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Let us say, and why not, that starting last week, large groups of armed black men and women blockaded the roads to their neighborhood in Ferguson, Missouri. Let us say, and, indeed, why not, that those armed African-Americans said that they were sick and tired of being bullied by the government in the form of the police, with the killing of Michael Brown being the last straw, the one that broke the motherfuckin' camel's back.
And maybe they would declare that they were engaged in an act of civil disobedience against government overreach, that they had the right to walk the streets without being constantly subject to government interference in their daily lives. Perhaps the leaders of the protest would declare that God told them to stand up to the authorities. Perhaps they'd even say that they don't recognize the legitimacy of the police force. Perhaps they'd demand a restoration of government welfare programs that have been cut. Perhaps African-Americans from other cities would show up, armed, to join the Ferguson residents in defiance.
Then, let's say, and, remember, we're still in the realm of fantasy here, just having fun, you know, that a group of law enforcement officers, maybe cops, maybe state troopers, showed up with their armed vehicles and pointed their guns at the protesters. And then the protesters pointed all their guns back, declaring that they were willing to die, that they were making a stand and no one was going to get them to end it or take away their guns.
What would happen? Would law enforcement back down? Would they drive their BearCats back to the station? Would they lower their weapons and leave? Would senators stand with the Ferguson rebels? Would Fox "news" invite them on to praise their attack on a government gone mad?
Or would the cops just fucking waste them because they aren't white ranchers like Cliven Bundy, wanting free shit from the government? Hell, look what the cops are doing now and the Ferguson protesters have done nothing remotely as violent or threatening as the Bundy ranch assholes.
As for the Tea Party and the NRA, all those brave people who stand for "freedom" have pretty much scattered like fleas on an itchy dog and run when it comes time to oppose actual violence, not just playing cowboy. Freedom ain't free, but it sure is white.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/08/in-brief-thought-experiment-on-ferguson.html
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Sure seems like it.
calimary
(81,179 posts)It also takes TAX MONEY.
AGAIN His Rudeness makes an excellent point. Dovetails with the observation voiced all over Ferguson MO - and beyond, too: What if this situation were reversed? What if it was a black teen gunning down a white police officer? I think we all know how that would play out, don't we! You'd have the perpetrator named, busted, fingerprinted, and his mugshot would be all over TV, print, and online. And it would happen probably within hours of the shooting. It'd be everywhere. Justice would be swift and decisive.
I'm a 60-something white woman. I get this like a cream pie straight in the face! What about this does teabagger America not understand? What about this does BEYOND-teabagger-America not understand????
daleanime
(17,796 posts)although it's more of a gut punch for me.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)Needs to be a bumper sticker.
malaise
(268,844 posts)Or would the cops just fucking waste them because they aren't white ranchers like Cliven Bundy, wanting free shit from the government? Hell, look what the cops are doing now and the Ferguson protesters have done nothing remotely as violent or threatening as the Bundy ranch assholes.
As for the Tea Party and the NRA, all those brave people who stand for "freedom" have pretty much scattered like fleas on an itchy dog and run when it comes time to oppose actual violence, not just playing cowboy. Freedom ain't free, but it sure is white.
Racism and white privilege rule.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)but you alluded to that. In your "fantasy" scenario? Hell no, they would NOT have left. There would be blood flowing in the streets into the gutters and much more minority blood than 'peace officer' blood. Guaranteed.
Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)Thanks for the thread, meegbear.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)They are "Takers" who like living on $600-700 a month! They are happy that their kids have shitty schools and no real job prospects! Hell, disabled Americans and Vets like living way below poverty too! They have got to be stopped!
Let's really f**k with them and fix up their crappy schools. Make Walmart and McDonalds pay a living wage so THEY will make enough money to pay taxes! Shit, let's disincentives corporations hiding money overseas and moving their headquarters and factories over there so these people will have real opportunities making American products in America, boy that will really mess up those "Takers!"
calimary
(81,179 posts)You beat me to it. My post above (Freedom isn't free. It takes more than just "the blood of patriots." It also takes TAX MONEY.) came well after yours.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)the "entitled" elite and their paid Army surplus equipped stooge armies. It's just the "server and protector's" way of saying, fuck the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, we've got our Army Surplus Army gear and we need some live targets.("good training for the boyz" Do the citizens mean no more to the "authorities" than pop-up silhouettes at the shooting range?
The policeman supposedly told his lady friend, that, "The kid punched him in the face." Should an 18 year old kid be executed for that on the spot, or should the cop have called for back-up and collared the kid like it was his job to do, when help arrived on the scene? Is that county and city, so hard up for money, that they no longer plan to try citizens for their alleged crimes, before a jury of their peers, but shoot them down in the streets instead? Just execute people on the spot now, because the officer is angry? Sounds like how the Gestapo dished out "Justice." And...as with any crime...the cover-up is almost as wrong as the crime.
I'm an old, white, southern, democrat, man, who thinks this young man was cut down by a man who should have known better, simply because this policeman was probably angry, over being hit in the face. The shots were fired from a distance, so says the powder burn evidence. If the policeman was no longer physically engaged with the young man, why did he shoot? Was the kid charging at the officer? The absence of powder burns, seems to indicate, that the danger to the officer, may not in fact, have been life threatening. If the kid was falling down when the officer fired the fatal shot, the worst criminal of the two, may still be walking around wearing his badge and Army surplus, taxpayer funded, military hardware.
Erose999
(5,624 posts)That equipment exists to protect the privilege of the wealthy elite at home and abroad.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)the militarization of the police was their way around the Posse Comitatus Act to use military style cops to quell ANY PROTESTS!
I also think that if the cop had acted professionally and hadn't grabbed Michael through the window and cursed them he would not have been punched in the face. Cops have lost all respect for black youth and most citizens they come accross which starts a vicious cycle.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)The poor of any hue, VALUE, or intensity, should "NEVER AGAIN," be treated as the "Untermensch." Not in this, "free and democratic society." The "Ubermensch and the Ubermensch's Army, military or otherwise, need to Value, everyone, equally, in a free and democratic society, IMHO. Abraham Lincoln knew this and voiced it in his most famous and elegant speech. Thousands of Americans shed their blood in order to bring president Lincoln and many Civil War era citizens here in the USA, to this "evident" conclusion. A hundred and fifty years later, half of the people in America, still don't get that.
So..."Is Our Children Learnin'?" ***** NO, not as long as the Ubermensch's propagandists write all the textbooks and make up all the LESSons.
We sent our father's and grandfather's Armies abroad to freeze, starve, sweat, bleed and many thousands even died, to stop Mister Hitler's army of Ubermensch and their mass inhumanity machinery and insane and monstrous philosophies and plots. Now it seems that the Ubermensch philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, has taken root and now even thrives on our American streets and even in the hearts and minds of many of those who "Serve and Protect." That old Ubermensch philosophy seems to be dominating the hearts and souls of too many of those "leaders," who concoct the laws we live by today. Many of our "protectors" in Washington seem to openly despise and to undermine, with a passion, the poor and the downtrodden, in our country today. Peace, respect and understanding, are on the back burner in America, and that my friends, "is a damned shame!"
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)we would have more gun regulation, yesterday.
because we all know that the 2nd amendment only applies to white people.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)recent events has left me with egg on my face.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I'd done a similar comparison, but to the founding fathers and the American Revolution.. but not nearly as eloquently as the Rude Pundit.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025405972
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Rockyj
(538 posts)Very well said indeed!
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)It didn't work out as I recall. Just saying.