Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:10 PM Aug 2014

Here's my step-by-step speculation on how it went down.

My suspicion is that this is an instance of roid rage or something like it.

  • Wilson sees Brown and Johnson walking in the street and gets a little pissed off.
  • As he drives by he orders them back onto the sidewalk, using profanity.
  • Brown mouths off in response to the tone of the order.
  • Wilson hears that and gets even more angry.
  • He throws the truck into reverse and races backwards toward the pair.
  • When the truck stops beside them, a now enraged Wilson throws the the door open with extreme force.
  • It hits Brown, bounces back and smacks Wilson on the side of the head.
  • The sudden pain triggers Wilson and all his residual self-restraint evaporates.
  • He grabs Brown through the open window.
  • Brown pulls free and starts to run away.
  • Wilson jumps out into the street, aims at the running Brown, fires and misses.
  • Brown hears the shot and realizes the danger he's in.
  • He stops running suddenly (i.e. with a jerk), turns and raises his hands.
  • Wilson is now fully in the grips of the adrenaline rage.
  • Wilson aims for the head of the now-stationary Brown (the shot cluster tells us this) and continues firing until he goes down.
  • The shot in the crown of the head was probably the result of Brown falling forward as a result of the earlier shots.
It looks like a "vengeance execution" fueled by Wilson's steroid use and compounded by a massive adrenaline rush that was triggered by the pain of being hit in the head by the door.

Wilson got hit in the head by the door and then aimed for Brown's head as retribution.

JMHO.
21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Here's my step-by-step speculation on how it went down. (Original Post) GliderGuider Aug 2014 OP
I was just thinking that this situation needs more speculation... (nt) Recursion Aug 2014 #1
my thougts exactly Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #2
The only thing I'm speculating about is Wilson's state of mind and a possible reason for it. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #6
That is the same sequence I have been imagining from the start of tblue37 Aug 2014 #16
Steroids or speed are good candidates GliderGuider Aug 2014 #17
Oh, I agree, and I did think steroids might have been a factor in the cop's tblue37 Aug 2014 #18
So you figure we should just not talk about it? nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #8
Am I stopping anybody from talking about it? Recursion Aug 2014 #9
Agreed. You didn't even need the SARCASM marker rock Aug 2014 #11
Had to laugh at that. Seriously though, JimDandy Aug 2014 #13
It's time this goes to a jury. Hoyt Aug 2014 #3
About half past time for that, IMO. nt GliderGuider Aug 2014 #4
And having listened to the witnesses this fits their stories. jwirr Aug 2014 #5
That's a close as I think we're going to get without a final report. nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #7
I think you pretty much nailed it, given the evidence we have so far. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #10
Do we know yet whether Wilson was using steroids or other mood-altering VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #12
No, not yet. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #14
Kind of looks that way to me, too Warpy Aug 2014 #15
If either Brown or Wilson was hit by the car door, Forensics should be able to determine that. randome Aug 2014 #19
Too much time has passed for sure. GliderGuider Aug 2014 #20
This is almost precisely the same speculation I have done! logosoco Aug 2014 #21
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
2. my thougts exactly
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:14 PM
Aug 2014

Also have there been any reports on steroids? Or is that just more speculation by the OP?

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
6. The only thing I'm speculating about is Wilson's state of mind and a possible reason for it.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:21 PM
Aug 2014

Beyond that, it's based on eyewitness reports, the police report of a contusion on the side of Wilson's head, and the autopsy diagram.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
16. That is the same sequence I have been imagining from the start of
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:53 PM
Aug 2014

this flustercluck. The only difference is that I considered steroids to be a possible factor, but perhaps felt less certain of it than you seem to.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
17. Steroids or speed are good candidates
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:09 PM
Aug 2014

Something drastically reduced Wilson's self-control and contributed to the rapid onset of an over-the-top rage response. At this point the main reason I favor steroids is that they are more commonly used by LEOs than speed. I'm open to other suggestions for any other factor that could have made him trigger (in both senses of the word) like that.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
18. Oh, I agree, and I did think steroids might have been a factor in the cop's
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:12 PM
Aug 2014

over-the-top response. I also suspect steroids are a factor in many police brutality cases. My point was not that I don't agree that they were quite possibly involved, but only that my suspicions were perhaps a bit more tentative than yours.

rock

(13,218 posts)
11. Agreed. You didn't even need the SARCASM marker
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:39 PM
Aug 2014

I list the forms of evidence from worst to best as:
- Speculation;
- Anecdotal;
- Expert testimony;
- Forensic.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. I think you pretty much nailed it, given the evidence we have so far.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:27 PM
Aug 2014

Cops need lessons on the constitution, they need to be reminded that citizens have rights, that cops don't own the streets, and if they can't defuse a situation then then need to leave the force.

Zero tolerance if they can't control their power tripping.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
12. Do we know yet whether Wilson was using steroids or other mood-altering
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:51 PM
Aug 2014

substances?

Reading your account made me flash to the case of military doctor Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald, who murdered his wife and two kids. Joe McGinniss in Fatal Vision speculates that MacDonald may have been under the influence of speed at the time of the murders, one of whose side effects is these sudden outbursts of homicidal rage.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
14. No, not yet.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:04 PM
Aug 2014

We may never know for sure, because the FPD gave him plenty of time for a wash-out. But IMO it fits the known facts too well not to be a strong candidate - either steroids or speed.

Warpy

(111,165 posts)
15. Kind of looks that way to me, too
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:46 PM
Aug 2014

The Federal ME described the arm wounds as typical defensive wounds.

Wilson lost it and murdered a kid. He needs to be busted back to civilian and prevented from owning a firearm for the rest of his life even if he never sees a trial for manslaughter, at the very least.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. If either Brown or Wilson was hit by the car door, Forensics should be able to determine that.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:17 PM
Aug 2014

Of course maybe too much time has gone by since then.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
20. Too much time has passed for sure.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:20 PM
Aug 2014

It occurred to me because it fits the police statement about a contusion on Wilson's face, and also helps to explain his subsequent over-reaction.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
21. This is almost precisely the same speculation I have done!
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 02:33 PM
Aug 2014

I think this is why they are not releasing any official reports. Don't know why they are letting their town fall apart just to cover for one cop.

Based on what I have seen in photos, the street was not even a thoroughfare, it was a road into an apartment complex, so the young guys were not even blocking traffic really.

The "missed shot" (and i think i read where police removed a bullet from a building) could have easily hurt a bystander. That would have been a terrible shame, considering the cop was not actually stopping any crime when he pulled his weapon.

They have implied that Brown was being aggressive and hit the cop. They need to show the evidence of this (and I would be doubtful because they have waited too long). I have thought from the beginning that the injuries they say the cop had would be consistent with being hit by the door. I wish they would release this information!

Interesting things to think about and speculating is good brain exercise. Doesn't mean right or wrong, just shows people are thinking!

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Here's my step-by-step sp...