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joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:15 PM Aug 2014

Police Sources Tell Reporter That More Witnesses Are Coming Forward To Confirm Officer’s Account



"On Friday, someone claiming to be a friend of Officer Darren Wilson, the policeman involved in the shooting death of Michael Brown, gave an account that was very different from other stories we had heard.

In “Josie’s” version of events, Wilson asked Brown and Dorian Johnson, 22, to move out of the street, before they became confrontational. When Wilson heard about the strong-arm robbery on the radio, he tried to get out of the car, and Brown slammed his door shut. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up. And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into the car. Punches him in the face and then Darren grabs for his gun.

Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

That account was confirmed by several sources in Ferguson speaking with CNN’s Don Lemon, who told him that it matched Officer Wilson’s account.

And Monday night, St. Louis Dispatch reporter Christine Byers tweeted that that recounting of events has been backed up by even more people on the ground in Ferguson."

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/169302-police-sources-tell-reporter-witnesses-coming-forward-corroborate-officers-account/

The fix is in.
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Police Sources Tell Reporter That More Witnesses Are Coming Forward To Confirm Officer’s Account (Original Post) joeglow3 Aug 2014 OP
Amazing how some memories improve over time. Kind of like Reverse Alzheimer's. The "hip" detail WinkyDink Aug 2014 #1
Yeah, how did they see what was going on in that police car through, you know, STEEL? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #5
We had four people who allowed their names to be used gollygee Aug 2014 #2
Cops are doing PR for Wilson and McCulloch is acting as his defense attorney. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #3
black or white UtahEther Aug 2014 #15
You chose that for your first post on DU? MohRokTah Aug 2014 #17
The town is 67% Black. I doubt any of these upaloopa Aug 2014 #20
How is McCulloch is acting as his defense attorney? pintobean Aug 2014 #37
Yes, all these anonymous unsourced sources have definitely got the agreed-upon story villager Aug 2014 #4
Yeah, I can hear it now..."we'll make your arrest warrants go away if you testify the way we want". Lars39 Aug 2014 #6
This "Josie" character didn't seem to be "confirming" Wilson's account -- stranger81 Aug 2014 #7
That was how I understood it too Duer 157099 Aug 2014 #62
And I'll bet they were all at Woodstock... IDemo Aug 2014 #8
They've got their talking points down like Republicans City Lights Aug 2014 #9
So there should be close up gun powder residue to prove this? Why have these witnesses waited so jwirr Aug 2014 #10
Didn't at least one of the autopsy reports FLyellowdog Aug 2014 #25
A big rat. jwirr Aug 2014 #43
A big white stinking racist rat. nt redqueen Aug 2014 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #48
If the cops still have Michael's clothes... BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #57
I guess they needed all this time to coordinate their story Sanity Claws Aug 2014 #11
So this friend was in the police truck when the assault happened? Rex Aug 2014 #12
this doesnt work as a witness story, as reported 0rganism Aug 2014 #13
also.. I may be mistaken but thought I read today Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #56
I thought the store did not call in the robbery n/t GitRDun Aug 2014 #63
witnesses on the scene or witness to the officers testimony? Quayblue Aug 2014 #14
Here come the CoFAAs Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #16
The Media Trial by Leak of Michael Brown alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #18
The real reason the PR firm was brought in? justiceischeap Aug 2014 #40
"Josie" is not a witness, she was not at the scene Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #19
the only part of Josie's account I buy was that is "was unbelievable" how Michael charged at the bettyellen Aug 2014 #52
correct. it was and still is unbelievable. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #58
ijreview is pro-fascist propaganda media blm Aug 2014 #21
that was not the point joeglow3 Aug 2014 #28
the point is that the pro-fascist propaganda network is crucial to pulling off the 'fix' blm Aug 2014 #65
If this goes before a Grand Jury aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #22
Is there indeed an account from Wilson? A police report? rgbecker Aug 2014 #23
Obviously Wilson has given them a statement, but it hasn't been released Azathoth Aug 2014 #30
Except when you have somebody claiming to be one of his friends trumpeting his "version" alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #35
Actually, that was a caller to some right-wing radio show Azathoth Aug 2014 #38
I keep hearing about this story and it is giving me such a headache! logosoco Aug 2014 #24
Plus, wouldn't there be bruises on Brown's hand if he punched Wilson in the jaw? nt justiceischeap Aug 2014 #42
or if he had fractured his orbit as is being claimed? Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #59
Journalists need to stop using "police source" as if that is an official account of the state alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #26
How did she know that he heard about the strong-armed robbery on the radio? underpants Aug 2014 #27
I see ijreview BS on Facebook all the time underpants Aug 2014 #29
Unnamed sources, second and third hand information...nothing here. Avalux Aug 2014 #31
And the leaking continues aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #32
Special prosecutor is needed immediately in this case: Bob McCulloch cannot investigate impartially alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #33
There was an African American lady who appeared on CNN right after the shooting aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #39
Uh-huh.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #34
ijreview is just another sources of RW propaganda and typically carries........ wandy Aug 2014 #36
Too many lies and too much inconsistency for me to believe anything out of the PD. blackspade Aug 2014 #41
all they have to do onethatcares Aug 2014 #44
Were these people there? Unless it is the following 5: Xyzse Aug 2014 #45
Old trick kwolf68 Aug 2014 #47
The reporter in question is on leave; tweets were not suitable for publication. Unvanguard Aug 2014 #49
Put on leave of absense by the paper (St Louis Dispatch) HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #53
Even "IF" Mike did do that Politicalboi Aug 2014 #50
He never heard about the robbery. The store never called it in. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #51
must be true! since all those unlikely-to-have-been-seen details match the officers' account! Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #54
They needed the autopsy results to get Lex Aug 2014 #55
It does differ from "Shot in the back while kneeling and surrendering" seveneyes Aug 2014 #60
By the time they are done Mike Brown will have been made into Ted Bundy, Bin Laden, Zodiac Killer LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #61
these "witnesses" are here MFM008 Aug 2014 #64
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
1. Amazing how some memories improve over time. Kind of like Reverse Alzheimer's. The "hip" detail
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:15 PM
Aug 2014

