Can we stop with the 'you don't see white people rioting when...' bullshit?

[Drunken Irishman]

They just riot for stupid reasons - namely, their team winning a championship.

[arcane1]

1. Indeed, I remember the damage San Francisco suffered after winning a damn game.

White America would collectively shit itself if those were brown faces in those images.

[etherealtruth]

2. Oh holy shit

Go to the Michigan State campus after big sports wins ... or big sports losses.

One can see kids (teens and young adults) from all races, religion and ethnicities rioting

[Squinch]

3. Oh, FFS. Did someone really say that?

[Drunken Irishman]

6. I've been seeing it all over the internet the last few days.

It's really getting old.

[Squinch]

7. Ugh. At least it was no one here. I was afraid that was what you were saying. Though it might

not have surprised me.

[JI7]

13. another one is how Obama doesn't mention white people who have been shot and killed

they ignore that in those cases the person who did the shooting is arrested and not seen as a hero or defended the way zimmerman and this cop is.

[GoCubsGo]

4. Or, not winning a championship.

As in the case of Vancouver.

[randys1]

5. REverse the roles of white and Black in America past 300 yrs and it wouldnt take

A Trayvon and a Davis and a Brown, and thousands more, for the white people to burn down the entire country, it would take one incident like that and you would not be able to put out the fire for years.

White people have proven that to us lately, just watch how they react when they think a Brown person might be getting preferential treatment over something

Again, I am white...so if you dont like what I have to say about white people, take it up with the wall and talk to it...

[JI7]

14. this is real and it's usually white men who view themselves as oppressed and minorities getting

special preferential treatment.

i see it all over the internet and you have trolls on here who sneak it in also. some are open like that rudolf person who hopefully has been banned.

it's not just disagreement over a specific individual case. but they think it's some nationwide thing.

a non white person being president is a sign of oppression against whites to them.

and always throw in the al sharpton and jesse jackson complaints.

i don't know how people can be so clueless.

[Moostache]

15. I agree with you to a large extent (white person also)...

White people are just as likely as anyone else - black, brown, yellow, green, etc. - to lash out with violence and lawlessness. They are also far more likely to be overtly aggrieved about minor transgressions due to an over-developed sense of entitlement

The plan for the 1% seems pretty clear to me...experiment on the black population (kettling, tear gas versus smoke, rubber bullets versus noise, curfew versus overt intimidation) before having to deploy the military tactics against the rest of the 99% on a wider scale. Get the kinks out now, on what they view as surplus humanity by their repetitive actions and lack of compassion, and then have the suppression system worked out pretty well when its needed for the dumb-asses currently championing the police behavior in "counter-protests" in St. Louis.

Its never a problem to some people until its in their front yard or on their streets. What's going on now are the opening salvos of the coming war of the 1% versus the rest of us in the next 10-15 years. They have their mercenaries and weapons and are field testing them now...

[randys1]

25. I keep hearing how white people are being attacked too like Occupy and WTO, while true

it is important to remember that in specific and unusual circumstances like Occupy, yes the cops go after anybody and everybody regardless of race or religion, Gay or str8t, etc.

But the African American community and I suppose Latino community to a lesser respect deal with being targeted all day, everyday, in almost every town and city in America.

If one Black man and 200 white men walk into a "Barney's" clothing store, I bet the Black guy gets followed and the 200 white guys dont.

Just as an example.

[Moostache]

35. That is sadly true as well.

Society is conditioned by the media, especially by the television and film industries, to reflexively fear things through associations and false equivalencies. Case in point - young black men are immediately considered a "threat" because of the standard APB that hits the evening news "police are seeking a suspect, black, 18-45, medium build wearing a white tee shirt and jeans" (which only describes about 75% of ALL black men in a given area)....the way Americans are kept constantly afraid, constantly armed and constantly worrying about "the other" is all part of the wider mechanism of societal control exerted over the population by the oligarchs who have usurped power.

