm going to put you permanently on ignore and I hope you'll find some where else to agitate other than this thread.

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Response to JaydenD (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:43 AM

10. Don't.

 

Make. This. About. An. Old. Post. Stop it.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:32 AM

2. I cannot make common cause with Infowars.

 

Never ever.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:33 AM

4. check one of the other feeds then

I'm not really up for a debate about infowars right now . . .

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Response to bigtree (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:35 AM

6. Tainted, IMO.

 

Sorry, putting Infowars in there taints the entire thing for me.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:37 AM

7. go to another live feed and ignore this thread . . .

. . . put some eyes and ears on the situation, instead of just getting it second-hand and incomplete from the networks

thanks for your consideration.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:42 AM

9. So you think the infowars feed is fake?

 

Or has been altered?

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:51 AM

63. This topic is about something extremely serious.

Not sure why you thought it was so important, more so than the topic of the OP, to let us know your choice of reading material.

Now back to the important issue which is the topic of this thread. The Gov of Missouri should be ashamed of himself. He's supposedly a Dem, like the Dems who were responsible for ordering the Millitary clad goons to beat up peaceful protesters nearly killing several of them, including two Iraq War Vets and an elderly Holocaust survivor during the peaceful OWS protests.

I believe now that it was all a setup. I didn't trust him from day one. He didn't show up for five days and ONLY showed his face AFTER the media began to finally start asking questions about the militarization of the police in this country.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #63)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:09 AM

74. CT woo taints everything associated with it.

 

For example, prior to this thread, I would generally consider anything the OP had to say or any stories posted. From now on, nothing the OP posts has any credibility whatsoever for me.

If one chooses to post links to CT woo sites, one must accept the consequences of doing so.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #74)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:06 AM

77. As I said, your personal choices of reading material I'm sure, are important to you. Btw, do you

use the Corporate Media, badly tainted with Woo, as a source for anything? Anyone who relies on the Lying, Corporate Controlled Media has zero credibility for most Dems. Infowars eg, did not lead this country into over a decade and still ongoing, illegal invasion based on LIES. They tainted themselves forever and nothing they have to say unless corroborated by other credible sources, should ever be taken seriously.

In fact the Corporate Media makes Alex Jones look like a pulitzer prize winning for journalism.

However, this isn't the thread for people to expound on their personal, and frankly completely irrelevant choices of reading material.

We now have a Gov painting a picture of people who have managed to peacefully protest over the past week, who were attacked by the Military Clad Goons sent in by those who are supposed to protect them, they are being painted right now on the Corporate Media with the help of the usual suspects, as 'dangerous'.

I will now go to see if Infowars is presenting the people of Ferguson as 'dangerous'. If so, then they go into the same category as our Corporate Media. Totally compromised and untrustworthy. If not, that puts them streets ahead of what passes for news media in this country.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:04 AM

83. At that point, it was all I could find.

 

I would not click on a single link you provided. By including infowars, you have lost every bit of credibility you ever had with me (and I used to take your posts into account and would consider what you had to say prior to this one post). I cannot believe or trust anything you ever post again, so I am now removing any possibility of ever seeing anything you ever post again.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #83)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:10 AM

85. see the op

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I wish you'd done more than just complain with generalities - I would definitely have made more of an effort to accommodate your view

I apologize for the harsh way that I dismissed your complaint and I can only offer now to make myself more accessible to your views in the future.

thank you for your input and consideration in opening this dialogue with me.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:43 AM

32. i'd prefer DU not give credibility to sites like Infowars.

Please find a better link.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:03 AM

48. go away - there are other feeds listed here

you're now being ignored

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Response to bigtree (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:59 PM

97. aw, ignoring is the easy way out

 

Let us convince you, Alex Jones is a fucking grifter as great as Sarah Failin!


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Response to alp227 (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:06 AM

65. Please feel free to choose your own reading material. Thank you for letting us know what you would

'prefer' the rest of us read, but we can assure you, we are all relatively intelligent adults here, most of whom have not received, nor would we accept orders from anyone regarding what WE choose to read since we under the care of our parents.

