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Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:17 PM

Heads up! More Right Wing spin going around on Michael Brown shooting........

Last edited Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:29 PM - Edit history (5)

Heads up! More Right Wing spin going around on Michael Brown shooting

It would appear that Darren Wilson has a great number of friends who are willing to share the real details of the shooting up close and personal with any Right Wing outlet that will listen to them. Any and all! (If I hear or read this one more time today..........)

As presented on Conservatives Forum

A source close to the investigation has revealed the following details.

Darren is a good man and he shot and killed Michael in self defense. After he told the young adults to get out of the street, they refused and there was a heated verbal exchange, Darren rolled ahead and pulled over and watched the two. He noticed they fit the description of two people involved in a strong armed robbery nearby that had just been called in and also looked like they may have had the stolen merchandise on them. He reversed his vehicle back to where they where to question them. When he tried to get out of his car, Michael slammed the car door back closed with his body. Upon attempting to exit his vehicle, Darren was bum rushed by Michael Brown, shoved back into the front seat of his car, punched in his face a few times and then had to fight Michael over possession of his gun. The gun was literally turned against Darren's body for a moment. During the struggle, his gun went off and then the 280 pound, 6'3" "child" took off with his friend. When the officer got out of his car and drew his gun and yelled freeze you're under arrest, Michael turned, taunting him, yelling from about 35 feet away, "what, you gonna shoot me?" and then abruptly charged the officer again. The officer unloaded on the huge YOUNG adult as he continued storming towards him until finally, he was able to stop him by shooting him in the head right when he was almost to him and his weapon. Imagine the adrenaline pumping after almost being shot in his police car and then this same large guy is sprinting at you. He thought that Michael must have been on something the way he just kept coming despite being shot many times. Hopefully, toxicology will confirm this suspicion. These are the facts-but if nothing else I beg that you at least consider these as the other side of the story. I've heard several witnesses that must keep quiet in case they are needed in court have confirmed this story and had the SAME version of events. All other "witnesses" stories have all been inconsistent with one another, some claiming he was down on his knees, others that he was running away. The truth above is the only consistent story there has been because of course, there can be only one version of the truth. I believe in my heart for it to be factually true because I know someone very well who was there. Please spread the truth. I am begging you to at least put this out as a possibility since we have ONLY heard the other's side. It explains all of the questions and it's what I was told on Sunday morning, before everyone was silenced. Please pray for Darren who was only doing his job and trying to stay alive. Or at least, please consider this as a possibility...even just a theory. I'm telling you, eventually it will all come out. This is the truth. Spread it!"



http://www.conservativesforum.com/cgi-bin/conservatives-forum/YaBB.pl?num=1408284372

As presented by Josie On The Dana Show 8-15-14 (Whatever the heck that is.)

&feature=player_embedded#t=318
Typical RW echo chamber bullshit. Do note that although from many sources (only two pointed out here) the wording is almost exactly the same.

If I have violated any rules by mentioning another forum apologies but so be it. I am sick and tired of RW echo chamber spin. I am compleatley sick and tired that parts of this tragedy are following the exact same George Zimmerman spin.

Also sorry for the anger. I am just beginning to realize that the red tint my monitor is showing isn't it, it's me.

--------On Edit --------- 18:50 MDT

Yes folk, yet another friend of Officer Wilson has been heard from.
http://discussionist.com/101445425
Slightly different wording from another "close friend".
Just watch for the key words......
bum-rushes
Punches him in the face

Just tracking the fairy tale. Somehow I think Officer Wilson is gonna look about as bad as Zimmerman did after he heals up some.
--------On Edit --------- 08/18/2014

CNN finds another friend or Josie finds CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html

Spread the word and the word is bum rushed

--------On Edit --------- 08/19/2014 To add the leaked injuries

Well, you knew some source(s) wishing to remain unnamed would leak this to...........

some RW blog(s) at the right time. We knew he was "bum-rushes" and "Punches him in the face" from a friend(s) and/or source(s) wishing to remain unnamed disclosure in another RW blog(s).

Good to know the police report bares this out.
Oh wait, what police report?

If the truth is ever stated in the police report, if there ever is a police report, it will be all but irreverent.
The truth that was sold (and gratefully bought) will already be urban legend.
Simply another example of how RW alternate reality is put together.

Expect pictures when the timing is right..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=874602

--------On Edit --------- 08/19/2014 For tracking

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:07 AM
bluesbassman (16,069 posts)
78. Locking. The Gateway Pundit is a RW blog and is at best a questionable source.
Not suitable for Latest Breaking News.

The Gateway Pundit is a RW propaganda source that Tokyo Rose would have given her eye teeth for during WW2. Just keeping tract of how the RW wing builds their narratives.