They own the factories, mills, mines and farmlands.
They sent all the jobs overseas to avoid paying fair wages (consistent with the rise in productivity)...
They sent all the profits overseas to avoid paying taxes (even though corporate tax rates are at historic lows since the 30's)
They bought the politicians decades ago....
They bought the judges and courts as well...
The police are nothing more than their yapping attack dogs, barely leashed at times...

TV and radio from the right keep about 40% of the total population vitriolically afraid of the black population (and really anyone not just like them, though the blacks are easier targets to start with).

[randys1]

36. and for some middle aged white guys like me, I assume I will be seen with

an adverse set of eyes if I am in an all minority neighborhood especially if a poor neighborhood

It is people who look like me who have oppressed, lynched and Jim Crowed these people for 300 years...

So it is very understandable why I would be looked at the way I may be.

[randys1]

40. So only Black people rob stores?

[randys1]

43. You are very confused, you see you want to do what is called racial profiling

You are afraid I guess of people who look different from you, sad.

[randys1]

45. LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[randys1]

47. Oh man, take your white superiority complex and your denial of 300 yrs of history

and go down the street to Sean Hannitys forum or something

You dont really think you can debate this with anybody here, I hope

your days of being in charge and telling everybody else what they can and cannot do and have are coming to an end

prepare for it

and no that is not a threat, it is a promise that the rest of us will not tolerate white, rightwing racism and superiority any longer.

we will stop you at the polls and if necessary in the street

[randys1]

50. And if you only knew how that comment has rendered you completely clueless

and unable to argue any longer.

You are making a fool of yourself.

[randys1]

54. You havent asked any questions, you have only exposed your bigotry and ignorance

of the CURRENT and recent history of this country.

I am sorry if you dont understand what I have to tell you, I think I know why you dont, but to tell the truth I stopped talking to people like you long ago.

I dont deal with you ever in my life if I can help it, not anymore, life is too short.

You may continue to pretend you dont understand racism, institutional racism, history, both YESTERDAY and 200 yrs ago, but NOBODY hERE including myself has the time to educate you, sorry.

Ever considered taking a history class in your local community college?

[randys1]

57. Oh but you do need the class, badly.

If you have to ask why someone would do that to those words, in AMERICA, then you need the class, BADLY

[randys1]

60. I am not the expert, at all...By playing this game with me you have proven who you are

and that no information will change your mind.

I will give you a hint to the answer, it is IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE other than a white person to be a racist in USA...

Extrapolate that out to the logical conclusion and you will see why it is important to capitalize certain words and not others.

[randys1]

63. That you dont agree (big surprise) is a part of your whole problem and why you

dont understand and never will

You are a part of society who has an attitude that is wrong, I cant go beyond that, get a history lesson from an honest professor.

I am not being paid enough to do it

[randys1]

66. dont know where you live, but you dont know much actually

google

community college

where you live

really, you need to do this, all white americans do including myself

but I know enough to know why I would do that to those words in THIS COUNTRY

[randys1]

71. LOL , so I am a racist piece of shit, well I am capable of being racist since I am white, but no...

You see I am an informed, intelligent, mature person and you (finally, it took a while) are the one with the problem.

You dont see how I did that, do you?

also, your post is bordering on violent, I dont usually report people but I may have to report you, you seem violent to me

[NRaleighLiberal]

69. All about history? All history? That's quite a claim that you are making...

[arcane1]

65. I have to call bullshit on that claim. Racism, noun:

Full Definition of RACISM

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2: racial prejudice or discrimination


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist


It's absurd to claim that only white people can be racist. I've known PLENTY of non-white racists. Non-whites don't experience nearly as much as definition #2 above, but saying that non-white people can't be racist is so out-there that it deserves a sarcasm icon.

[randys1]

67. Oh god LOL what a waste of time this is...

dear god, i give up...

[cui bono]

75. It was interesting reading only your side of that convo.

Seems like good riddance.