is a nice touch.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
5. Yeah, how did they see what was going on in that police car through, you know, STEEL?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:18 PM
Aug 2014

They're superpeople from Krypton with X-Ray vision!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. We had four people who allowed their names to be used
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

who immediately had the same statement about what happening. Anonymous people days later don't impress me.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
3. Cops are doing PR for Wilson and McCulloch is acting as his defense attorney.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

Damned straight the fix is in.

Can't wait to see the dozen white faces who were "eyewitnesses".

UtahEther

(1 post)
15. black or white
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:26 PM
Aug 2014

And if they were black eyewitnesses with the same account it would somehow be more credible?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
17. You chose that for your first post on DU?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:32 PM
Aug 2014

Go watch a video of the aftermath of Wilson executing Brown in the street in broad daylight. The only white faces you'll see are cops.

And Wilson is pacing up and down like a caged tiger wihout a mark on him regardless of what bullshit about injuries is being spread. He was there for hours.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
20. The town is 67% Black. I doubt any of these
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:43 PM
Aug 2014

new witnesses are Black and I doubt any of them are eye witnesses. The eye witnesses have been named and seen on TV. They have not spoken to the police. These new witnesses have not been seen on TV or named. I doubt they are eye witnesses with an original story to tell. Who are they? Where were they when the shooting took place. Where is the police report? Where is the shooter? All missing!

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
7. This "Josie" character didn't seem to be "confirming" Wilson's account --
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:18 PM
Aug 2014

she was simply parroting it. I heard her statement, and she never claimed to have been a percipient witness to the incident.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
62. That was how I understood it too
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:43 PM
Aug 2014

In fact, she mentioned Facebook, and it sort of sounded like she might have just been retelling what she read on the Facebook page of Wilson's significant other.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. So there should be close up gun powder residue to prove this? Why have these witnesses waited so
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:20 PM
Aug 2014

long to come forward?

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
25. Didn't at least one of the autopsy reports
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:58 PM
Aug 2014

say there was no gun residue on Brown? Methinks me smells a rat.

Response to redqueen (Reply #46)

0rganism

(23,943 posts)
13. this doesnt work as a witness story, as reported
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:22 PM
Aug 2014

"When Wilson heard about the strong-arm robbery on the radio"

This detail alone throws the story into doubt. Are we to believe that the "witness" could know what Darren Wilson heard on his radio?