The orignal DU OP.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014874487

The RW BS
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack
The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

--------On Edit --------- 09/02/2014 At long last we have pictures.

Without regard that the report of “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” given by the Gateway Pundit was proven a complete falsehood as of 09/03/3024 the RW spin machine has finaly provide pictures. Totally fake but that will not matter.

bl968 exposes the lie.

bl968 (236 posts)

Rightwing attempting to astroturf Mike Brown Killing
I saw this post on facebook with the following comment shared by someone I know.

"This is Ferguson police officer BEFORE he shot Mike Brown. Please pass this around over and over. Think Sharpton and MSNBC will show this? That means TPC will have to start passing folks"

The comment was linked to a version of this picture.
Snip.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5477002

--------On Edit --------- 09/02/2014 Just Who Is Jim McNeil added 09/06/2014

Jim McNeil crashed last week while riding at his friend's house and broke bones in his forehead, cheek, nose, jaw and eye socket. Yeah, he's gnarly! Get well soon bro. We'll let Jim tell ya what happened...

http://etnies.com/blog/2006/10/10/jim-mcneil-face-plants-ouch/

Jim McNeil, alias "Jumpin' Jimmy", is one of the best all-round FMX riders in the industry. With over nine years of experience as a professional rider, the Arizona native has traveled all over the world and is quick to adapt to new set ups and surroundings, meaning he has the ability to throw down tricks in new locations and in front of huge crowds just as if he was chilling back home in his yard where he learned to ride at the tender age of six.

http://www.grindtv.com/athlete/jim-mcneil/

From Huffington post, Posted: 11/06/2011 6:29 pm EST
Jim McNeil Dead: FMX Rider Dies After Accident During Practice At Texas Motor Speedway
Tragedy struck the world of motor sports again on Sunday as freestyle motocross rider Jim McNeil died from injuries suffered during a crash before the AAA Texas 500 at Texas Motor Speedway in Fort Worth.

The 32-year-old FMX rider was set to participate in an exhibition before the NASCAR event at Texas Motor Speedway. After the crash on The Midway area of the site, McNeil was taken to a nearby hospital and soon pronounced dead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/06/jim-mcneil-dead-fmx-rider-dies-accident-practice-texas-500_n_1078852.html

--------On Edit --------- 09/06/2014 New witness and CNN Audio

Star Member kpete (43,639 posts)

2 "Outsider Witnesses" provide new perspective on Michael Brown shooting
Last edited Sat Sep 6, 2014, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)

This is just a couple of snippets:

...there were two outsiders who happened to be working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9 — two men from a company in Jefferson County — who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work and witnessed the shooting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025497461#post9












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Reply Heads up! More Right Wing spin going around on Michael Brown shooting........ (Original post)
wandy Aug 2014 OP
Anansi1171 Aug 2014 #1
yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #37
aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #2
wandy Aug 2014 #8
Tikki Aug 2014 #3
wandy Aug 2014 #4
Rex Aug 2014 #5
JaneyVee Aug 2014 #6
pintobean Aug 2014 #7
wandy Aug 2014 #9
pintobean Aug 2014 #27
wandy Aug 2014 #29
cwydro Aug 2014 #32
wandy Aug 2014 #38
Jim__ Aug 2014 #10
wandy Aug 2014 #11
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #17
HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #28
SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #12
csziggy Aug 2014 #13
wandy Aug 2014 #15
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #18
d_r Aug 2014 #39
Takket Aug 2014 #14
wandy Aug 2014 #19
Takket Aug 2014 #40
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #16
wandy Aug 2014 #21
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22
wandy Aug 2014 #25
damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #20
wandy Aug 2014 #23
Bobbie47 Aug 2014 #24
Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #26
malaise Aug 2014 #30
wandy Aug 2014 #33
ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #36
Inkfreak Aug 2014 #31
Hoyt Aug 2014 #34
stranger81 Aug 2014 #35
wandy Aug 2014 #41

Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:26 PM

1. I hope the Feds Autopsy will expose if the locals tampered with toxicological evidence. -nt

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Response to Anansi1171 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:00 PM

37. I hope none of this is true

 

Fighting the gun in the car? First I heard of this.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:26 PM

2. Most people would lie, cheat, and steal to get out of a murder rap

and then a lot of suspects reimagine what happened without realizing it. What matters is at trial, where character witnesses, whether favorable or unfavorable probably won't be heard from and where evidence can get challenged and expert witnesses cross-examined.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:48 PM

8. In this case I think we have an entire city's government willing to..........

lie, cheat, and steal to get out of a murder rap.