[randys1]

81. i missed some of what he said, wonder if he threatened me anyone else see ???

i reported him because of the violent tone he took

those kind of folk HATE it that I capitalize Black and not white, drives them nuts

[Quayblue]

84. I was going to report it

but the line was being toed so carefully. I didn't see the violent stuff tho. Thanks for your points in this one sided conversation lol.

[Exultant Democracy]

72. "history has nothing to do with anything" ... How does physics work on your world without causality?

[Moostache]

48. I don't think we are suggesting the same things...

I am talking about institutionalized racism - things where a store owner who has NEVER been robbed, yet would still follow the black customers more closely than white ones, even though statistically speaking you are more likely to have a white shoplifter in your establishment than a black one.

If a store owner is in a specific area and having specific crimes occur, there is a difference. If you are in a an area of high crime and taking a lot of losses from theft, then your views and policies may be changed and certainly influenced by that experience.

But if you look at the overall picture, many times it is not the experience of being robbed that causes this kind of profiling...its irrational fear or outright racism baked into the system in general. Its suburban mall shop owners or rural businesses that may have one black customer a month or even in a year... Its an attitude and a behavior that is not learned by experience but by false experience and undue influences. Media says black teens are criminals, ignorant or bigoted store owners buy it and then profile their customers as a result - EVEN IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ROBBED OR STOLEN FROM. This is a real phenomenon and really at the heart of the problem. Whites like myself NEVER face a store owner's sideways looks and assumptions of crime...that kind of thinking - irrational, non-reality based - feeds into society and poisons race relations.

It also gets extended to police officers and their treatment of minorities, especially in black-majority neighborhoods with white police. These cops riding around on a power trip going off like hair-triggers has a lot in common with the irrational store owners way of thinking. If you view everyone as a potential threat, you are FAR more likely to use excessive force (shoot now and justify later).

I think its disingenuous to not think that broader social attitudes do not affect the way people see things - I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I believe this tragedy in Ferguson has opened my eyes to things in a way that I never considered too much just 10 days ago...

[Moostache]

53. I am going to just let you live in the world you are in.

Its sad that you would really think those things, let alone post them on a progressive website's forums; but I can't make you stop and I won't bother trying any further.

White people in America crying about racism or the nonsensical "reverse racism" is quite simply pathetic and I am no longer responding to this line of nonsense.

[Number23]

62. I know you mean well but I am sick of seeing this clueless mess here

The plan for the 1% seems pretty clear to me...experiment on the black population (kettling, tear gas versus smoke, rubber bullets versus noise, curfew versus overt intimidation) before having to deploy the military tactics against the rest of the 99% on a wider scale.

White people of ALL economic classes have been "experimenting" on black/non white people since this fucking country was founded. This whole 1% vs. 99% when it comes to racial matters is ignorant BS that TRULY needs to stop. It wasn't wealthy white folks that lynched my great uncle which almost killed my great grandmother. It was dirt poor whites.

It wasn't rich whites that denied my mother (and even me on ocassion) jobs regardless of how qualified she was. It was middle class whites. It's not just rich whites tossing black kids out of schools, pulling us over ever five minutes for nothing, making us the number one recipient of hate crimes above ANY OTHER GROUP.

Alot of the hate in this country is not caused by the rich and never has been. This is RACISM at its ugliest rawest form. And all of the "it's the oligarchs' fault!!" idiocy does is absolve every day white people of their responsibility in helping end this cancer that has plagued our country since Day 1.

[randys1]

39. If you have to ask, then you wont understand the answer

and just by asking the question you have assumed white superiority as the natural state of being

[gollygee]

8. Let's look at the history of race riots in our country

Last edited Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:33 PM - Edit history (2)

and see how many more were terrorism against people of color than were caused by people of color. (Hint: there have been many more race riots against people of color than by.) And then the difference between the two is striking too. White people riot to enforce white supremacy. People of color riot out of frustration with being victims of white supremacy.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States

[11 Bravo]

9. Sure, WE can, but FoxNoise and the rest of the wing-nut echo chamber most assuredly will not.

[ieoeja]

10. How Chicago put an end to celebratory rioting after the 1991 Bulls championship.

The Chicago police department did something really weird. They interviewed everybody arrested that first championship asking them where they were when the game ended, how they ended up rioting, etc.

