Lots of tear gassing happening now in Ferguson. nt

[Live and Learn]

[Live and Learn]

1. Here is a link:

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

[WillowTree]

26. Would've been nice to warn about the noise. Scared the hell out of my cat. Me, too.

But I care more about her.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

29. It's live video from a riot.....

It's going to be loud.

[WillowTree]

64. NOW you tell me! LOL!!!

[Rhiannon12866]

70. CNN has live coverage, interrupted Fareed Zakaria. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

2. Looks like they are re-militarized

...two hours before curfew. Same shit, different day.

[pinboy3niner]

3. Comments mention a shooting at a McDonalds. nt

[Live and Learn]

4. Nobody seems to know what happened. nt

[AgingAmerican]

6. Cops not allowing people to go home

The world is watching motherfuckers!!

[AgingAmerican]

10. Now the teargas and rubber bullets are flying

Chanting "Hands up don't shoot!"

Crowd is mix of African Americans and Caucasian supporters.

Cops using noise weapons now. Definately remilitarized.

[freshwest]

67. Can't get it to come through. Thanks for details.

[etherealtruth]

21. WTF?

[Live and Learn]

8. Ugh, this is bad. nt

[Cal Carpenter]

9. Hands up don't shoot!

[AgingAmerican]

13. It's on now

Getting very ugly

[Cal Carpenter]

11. Are they using those sonic weapons?

That can't be just sirens I'm hearing.

[pinboy3niner]

12. Cops using LRAD acoustic weapon. nt

[AgingAmerican]

19. Yeah and the cops have machine guns

...and sniper rifles AGAIN.

[kath]

63. So much for Johnson de-escalating and demilitarizing things...

Sigh

[jaysunb]

55. Long Range Accustic Device

Designed to scare the shit out of, the unsuspecting.....


The LRAD 500X-RE, the model that appears to have been present at the Ferguson demonstration, “achieves maximum sound projection and penetration beyond 2,000 meters” and can reach 149 decibels. The 500X-RE gives law enforcement “the ability to issue clear, authoritative verbal commands, followed with powerful deterrent tones.” And according to a report by the Economist in 2004, those deterrent tones cause immediate headaches and pain. Since LRADs can blast above a person’s 120-decibel discomfort mark, and their 130-decibel threshold for potential hearing loss, there’s no telling what the consequences of encountering a LRAD may be for protesters. One woman sued the city of Pittsburgh for permanent damage caused by an LRAD. And the Missouri Department of Transportation purchased two LRADs in April, though it's unclear if they are the same ones used in Ferguson.

LRADs may look like dopey satellite dishes, but the SWAT teams in Ferguson on Wednesday definitely brought out the big guns when they turned on the deterrent tones. Not to mention their actual guns.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/08/14/lrad_long_range_acoustic_device_sound_cannons_were_used_for_crowd_control.html

[edgineered]

14. rec nt

[steve2470]

15. lrad going off nt

[csziggy]

16. Why are they shooting the tear gas into the wind?

It's not real effective that way!

[pinboy3niner]

20. And protesters are throwing them back! nt

[csziggy]

30. Some of those guys have really good arms!

They're getting nearly as much distance as the tear gas guns!

[Live and Learn]

17. There are lots of people down the street

the way cops are headed. It was tough for the reporters to get through to get here.

[conservaphobe]

18. Fuck. nt

[AgingAmerican]

22. It just came on CNN

live

[heather blossom]

23. MSNBC

Is televising. Not clear what started this.

[pinboy3niner]

24. Live coverage on CNN and MSNBC. nt

[chrisa]

25. RIP Headphone users

[pinboy3niner]

28. Tell me about it, lol! nt

[Joe Shlabotnik]

49. +1

ouch.

[AngryAmish]

27. that is loud and super annoying

[pinboy3niner]

31. You're just hearing things again

[lunasun]

32. Oh it is a force to disperse why are they using it ? Any info on how this started?

Not that they need.a real reason of course

[pinboy3niner]

37. Unconfirmed reports of gunshots preceded this

Reports of shots fired at a McDonalds or in the crowd. No confirmation or details yet.

[Depaysement]

33. Occupied Ferguson nt

[pintobean]

34. Channel 5 in St. Louis reports molotov cocktails

have been thrown.

[wandy]

51. Please, do not ask me to or inspire me to analise this audio..........

[HooptieWagon]

35. Is this St Louis Co PD?

Weren't they ordered away by Gov Nixon? Are they defying the order? WTF?

[pintobean]

36. Capt Johnson is in charge.

All officers answer to him. He's giving the orders.

[HooptieWagon]

38. Why is he ordering teargas 2 hrs before curfew?

Or ordering teargas at all? Not only has it fired up the crowd, but hes going to lose whatever respect and cooperation the community was giving him.

[pintobean]

41. I have no idea.

Maybe our idiot governor is getting heavy handed.

[kath]

60. I call bullshit -doubt he is really in charge. Did HE order five tanks and teargas to be deployed

Last night? And why is St. louis County PD still all over the place, last night and apparently today too????