As I said to the other person who decided to use this thread to inform us of what s/he apparently views as more important than the topic of the OP, HIS/HER reading preferences, I'm sure this is of great interest to someone, somewhere, but this topic isn't about people's choices of reading material.

Frankly, being perfectly honest with you, I could not care less what ANY adult chooses to read or watch and I am constantly amazed that here, on a supposedly Liberal forum, we have so many who think they ought to be the arbiters of our reading material. Ban the books, that way our minds, feeble as they are, will not be contaminated. Do you understand how unacceptable your derailment of this thread is simply to try to influence, ban reading material YOU do not like?

This needs to be another topic, and perhaps it's time we had an open discussion about the constant nagging by a few here as to what the rest of us are reading. It is INSULTING to intelligent people to be constantly harassed this way. It's making DU look bad, in fact I know that people have left here because of it.

This comment hopefully will help kick this very important thread.

The Gov. of Missouri is a moron, as are is the Police Chief. They appear to be trying to paint a picture of African Americans as violent, angry and dangerous. Either that, or they actually believe that the people of Ferguson need to be told what to do. It is SHAMEFUl that this Gov is in cahoots with bad guys in all of this, being that he claims to be a Democrat.

We cannot let this happen.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #65)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:07 PM

87. Why are you defending Alex Jones?

I get concerned about adults influenced by crackpots and charlatans like Jones.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #87)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:21 PM

89. Why are you promoting the lying Corporate Media that collaborated with Cheney/Bush to lie

this country into war?

I get very concerned about adults who are influenced by paid propagandists like The Rendon Group and their
puppets in the Corporate Media.

Lol, you must think that DUers are new to that old, worn out, lame tactic you just resorted to.

I get a kick out of it though, and the thread that apparently is a target for derailment, gets another kick.

There is always a silver lining behind even the darkest cloud. I use comments such as yours whenever I see them to kick threads that imo are important.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #89)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:30 PM

90. So are conspiracy theorists more reliable than corporate media?

Just because the corporate media sucks doesn't make Jones credible.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:56 PM

92. That is a question that requires a far longer response

than should be given here as this thread is about something else.

So, if you start a thread asking that question, I think it would be a very interesting thread and I would certainly participate and respond to the question there.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:11 AM

51. agreed!!

I won't click on anything related to the nut Alex Jones!!

Plus MSNBC & Vice news are also covering the live scene...

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Response to tulsakatz (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:57 AM

76. The Corporate Media is covering the story now as if Ferguson was a war zone. That

is a lie, as we saw over the two previous nights. Apparently we are back to the collusion between the Corporate media and those who are responsble for what happened in Ferguson.

I would believe ANYONE over our Corporate Controlled Media.

But if you find them credible, that is your choice.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:08 AM

78. that one group they attacked was very vocal, chanting and one woman with a mic

. . .doing little more than loudly asserting what she was saying was her right to assemble - maybe she didn't have a legal right to be part of a group in the street, or out side her home during the curfew, but she and the others who were bombed by the police were not 'warring,' the police were - against this relatively sparse group of mostly peaceful demonstrators.

No effort appeared to be made to arrest more than a few of them and that sounds more like a police assault (however one might justify it) than two warring factions there.

Before the police violence, it appeared that most of the people who had been doing little more than milling around the area, had left the scene completely - all except a group which, from the distance of the images we could see on the live feed, looked to be no more than a couple folks deep and a street width wide.

here's another mnm account from @WSJ: One shot, seven arrested in Ferguson protests http://on.wsj.com/1AnxBFb


Johnson tried to justify the use of smoke bombs by asserting that the crowd wouldn't disperse . . . so the fuck what? that's no reason to gas and smoke bomb demonstrators. It's the exact thing he said he wouldn't be resorted to. he talks of responding to a disturbance which looks to be mostly unrelated to the group and the police who moved en masse toward the group didn't go any where, but right at these demonstrators who were gathered in the middle of a street, not at the building he described.