I'm going to bet this is simply parroting of FPD talking points. The more this gets into the echo chamber, the more it's supported in the zeitgeist, the easier it will be to stack the jury and get Ofcr. Wilson the acquittal the FPD thinks he deserves.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
56. also.. I may be mistaken but thought I read today
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:22 PM
Aug 2014

that it's been acknowledged Wilson could not have known
about the robbery nor suspect's description at that point.
That officially it the robbery is not connected to the shooting.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
14. witnesses on the scene or witness to the officers testimony?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:25 PM
Aug 2014

This story is playing these questions against each other and I call bullshit.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
16. Here come the CoFAAs
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:29 PM
Aug 2014

The Circle of Friends and Associates can always be counted on to pass on lies to support the desired stories. I hope these people are put on lie detector tests and their whereabouts confirmed at the time of the critical events.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. The Media Trial by Leak of Michael Brown
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:35 PM
Aug 2014

The Ferguson PD and St. Louis PD orchestrate a smear campaign on a murder victim, while hiding any actual evidence of their investigation from the public.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
40. The real reason the PR firm was brought in?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:30 PM
Aug 2014

Not just to "field media requests" as stated. I'm guessing they're behind this... I wonder if any of the chipper white girls on the PR site is named Josie.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
19. "Josie" is not a witness, she was not at the scene
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:36 PM
Aug 2014

Hearing a second hand account does not make a person a witness.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
52. the only part of Josie's account I buy was that is "was unbelievable" how Michael charged at the
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:54 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:10 PM - Edit history (1)

cop. I take that to mean she doesn't even believe it herself.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
58. correct. it was and still is unbelievable.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:25 PM
Aug 2014

especially after so many actual eyewitness accounts.

I don't know how much is registered on social media, ie
people posting as they saw what was happening, or
immediately after, people actually on the scene, but
it would be important time-stamped evidence, I would
think.

blm

(113,043 posts)
65. the point is that the pro-fascist propaganda network is crucial to pulling off the 'fix'
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:43 PM
Aug 2014

You think Poppy Bush, Rev Moon, Rupert Murdoch, and their NWO cronies didn't expect their RW propaganda media machine would be used like this when they were developing this 'machine' in the 80s and 90s?

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
22. If this goes before a Grand Jury
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:49 PM
Aug 2014

something tells me they are preparing the public for a decision not to indict Darren Wilson. I don't know how it works in Missouri but in most jurisdictions the grand jurors remain anonymous and this case could very well be heard by an all-white group. The DA usually has the option of presenting the case to the Grand Jury where the public is excluded or going directly to the Courts for a preliminary hearing for probable cause. I'd choose the latter in this case like they did in the OJ case to avoid any appearance of back door shenanigans, because of racial sensitivities, and because of excessive media attention.

rgbecker

(4,826 posts)
23. Is there indeed an account from Wilson? A police report?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:53 PM
Aug 2014

Has it been released and does anybody have a link to it so we all can read it?

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
30. Obviously Wilson has given them a statement, but it hasn't been released
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:11 PM
Aug 2014

No one knows exactly what Wilson's story is and the police deliberately have kept it that way. Any witness accounts that corroborate his story thus become more credible because there is no way for potentially sympathetic witnesses to fit their stories to his.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
35. Except when you have somebody claiming to be one of his friends trumpeting his "version"
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:17 PM
Aug 2014

on radio and CNN.

Azathoth

(4,607 posts)
38. Actually, that was a caller to some right-wing radio show
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:23 PM
Aug 2014

And no one knew whether it was real or bullshit until yesterday when CNN apparently got someone with knowledge of the investigation to confirm it. By now it doesn't matter because the police/FBI have gotten statements from all the important witnesses.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
24. I keep hearing about this story and it is giving me such a headache!
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:55 PM
Aug 2014

This "Josie", who I have heard is a friend of Wilson's girlfriend, calls a radio show, and so many people take what she says as the truth.

SHE WAS NOT THERE!

The Ferguson chief said in a press conference (I saw the clip) and he said the officer did NOT know about the "robbery". He was confronting the two men because they were "jaywalking".

If this story is true, (and I do not really think it is, no matter how many times they tell it), physical evidence will show. Mike Brown's finger prints will be all over the vehicle, and, if the story is correct, on the officer's holster or weapon. Why not just release the official account that shows this evidence instead of relying on this "Jodie" person?

If there was a physical altercation before the shooting, I don't see it happening like this. The cop just sat there and let this person "bum rush" them, then get shoved down , have their gun almost taken away, and then punched? And at some point the gun went off in the car? But then they were able to come to their senses and, while this person was getting away, they pulled the gun and shot them to death?

I don't know. So much happening in the past few weeks. I am trying to use my intelligence, but it does not seem to match up with what so many are saying.
Something is missing in that narrative. If it is true, that person should never have been a cop and needs a new job in another field altogether.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
26. Journalists need to stop using "police source" as if that is an official account of the state
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:59 PM
Aug 2014

And start recognizing it as PR for the killer - at best - and aiding and abetting at worst.