[pintobean]

62. Call whatever you want. You obviously

don't know what's going on. There are 200-300 cops from departments all over the metropolitan area in Ferguson every night. The make up of the force didn't change when command was transferred from County to State.

[steve2470]

39. shots fired at police and media nt

[840high]

61. That's not good.

[heather blossom]

40. Capt Johnson

Capt Johnson has not been seen per MSNBC

[HooptieWagon]

42. Who's giving the orders?

Is there an explanation why Capt Johnson isn't there?

[pintobean]

44. He's there.

Local reports have him there.

[TDale313]

43. K&R

[pinboy3niner]

45. Chris Hayes now on-scene reporting on MSNBC. nt

[Live and Learn]

46. Argus radio member had a cop point a gun in his face

and threaten to shoot him. nt

[damnedifIknow]

48. I saw that

What in the hell????

[edgineered]

50. Saw and heard that!

Will he be charged with anything? (of course not)

[Live and Learn]

56. Tim Pool from Timcast is taking the back roads to try and get in the midst.

http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

[edgineered]

58. he needs to lose his detractor thou.. nt

[Live and Learn]

59. He did a good job last night while everyone else

was stuck in the news kettle.

[rollin74]

47. gunshots reported again

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/45219/events/3295551

[Greywing]

52. I just can't effing believe I'm watching America ... home of the free

This police department needs to be held accountable. Cops threatening media ...

[pinboy3niner]

54. Cop to Chris Hayes and media:

"Do not pass us. You're getting maced the next time you pass us!"

Cops pissed off. Media perimeter being pushed back by police.

[kath]

66. As the founders roll in their graves. So much for a free press.

land of the free and home of the brave, my ass.

[Live and Learn]

57. More shots fired. This is a mess. nt

[Live and Learn]

65. Police surrounded the gas station. Are they protecting it? nt

[Joe Shlabotnik]

76. Wonder if the gas station will become a flash point

Crowd has been steadily growing.

[Goblor]

68. tear gassing is

really fear gassing ...

[SoapBox]

69. What a mess.....

[Live and Learn]

71. Small groups of people spread out still chanting.

Media finally being allowed to move.

[kath]

72. Illegal for troops to use tear gas, per Geneva Convention. But okey-dokey for US cops to use against

Citizens.
Lovely.

[valerief]

73. Patriot Fuckin' Act. nt

[Live and Learn]

74. Maybe we are worse than other enemies in their eyes.

And we pay for this treatment.

[kath]

75. Your tax dollars at work, baby! WooHoo!!

[bigtree]

77. thanks for the thread, live and Learn

good posts

[Live and Learn]

79. Thanks for yours, bigtree. I have been reading them all. nt

[Live and Learn]

81. Incidents still happening, gun shots in different areas. nt

[PFunk]

78. How long will it be before federal forces arrive to handel this?

'cause it looks like the locals not only cant but are making it worse.

[jwirr]

80. And if federal forces come riding in with their armored equipment and no answers for the people

will it be any different? This is totally out of hand and I don't think anyone is interested in stopping. I have not been able to see things on live feed clearly enough to know for sure what the cops are doing but if more people are showing up it is not good.

[Live and Learn]

82. Pushing media back to command center.

We never even got to find out what happened.

[Union Scribe]

83. Maybe that's the idea. :( nt

[Live and Learn]

84. What is all this junk cops left in the street?

<a href="http://imgur.com/NCLXo3n"><img src="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /></a>

[Live and Learn]

85. The place looks like a war zone. Cops leaving a big mess. nt

[PatSeg]

86. Men with big guns

don't have to clean up after themselves.

[Live and Learn]

87. Reporter just threatened with getting shot again at the target.

Told them the state police told him to go there.

[Live and Learn]

88. Funny, not one reporter saw a cocktail being thrown

but that is why the police said they started the tear gassing.

[Live and Learn]

89. Press briefing supposed to be happening soon. nt

[Live and Learn]

90. Saying a half hour till the press briefing now. nt

[Live and Learn]

91. Tim Pool just interviewed one of his reporters that said

she interviewed police officers that gave her a ride to the press pool and asked them why the police were shooting at people and such and they told her that 'bad things happen to bad people, nothing happened to you did it?'

She replied, "Yes, we got tear gassed."

[Live and Learn]

92. Press Conference happening now - oops 10 to 15 minutes more.

Johnson first.

[Live and Learn]

93. Vice News reporter forbidden from filming arrest in progress. nt

[Live and Learn]

94. Bus of arrested individuals that said the were arrested for no reason.

Reporters were forced by police to stop filming the bus and put cameras down.

<a href="http://imgur.com/GNQzko3"><img src="" title="Hosted by imgur.com" /></a>

[joshcryer]

97. Sarah said later that they were arrested for "failure to disperse."

ie, they were kettled (they only way to "not disperse" is to be locked in by groups of police).

[Live and Learn]

99. And where is all the legal help for these people, right now?

At least OWS had plenty of them? I heard they were around Ferguson but not much about it.