The gunshot at(?) a police vehicle he described doesn't appear to have been proven to have come from this group.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #78)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:19 AM

79. I'm watching the Gov right now avoiding questions and using weasel words to

justify the latest decision to portray the people there as violent. The very action of imposing a curfew was a calculated tactic to do that. Eg, he calls the decades long issue of police abuse of minorities 'challenges'. He defended the Prosecutor there when asked if he might not be the right person to handle this case. 'Well, this is his chance to step up'. He refers to the justifiable anger of the population there repeatedly as 'angst'.

I hope this guy is up for reelection soon, he needs to go.

I'm beginning to think this was a set up. After the bad press the military goons were getting finally, he finally appeared after five days of hiding. He appointed a GOOD COP to take over. The next night all was peaceful and the following night when some morons decided to loot (do we know who they were yet or who if anyone, organized them?) the community stepped up and took control of the situation themselves.

THAT gave those in power an excuse to 'demonstrate' how necessary it is to bring in the 'military' to control the people there.

I have lost complete faith in this country frankly. Softball questions for the Gov gave him an opportunity to get his points across. IF we had an actual media, it would have been pointed out that the people were themselves controlling the situation with just a few criminals who THEY went after themselves, however that didn't happen. So now the public who depend on the media are of the opinion again, that it is another minority community out of control.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #79)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:26 AM

81. the curfew was definitely the most threatening provocation

. . .the citizens we witnessed in the several live feeds were peaceful and thoughtful - some were visibly angry, but that's never been a justification for violence against an individual or group.

We all saw folks just milling around, most complied with the curfew order, at least in that section of town. The ones who didn't were standing in the middle of one part of a street. Couldn't have been a hundred of them - looked from the distance the press were made to stand and the camera feeds we were watching to be about half of that number.

wsj:

Police also spotted an armed man in the middle of West Florissant Avenue, but he wasn't apprehended, Capt. Johnson said. A police vehicle was targeted by gunfire, but it is unclear whether it was hit, he said.


That's some sketchy justification for gassing them - incredibly denying gassing them at first, then admitting it when offered evidence in the form of spent canisters.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:34 AM

5. Thanks for the

stream bigtree.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:40 AM

8. good deal, Sam

. . .thanks for looking in

I hope I have a feed here that you can bear watching.

I think our eyes and ears are our most valuable resource at this distance.

Thanks again.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:57 AM

12. it used to be called a "cloud of witnesses"

it's honorable.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:02 AM

13. you got it, grasswire

. . . I'm more optimistic than I was just 15 min ago, but we're going to see what happens in this one hot spot, at least.

Most of the vehicles that were circling are gone, no more horns can be heard. I don't think the police will just jump at midnight, but we'll see. I have faith in them, and care for them, as well.

Fellow on the feed reporting that there's only media and police out here at the moment. Hope so . . .

Thanks for looking in.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:55 AM

11. Looks like mostly just press and police now, at least in this target zone

. . .there has been a definite exodus in the last few minutes.

Just a few vocal citizens still on the scene . . . some driving by, one woman yelling, angry at the police presence

No organized protest or confrontation . . .really no indication there's going to even be one.

Rain is intensifying and the thunder just boomed in concert with the tension.

The lessened and mostly vacated crowd is a really hopeful sign at this moment . . .

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Response to bigtree (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:11 AM

15. Nothing happening, basically...

people look pretty bored, checking their phones. They probably better get home before their phones get wet.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:12 AM

16. ha!

maybe spoke too soon

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:28 AM

25. Spoke too soon! Police moving in now

not much happening anyway. Most people were probably heading home.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:11 AM

14. much restraint there

. . . curfew has passed, and nothing is happening. That's the outcome we all wished for, at least at this location, one of the hot spots of earlier incidents.

This is, so far, the best of outcomes and I'm sure there's more relief in that around than just in this home of mine.

peaceful solution, some praying . . .

Rain coming down like a holy waterfall.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:16 AM

17. here is another live feed I'm watching

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:16 AM

18. Better feed: Twitter from onsite HuffPo reporter

 

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Includes powerful videos of Captain Johnson talking with masked protester

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:19 AM

19. some chanting in the distance from the camera feeds

on this feed: http://revolution-news.com/live-video-fergusons-justice-mike-brown-protests/

a line of vocal people facing off against some officers

Quite a large group of demonstrators . . .