It's an old model and worked well for Sanford Florida.
So much of the BS is the same.

Do note this is the first mention that Darren was "punched in his face a few times ".
Expect pictures long after any honest assessment of the injuries can be made.

How long was it before we saw the bruised and bloodied Zimmerman?

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:27 PM

3. From a Conservative Forum..." I know someone very well who was there."....I DOUBT IT...

They can't handle the truth...



Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:37 PM

4. Haaa. But they all know a someone(s) very well who has the same.......

reliable source(s) that tell exactly the same story.

The conservative overloads must think none of us ever played the "Telephone Game" in school.
Hell, sometimes it's hard to get the honest truth, even if a technical spec, told the same way in more than one place.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:40 PM

5. Gopukers are the scum of the earth, why anyone pays attention to them is a mystery to me.

 

They will lie, cheat and steal...then turn right around and act self-rightous if a homeless child asks for food. I repeat, they are the SCUM OF THE EARTH.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:41 PM

6. Bullshit.

 

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:45 PM

7. Why did you omit the video you posted yesterday? /nt

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:52 PM

9. I didn't omit video, I omitted rumor. I appended to excplain...............

If I was unclear let me know. Use DU mail if need be.

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Response to wandy (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:34 PM

27. This video

 



You posted it here:
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5397796

And I replied:
There is an eye witness account in the background conversation. It starts at about the 6:05 mark and lasts for over a minute.


You replied that you suspect that it was doctored, and that you have experience in this, but you didn't follow up.

That background conversation seems to support the story on the rw sources.

I'm wondering why you didn't include that information in your op.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:53 PM

29. I haven't dug in to the audio to say for sure one thing or another.........

Their is an "anomaly" at around the 5 minute mark.
It could be anything, I repeat anything, however my gut feel was "woops messed up".

I did not originally mention the background conversation because I did not want to further confuse an already confused situation.

As to the "anomaly"...........

Darn it Pintobean, why do I think I'll be going on audio walkabout for a few hours.


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Response to pintobean (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:26 PM

32. That second cop that runs up at about the 3:20 mark, when the civilian approaches the body?

He looks very much like Wilson, the shooter...the way he kind of has a hunched over look like in his pic.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:45 PM

38. Darn it Pintobean. Sometimes a click is just a click...............

Tanj odd click but just a click. Times relative only to my environment.
We see an odd sort of audio dropout from 4:52: 90 to 4:54: 00. Odd in that it is not "silence" but has other "clicks" in the void. During this time the normal background noise was not present.
I am not a cellphone owner so I have no idea if the person recording could have come out of record and back into record in that short of time.
The overall background noise sounded and "looked" the same on each side of the void.
I could make out
"He ran."
"He ran this way"
This was a voice off screen so I have no way to tell which way this way was.

This is pure assumption on my part. He was close enough to the person holding the camera to be heard clearly and that person appeared to be down stream from the police car. Again pure assumption on my part that would be "he ran" away from the police care.

That is not even a guess. I just don't have a wide enough field of vision to have a reference.

Just a click, odd click but they all are when you "look" at 'em. Even at low quality MP3 if there were something added it should have jumped out and bit me.

I will add that even if I thought I saw something I would not have brought it back here until I had consulted with people having more experience (and better equipment) than I have. One of the reasons I did not want to get into this aspect of the video.

Pleasant walkabout none the less.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:53 PM

10. If that's true, the original police report would confirm it, and the police would have released it.

The current police report may confirm it; but I doubt anyone is going to accept an exonerating report that they held back for a week.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:58 PM

11. A lie travels around the world before the truth can.................

I think it's part of the way the game is played.
Withhold the truth. Start a narrative(s) you would want to be accepted.
When you find a story that works, run with it. (Benghazi anyone?)

After some story is accepted the truth is meaningless.

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Response to Jim__ (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:11 PM

17. One of the facts in evidence is there was never a police report from Darren Wilson.

 

The robbery report references two police reports, neither of which were written by Wilson.

There is no police report. There never has been a police report.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:44 PM

28. That is true.

 

Wouldn't it be standard procedure for an officer involved in an event, especially a shooting, to immediately file a report while memory still fresh? I would think so. Instead, he left town in a hurry, filing no report. In the meantime, the chief and cop's "friends" are flinging various stories out there, to see what sticks. All very suspicious.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:59 PM

12. ¨Facts¨ or theory? You decide.




Jeebus, what the hell was that crap?

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:00 PM

13. Funny how this story that took a week to concoct does NOT match

ANY of the eyewitness accounts that have been out there from Day One! And all those eyewitnesses that came forward quickly have almost identical accounts. How odd.