Next year they immediately closed every interstate entering the city the moment the Bulls won. The next 5 championships that the Bulls won resulted in no rioting.

Turns out, the rioters were not inner city African-Americans. They were overwhelmingly White suburbanites who came into the city to tear up the place after the game. They weren't even in the city watching the game to celebrate if the Bulls won! They waited until after the Bulls won and then came in to riot.

[exboyfil]

26. Source

That is a fascinating story.

[valerief]

11. K&R

[JI7]

12. didn't they riot when some that coach was fired over the whole sandusky child molestation thing ?

and attacked the victims of molestation .

[Patiod]

82. No. No they did not attack the victims of the molestation. Where did you get that?

I was actually going to post pictures of mostly-white crowds of young men rioting in State College over the firing of Paterno. General kid stupidity in the streets, but not cops in tanks.

But instead I'll leave you with this photo of the overwhelming majority of Penn State students holding a candlelight vigil for the victims (NOT for the coach, for the victims)
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[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. They only say that to back up the myth that black people are actually savages....

The belief by a LOT of whites is that blacks are little more than trained monkeys that will go back to their animal nature unless you keep them on a tight leash. Disgusting, but that's the attitude. More so than the attitude they had about Native Americans.

Native Americans were seen as "primitive" but blacks weren't even seen as human. They were animals like horses or cows.

[AverageJoe90]

17. Yep. There is truth to this.

Hell, there are examples from the 19th century of reactionary white people rioting over black folks and even *white* immigrants, because they were too numerous, or successful, etc., to their liking!

[Matrosov]

18. White people also don't...

White people also don't have the same poverty rate as African Americans and aren't subject to the same kinds of racism.

African Americans don't riot because they're bored or they're bad people, they riot because they're sick and tired of the injustice.

[treestar]

23. This ^^^^^^^

It is middle class and rich people who don't riot.

[MADem]

31. Sure they do, when their hockey team loses! nt

[treestar]

32. Well now that's something to riot about!

[LordGlenconner]

19. And don't get me started on the Europeans

Students riot in France if the fucking wind direction changes and they don't like it.

[Iamthetruth]

20. White people riot as well

There is no excuse for anyone to riot. He'll go to West Virginia after a WVU big win in football(yes I know that is rare) and watch the couch burnings.

Stupid is stupid and knows no race, religion or sex.

[VanGoghRocks]

21. I'd prefer to stop calling what's happening in Ferguson 'rioting.' I prefer the

term "resistance" (keeping in mind Mao's aphorism that "all oppression breeds resistance&quot . It's not yet a revolution, more an insurrectionary moment, but the ghosts of the Communards of 1870 Paris are stirring and, I think, perhaps starting to smile.

To quote the Rude Pundit's brilliant essay today:

Let us say, and why not, that starting last week, large groups of armed black men and women blockaded the roads to their neighborhood in Ferguson, Missouri. Let us say, and, indeed, why not, that those armed African-Americans said that they were sick and tired of being bullied by the government in the form of the police, with the killing of Michael Brown being the last straw, the one that broke the motherfuckin' camel's back.

And maybe they would declare that they were engaged in an act of civil disobedience against government overreach, that they had the right to walk the streets without being constantly subject to government interference in their daily lives. Perhaps the leaders of the protest would declare that God told them to stand up to the authorities. Perhaps they'd even say that they don't recognize the legitimacy of the police force. Perhaps they'd demand a restoration of government welfare programs that have been cut. Perhaps African-Americans from other cities would show up, armed, to join the Ferguson residents in defiance.