Police are moving around the buildings to, presumably to flank them . . .

very vocal crowd, still not really in complete view of the feed.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:20 AM

20. Cars have moved into position to form barricade...

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Looks like a bus in the background--for carting away soon to be arrested protesters?

Now Police are moving in opposite direction from protesters...

The police regrouped and it looks like they are going to act any minute against the protesters...

Swat vehicles now on the move...

Police now giving orders to protesters to move immediately...

The crowd is not dispersing and some have started to put their hands up...

Protesters on their knees with hands up...Police donning gas masks...neither side giving in

Keep safe everyone....Here they come with the gas

Multiple police cars with sirens blaring drove quickly up to the crowd line...

Can't see what's happening due to smoke bombs being lobbed by swat...

Police currently allowing protesters to disperse without arresting them...

No protesters in sight once smoke cleared...

Piercing sonic sound went off...protesters hiding behind building appeared...

1:16 in the morning and it's pretty quiet on Florissant...

1:20 - raining heavily again...

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:21 AM

21. some protesters trying to block a street with vehicles

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:25 AM

24. damn, I see that now

chanting, no justice no peace . . .

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:21 AM

22. A few feeds listed here

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:22 AM

23. cops moving in to confront crowd blocking the street

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Response to rollin74 (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:33 AM

27. I see that

crowd is mostly still holding in place, shifted a little

Police are definitely moving toward them. Radio says they're sending them around the building, flanking the crowd.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:31 AM

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, bigtree.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:36 AM

28. ...

fuck

all the positive thoughts we can manage right now . . .

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:37 AM

29. peace-keepers trying to keep protesters from advancing towards police

police are said to be "gearing up"

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:40 AM

30. shit's going down

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:41 AM

31. Military crap is back! nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:47 AM

35. looks like a fucking war zone

police in all sorts of armor and gear

warnings being broadcast in repetition as they move in steadily

As many police as I've ever seen

Gas masks ordered . . .

gas, gas, gas . . . came the call from the police side just now

What happened to the press conference promise that they wouldn't be used??

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:47 AM

33. Officers have gas masks on. nt

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:47 AM

34. St. Louis radio stations KTRS and KMOX have live coverage.

KMOX, the 50 kW blowtorch on AM 1120 (I think you can hear that station at night as far away as the Great Lakes and Gulf Coast)

http://player.radio.com/listen/station/newsradio-1120-kmox

KTRS 550, whose 5 kW signal should blanket all of Missouri and maybe neighboring states at night:

http://www.ktrs.com/ktrs-streaming/

Both stations are also available via the Tunein app.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:49 AM

36. Hah, they gassed them against the wind.

These guys really didn't get any training

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:50 AM

37. tear gas being fired at protest crowd

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:50 AM

38. Let's be very clear here - this is a direct result of the curfew order, not the people's fault

. . .the curfew order and the lack of police restraint is to blame\

tear gas fired into the crowd . . . you can hear it firing like mortars

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Response to bigtree (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:51 AM

40. If they had mortars, they'd probably be using them. n/t

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Response to bigtree (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:52 AM

42. Yep, nothing but peaceful tonight until police started in. nt

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:50 AM

39. fire burning at a store

result of Molotov cocktail

protesters have helped put fire out

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:52 AM

41. steady gas canisters firing at crowd - police advancing

still firing - sounds like a war zone

yelling into a mike from crowd - no justice no curfew!

smoke drifting back into press

Gunfire now - definite gunfire more than a few shots

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Response to bigtree (Reply #41)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:56 AM

43. repeated gunfire now

. . . not clear where it's coming from

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:59 AM

44. Tim Pool cowering on ground says he heard several gunshots come from the protest crowd

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:59 AM

45. Another live feed, via St. Louis Fox station KTVI

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:00 AM

46. Doesn't appear to be any arrests yet

and the crowd has left.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:00 AM

47. yelling at press to get back into the zone they set up to corral them in

. . . peaceful demonstrators fired on

some reported being allowed to disperse without arrest . . .