If I were on a jury, I wouldn't believe the cop's buddy's version after hearing the several eyewitnesses that refute it completely.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:07 PM

15. The 'cops buddy' is probably someone working in the same capacity as...........

Frank Luntz.
A spinner of tails they want believed.
And the fools will, because they want to.

This "true" account has already spread over much of the RW fantasy echo chamber.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:12 PM

18. Doesn't match any of the known physical facts, either.

 

All of the physical evidence we currently know about directly contradict this bullshit claim.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:06 PM

39. eh, I don't know

I mean if somebody posted it on the internet and said his friend the cop said it, that's good enough for me.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:02 PM

14. so...

how exactly did Brown manage to get the cop's gun out of its holster? or was the gun already out of its holster when the cop backed up to confront them a second time... and if so, why?

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Response to Takket (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:13 PM

19. Hay. Takket. I didn't write that fairy tail...........

Now if we can just flush out the RW bugger that made this up maybe we can get them to explain that impossibility.

For now I'll just settle for calling Bullshit, Bullshit.

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Response to wandy (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:16 PM

40. i'm good with that ;)

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:10 PM

16. All of the facts we currently know contradict this account.

 

Dorian Johnson and four other eyewitnesses directly contradict this account.

I have a thread up about the facts. The physical evidence currently known that is not in dispute directly contradicts this account.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:18 PM

21. This is one of the stories the RW is trying to put out there to distort the facts...........

It is posted to show it as such.
Beware, their lying again.

Please post a link to current known facts in this thread for reference.

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Response to wandy (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:20 PM

22. There are five facts not in dispute.

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:28 PM

25. Thank You.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:15 PM

20. What garbage

How in the hell is he going to charge anyone with his hands in the air? Storming towards the officer my ass.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:21 PM

23. Remember, it doesn't have to make sense. It need only be something........

the Right Wing haters will believe.
Because they want to believe.

Same formula as Zimmerman.
Same formula as Benghazi.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:26 PM

24. This story has been

Going around for a week. I live in Il. across the river from N. County.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:29 PM

26. Any cop involved in a shooting isn't talking to anybody but their lawyer and those the are legally

 

required to.

Most agency contracts require they cooperate with the official investigation. But anyone on the job knows you don't talk to ANYONE else because of possible civil claims and other legal issues.

For that reason alone regardless of how this went down I doubt any claims of anyone who says they have talked to the officer.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:57 PM

30. Why is this crap reposted on DU? n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:37 PM

33. You may know it's crap. I may know it's crap. Will the RW haters think it's crap..........

OK I wanted to expose it. That is the short story.
How does the RW echo chamber work? Better still, how do you defend against it? How do you counter it?
As of this morning this crap was getting good traction over in looney land.
Why?

After only a week this entire thing has been spun from here to Sunday.
Why is this fairy tail succeeding when other spin fell flat on it's face.

The Fast and Furious story (crap) is still around but generally forgotten.
The saga of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl (more crap) took off like a shot then fizzled out rather quickly.
The heartbreak of Benghazi (huge pile of crap) remains one of the Right Wings Greatest hits.

WHY?

If nothing else I'll rely on the old chestnut.
Know your enemy.

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Response to malaise (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 06:00 PM

36. It informs those of us that do not go to RW sites

what BS they are spreading. I suspect if he was shot point blank in the head, it would be clear in the autopsy. That would prove the story does not match witness accounts and is crap.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:13 PM

31. So we're to believe Brown decided to assault a cop over a box of Swishers?

That's the crazy thing. Well, one of the many crazy things about this whole deal. A stolen box will get ya slap on the wrist. So why in the hell would he attack and try to take the cops gun? From petty theft to felony in a matter of hours? These people are unreal.

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Response to Inkfreak (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:37 PM

34. I doubt much of that too. However, why would Brown steal cigars and push

the small clerk around? That still doesn't justify multiple shots, etc., but it could show Brown was acting strangely that day and might have pushed the policeman trying to get away. Again, that is not justification for what eyewitnesses say happened afterwards.

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Response to wandy (Original post)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:58 PM

35. So many dog whistles here.

Throughout this screed, the author refers to the victim -- a teenager -- as a "huge," "large" "young adult," a "280 pound, 6'3" 'child'." What's a white cop to do when he sees a scary black teenager? No option but to shoot to kill, I guess.

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Response to stranger81 (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:21 PM

41. It sure is hater friendly I'll say that much. It keeps getting retold.........

by a close friend only with slightly different wording.
Darn I'd love to get hold of original copy.
You know the "put this on your blog in your own words" copy.

A way to spread propaganda Tokyo Rose could only dream of.

Tired of this working so well for the RW.
Will be appending with new variants and keywords in original OP.

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