[joshcryer]

100. They're in a no contact zone.

You enter or leave that zone you get arrested trying to get there and trying to leave. If reporters couldn't even film what do you think they'd to do ACLU advisers? Those poor guys will get time. Some may even have priors and have even more trouble looming.

ACLU advisers (generally lawyers who knew their civil rights laws) were able to get kettled occupiers freed on several occasions (without incident).

[Live and Learn]

101. Totally disgusting. nt

[Cal Carpenter]

132. THe National Lawyers Guild is on the scene

and has been providing advice and assistance to residents all week. Likely passing out their infamous "Know Your Rights" pamphlets and talking about constitutional rights of peaceful assembly etc with people.

They are ever-present at civil disobedience events, rallies, they were at many OWS sites.

I doubt they were able to be present at the scene of these arrests given the crowd disbursal and apparent kettling, or if they were, they were probably arrested too. Regardless, while they often try to mediate conflicts between protestors and cops (deescalate) they aren't really able to stop arrests but they can help with legal services after the fact.

THey are a pretty remarkable group, if you are interested I would suggest googling. (I say this as a recommendation -- based on my own experiences at protests/civil disobedience I think they are awesome. I don't want my post to come across as being all like 'google it yourself' or something, I don't mean it that way at all)

[Live and Learn]

95. Press interview happening now. 'McDonalds was overrun.'

Captain Johnson giving press conference.

[Live and Learn]

96. Police claim 7 or 8 arrests in press report. nt

[Live and Learn]

98. Seems all the live feeds are dead for the night. nt

[joshcryer]

102. VICE is back. Getting an escort by the cops.

No doubt they tried to walk out, yet again, and were stopped, yet again.

[Live and Learn]

104. Thanks, I'm back on them. nt

[Live and Learn]

105. Do you know where they are headed and why?

[joshcryer]

108. Back to their car.

In all honesty they were trapped in the media staging area because cops escorted them there to begin with. The cops are trying to handle the narrative and keep the media from reporting on the ground. They got in there, saw there was nothing to report on, and started to leave. Then they found the bus and were escorted yet again back to the media staging area.

This is insane. I bet the cop follows them out.

[Live and Learn]

110. Thanks, I finally figured it out. Cops insisted they turn cameras off

but they kept it live.

[joshcryer]

112. It's kind of good they got the ride.

That was a long ass drive and must've taken them 2 hours to walk to the staging area.

[Live and Learn]

107. Edgehill, looks like they where they are staying. nt

[Live and Learn]

109. Oops their car and cops gave them the ride. nt

[joshcryer]

103. Idiot cops claiming a phone is causing radio interference.

What a joke. This is such cronyism.

[Live and Learn]

106. What a surprise. nt

[joshcryer]

113. Damn lying cops.

[joshcryer]

111. Media can break curfew but only in "media designated zones."

In other words, you can't get in there until after curfew and you can't leave until after curfew. That's some USSR level shit there.

[joshcryer]

114. "Third incident with you ladies."

AFTER TELLING THEM TO FOLLOW HIM THEN THE FUCKING ASSHOLE CALLS THEM OUT.

[Live and Learn]

117. Yep. And now after lying to them about the National Guard, it is happening. nt

[joshcryer]

128. Just made a post about their lying.

I just know guy in the truck was cracking up about the ladies following them. He pulled up to that other police officer and told him "it's those girls again, haha, better go chew them out for pulling this crap." That's how it had to have gone down because there's no reason for that cop to go harass them.

They were simply following the guy in the trucks' instructions, following him, as they were told to do. In fact, the camera lady said "do we have to follow him? Let's just go down the street" and Sarah insisted that they had to follow. It's infuriating.

[Live and Learn]

129. Already replied to your post.

The entire situation is infuriating. I am guessing that the fact that they were young, cute and white is the only reason they didn't get more guff.

[Live and Learn]

121. Can you start a thread about the National Guard being called in? nt

[Live and Learn]

123. Never mind, Hissyspit did. nt

[countryjake]

115. 200 Missouri National Guard troops being brought in, number not confirmed

http://live.stlpublicradio.org/Event/Live_Updates_Community_Responds_To_Ferguson_Fatal_Police-Involved_Shooting

[Live and Learn]

116. Yep, just heard that. yikes! nt

[Live and Learn]

118. You should start a new thread about this. nt

[countryjake]

119. I have to leave for work in about 15 minutes...

no time, right now.

[Live and Learn]

120. Okay. Somebody will. nt

[countryjake]

122. Use this pic...

http://live.stlpublicradio.org/Event/Live_Updates_Community_Responds_To_Ferguson_Fatal_Police-Involved_Shooting

or this one:

[Live and Learn]

124. Okay, I'll add it to the thread Hissyspit just started. nt

[countryjake]

125. I just added a better one, use that.

I updated that previous post with a better pic of the order from Nixon. I gotta get going now.

[Live and Learn]

126. Done, thanks and have a good day. nt

[countryjake]

127. I fear for the people of Ferguson now.

You have a good one, too.

[SwankyXomb]

130. Shouldn't that read

"Following coordinated attacks on civilians BY law enforcement"?

[Live and Learn]

131. +1 nt