1:00 am

quieting now . . .

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:03 AM

49. SWAT vehicle pulled up and dispersed most of remaining crowd

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:09 AM

50. sound/sonic cannons in effect, intermittently blasting deafening sound

. . . in the direction of fleeing demonstrators who appear to have scattered behind nearby buildings to the right.

more smoke fired w/ crowd of officers following in that direction

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Response to bigtree (Reply #50)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:11 AM

52. CNN live reporting says same--cops may have used LRAD acoustic weapon. nt

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Response to bigtree (Reply #50)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:16 AM

53. still hearing canisters fired

. . . no sign of demonstrators from press area

They should NEVER have let the regular police back in.
WTF happened? Last night was much better than this, even with the looting

That was just PROPERTY damaged

THESE are peaceful CITIZENS

PEOPLE being fired on

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Response to bigtree (Reply #53)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:24 AM

56. Total fokkin' bullshit that the pigs are doing this. WTF? So much for trying to calm things down.

Tear gas illegal under the Geneva Conventions
And the sound cannons can cause hearing loss. What. the. Fuck.

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Response to kath (Reply #56)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:25 AM

57. Police told CNN they used smoke cannisters to disperse crowd, not tear gas

Cops say social medial reports about using tear gas are incorrect.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:30 AM

60. thanks for the info, pinboy3niner

. . . I'm not a CNN watcher and very much appreciate that info.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:13 AM

68. CNN now reports police initially used smoke then later used tear gas

That information is from KMOV-TV, St. Louis.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #53)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:29 AM

59. Agree that they should never have let the regular police back in.

All those fuckers should have totally been removed from the situation. what a clusterfuck.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:19 AM

54. One person in cuffs placed into police van; smoke rising in distance

The smoke appears to be a distance away, in the area of the burned out QT gas station.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:22 AM

55. quiet now, except for the rain

. . .rain coming down like a holy waterfall

two very large explosions just now

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:29 AM

58. Per reporters on Live Stream, 2 people arrested. nt

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:31 AM

61. Where's Captain Johnson at?

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:32 AM

62. thank you for bearing witness, Bigtree.

Kick.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:51 AM

64. I'm going to end my participation in this thread now

. . . clearly we have several reports and accounts ongoing or ending, as well.

There will be detailed accounts emerging in the morning and I hope to find some here for DUers to take their own account of.

I did note the complaints about a certain live feed and I mostly sympathize with anyone who couldn't bear them - although, I really couldn't bear the interruption to debate those and I certainly didn't see the need to remove those links. Perhaps we can debate that at a later date. I will take those individuals off of ignore later and I hope we can have a dialogue together about them.

This evening started out with great tension on my part - became momentarily hopeful, as my posts show - and then devolved into tragedy, as far as I'm concerned.

I feel that ALL of the violence I was witness to in these live feeds was a DIRECT result of the actions and decisions of the people who decided to invoke the curfew, as well as those tasked with enforcing it.

The protestors appeared mostly peaceful, and I think accounts will bear that out. There was some firebombing reported from the area of the demonstrating crowd which, apparently started a fire with whatever it came in contact with. It was, in the character of earlier protests, reported to have been immediately extinguished by demonstrators themselves who, no doubt care deeply about their town.

I have great love for all of the humanity involved in this orchestrated crisis tonight. As I turn from this thread, I'll be looking to find another view of the outcome and will be projecting every ounce of goodwill, wishes, and hope for the safety of ALL involved; demonstrators, citizens of Ferguson, and the police, as well.

I want to thank the thoughtful and caring folks who joined me on this thread. I think your concern and participation in witnessing events in Ferguson tonight and speaking out here at DU represents the very best I have ever seen on this board in the years since I came here in 2003.

I can't thank you enough for sharing these hurtful and anguishing moments with me. Best of luck to us all, and the very best regards.