Then, let's say, and, remember, we're still in the realm of fantasy here, just having fun, you know, that a group of law enforcement officers, maybe cops, maybe state troopers, showed up with their armed vehicles and pointed their guns at the protesters. And then the protesters pointed all their guns back, declaring that they were willing to die, that they were making a stand and no one was going to get them to end it or take away their guns.

What would happen? Would law enforcement back down? Would they drive their BearCats back to the station? Would they lower their weapons and leave? Would senators stand with the Ferguson rebels? Would Fox "news" invite them on to praise their attack on a government gone mad?

Or would the cops just fucking waste them because they aren't white ranchers like Cliven Bundy, wanting free shit from the government? Hell, look what the cops are doing now and the Ferguson protesters have done nothing remotely as violent or threatening as the Bundy ranch assholes.

As for the Tea Party and the NRA, all those brave people who stand for "freedom" have pretty much scattered like fleas on an itchy dog and run when it comes time to oppose actual violence, not just playing cowboy. Freedom ain't free, but it sure is white.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

[951-Riverside]

22. Remember when Coach Joe Poop got fired for turning a blind eye to Sandusky molesting those kids?

[butterfly77]

29. Because as we all know..

Sports are most important overall

[treestar]

24. Makes me think of The Clash

"White Riot"

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

Black people gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick

An' everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
An' nobody wants
To go to jail!

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

All the power's in the hands
Of people rich enough to buy it
While we walk the street
Too chicken to even try it

Everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
Nobody wants
To go to jail!

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

Are you taking over
or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards
Or are you going forwards?

[exboyfil]

27. My state of Iowa's own claim to fame

VEISHEA.

My daughter gets to cover the cost of that riot this year on her student fees.

[Starcats]

28. And let's not forget

the 1999 rioting, looting, smash n' grabs done by white kids at the Seattle 1999 WTO protests!

[MADem]

30. We---as in DU--shouldn't even start with that crap, never mind stop it!

Hell, if the hockey team loses, there are cars being tossed and rubber bullets flying....

This isn't a time for finger-wagging, certainly.

[santroy79]

33. That. Isn't even our country

[Jack Rabbit]

34. And now the Anthem of the Tea Party, the white people who riot . . .

[center]

[/center]
Lyrics

[Cha]

58. Here's another one from history, DI.. and thank you for your OP..

Dab Aggin @DabAggin
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Things erupt in #Ferguson overnight... Oops wrong story. Just "whacky" Penn State kids protesting JoePa's firing.
1:26 AM - 17 Aug 2014 5,515 Retweets 2,528 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/08/18/two-americas/

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

68. the degenerates who descend on the OC beach towns each summer are a non-stop Dude Bro riot

Cops vs. Bros: A historical time line
http://www.ocweekly.com/2014-07-24/news/us-open-of-surfing-time-line/

[BumRushDaShow]

74. Thank you MIRT

for taking out the trash.

And thank you DI for the thread because the pics in your OP is ubiquitous... And not just after championships but every weekend at the average state university.

[cwydro]

76. You know what you really don't see?

Women rioting.

Always young men. Black or white. Who cares.

funny thing that.

[villager]

77. Or when they want to help throw a Presidential election:

[DinahMoeHum]

78. From last year - Huntington Beach, CA surf riots

Lots of white dudes out there.

http://www.thesurfchannel.com/news/20130729/greatest-athletic-event-ever-greatest-sporting-event-greatest-idiots-ever-dont-penalize-the-sport/

[rainy]

79. Any chance you posted this on fb? I'd

like to share it.

[still_one]

80. There were riots after the Dan White verdict. The night of the Chicago convention, during the Viet

Nam war, during all kinds of disputes throughout this countries history.

I suspect those people who makes such comparisons would like to forget about Rosewood Florida also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre

tunnel vision is so nice because you can ignore reality

[Blanks]

83. I remember the 'Aggieville' riots in the 1980's.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggieville_Riots

[ret5hd]

85. .