Ron.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:12 AM

66. Well said bigtree.

And a good summary! Thank you.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:41 AM

75. I'm late bigtree in thanking you for the links you gave us...

it was so very helpful... especially as one of the non professional reporters was told by a policeman, that smoke, not tear gas, was being used.

(While other professional media outlets were reporting tear gas)

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:13 AM

67. Love this graphic...

 

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:20 AM

69. Thanks for the informative thread bigtree.

And for all the livestream links.


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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:17 AM

70. Thank you, bigtree.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:31 AM

71. Cpt. Johnson gave details at press conference between 3:30 and 4am Eastern:

The initial police movement, use of tactical unit, and use of tear gas were not to enforce the curfew but were in response to an operational mission due to reports of an emergency at Red's BBQ Restaurant near the Quick-E Mart.

Intruders were reported inside the restaurant and on the roof, and there also was a gunshot victim in the vicinity. Police used smoke and tear gas to move the crowd back in an effort to get through the crowd to respond to the restaurant and the gunshot victim.

A man was seen in the street with a handgun, but he fled before he could be apprehended. A police car was also shot at, and it retreated.

Before police could reach the gunshot victim, the victim was transported to the hospital in critical condition by private car.

Police made a total of 7 arrests for failure to disperse.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:52 AM

72. Thanks! (nt)

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:58 AM

73. "stubborn," "defiant," "defiantly," "indication they are armed...."?

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #73)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:32 AM

82. armed is a consequence of their law that allows open-carry

. . .not viewed by their law as provocation under most other circumstances - at least not viewed by their law as threatening, in and of itself.

"Stubborn" and "defiant" shouldn't be cause to gas such a sparse and obviously demonstrating group doing little more than standing in the street.

Apparently, jaywalking is akin to a capital offense in that town, actionable against with severe force by police.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #73)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:09 AM

84. Racial code words....

synonyms for "uppity" and open carry is only for White people.

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:42 AM

86. kick for viz

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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:19 PM

88. Sometimes a source that has someone writing that has a Neanderthal mentality on some things

is correct on others. It's ridiculous that people who don't like some source don't just use ignore or keep at it to get those sites banned from the site. And it always the same people who serve on MIRT or host often. I bet the alerts are still being sent in on the source even if the referenced story is true. I base that on my experience as a host.

What saddens me is the driving powerful need that they have to keep this site "pure" not everyone has the time or the inclination to go to a site and find everything on it that they don't like or anything that they consider to be crazy.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #88)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:35 PM

91. I'll stand by what I wrote and included in the op

. . .that said, I found the coverage to be free of bias and basically nothing more or less than a view into that section of town with two young men describing what we could all see for ourselves through their lens.

I think that most of what we saw and heard has been backed up by many independent accounts -- much has been distorted and unconfirmed in many major news accounts of what the press was not allowed (ordered into a 'zone' and threatened with arrest if they went outside of it) to get close enough to see.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #91)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:00 PM

93. I watched it and I found it to be free of bias, more so than the MSM.

I see no harm in looking at different sources.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:04 PM

94. I think what's being objected to are links to the sites themselves

. . .which contain much promotion of a group of individuals who have allegedly engaged in objectionable practices or statements.

I find that a credible concern for a board which tries to keep our sourcing above a level of conservative or bigoted promotion.

Looking? No harm, I suppose . . . Posting links to their sites? Not something I want to participate in, knowingly.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #94)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:37 PM

95. There are individuals on those site that are nut job wacko writers

but on this I want every scrap of information and videos I can find to look at. I don't trust our media on this as far as I can throw it, I well remember the media during Katrina showing pic and video of Black people "looting" and white people "gathering supplies" I would never post a link to them knowingly either but some people really don't know. I'm not too keen on any type of censorship. Most people can process the crazy from the logical.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:47 PM

96. if you ever feel that I can provide something for you that I don't seem willing to post here, Autumn

. . . please, please shoot me a personal email. I will be more than willing to provide that, if I'm able.

I want everyone to be as informed as possible, as well. Thanks for making such good points and I'm extremely grateful to you for your passion and commitment to these issues we discuss here. -Ron


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Response to bigtree (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:30 PM

99. .

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