There is nothing neutral or official about the Ferguson or St. Louis County PD at this point.

We need a special prosecutor immediately.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
27. How did she know that he heard about the strong-armed robbery on the radio?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:01 PM
Aug 2014

This is like a bad mystery novel.

underpants

(182,769 posts)
29. I see ijreview BS on Facebook all the time
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:02 PM
Aug 2014

and I heard it on Fox & Friends this morning - that people are now coming out backing the official story BUT THERE IS NO OFFICIAL STORY - sorry this is complete bullshit.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
31. Unnamed sources, second and third hand information...nothing here.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:12 PM
Aug 2014

'Josie', who has been spreading Wilson's account of events, wasn't there and is a friend of his girlfriend (supposedly). And so far, if there are eye witnesses who agree with the story we've heard from Josie (who again, didn't see anything with her own eyes), we don't know who they are. The police may indeed have a dozen eyewitnesses in support of Wilson, or they could be making it all up.

We know nothing.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
32. And the leaking continues
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:13 PM
Aug 2014

and the effort to influence the potential jury pool continues. The convenience store tape, the alleged marijuana in Brown's system, and now the multitude of witnesses who will back Darren Wilson's account.

The prospective prosecutor in this case had a father who was a police officer who was killed in the line of duty by a black man. This is starting to really trouble me.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
33. Special prosecutor is needed immediately in this case: Bob McCulloch cannot investigate impartially
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:16 PM
Aug 2014

The leaking from completely biased "police sources" is unconscionable.

This a fucking murder investigation! Are they all fucking crazy down there?

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
39. There was an African American lady who appeared on CNN right after the shooting
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:25 PM
Aug 2014

and described her application for a job in the DA's office down there after she graduated from law school. She said one of the questions she was asked during the job interview for Deputy D.A. was whether she thought she could work in an office where the "N" word was used all the time. No office in modern America, especially in a DA's office, would permit the use of that expression unless it was being tolerated or even encouraged directly from the top.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
36. ijreview is just another sources of RW propaganda and typically carries........
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:20 PM
Aug 2014

stories such as........
Dr. Ben Carson’s Voice of Reason on Ferguson: ‘We’ve Got To Start Being Objective’
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/169320-dr-ben-carson-ferguson-weve-got-start-objective/

‘Then HOW Can You Say There’s No Evidence of Criminal Wrongdoing?!’ – Trey Gowdy Grills IRS Commissioner Koskinen
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/150203-can-say-theres-evidence-criminal-wrongdoing-trey-gowdy-grills-irs-commissioner-koskinen/

Meet the Progressive DA Texas Governor Rick Perry Wanted Removed from the Public Integrity Unit
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168537-meet-progressive-da-texas-governor-rick-perry-wanted-removed-public-integrity-unit/

Read them for a good laugh. Believe them at your own risk.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
41. Too many lies and too much inconsistency for me to believe anything out of the PD.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:31 PM
Aug 2014

All of the eyewitness accounts that have been made are very consistent and do not support the cop narrative.

Fail.

onethatcares

(16,166 posts)
44. all they have to do
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:41 PM
Aug 2014

is publish a transcript and time line of the police radio traffic.

It's really quite simple in this day and age.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
45. Were these people there? Unless it is the following 5:
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:41 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/08/_5_eyewitness_accounts_of_michael_brown_s_shooting.html?google_editors_picks=true

I question their credibility and want them to prove that they were there.
1 - Dorian Johnson - Friend of Victim and was with him during the incident.
2 - Tiffany Mitchell - Employee at a near apartment complex. Corroborates Mr. Johnson's account.
3 - Piaget Crenshaw - Woman in an apartment balcony who saw the incident. Corroborates Mr. Johnson's account.
4 - Emmanuel Freeman - Tweeted about the event immediately after it happened. Saw the shots after initial contact with the officer.
5 - Anonymous Man from Convenience Store - Mentioned that the cop kept shooting even when the Victim raised his hands to give up.

Hopefully they would name themselves, otherwise I feel like these are just guys who say this to muddy the waters.

Important issue is not Michael Brown's character or any of that sort, it is the shooting itself and the use of excessive force.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
47. Old trick
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:12 PM
Aug 2014

Just as the fascists have always done, you do NOT need to PROVE your side, simply muddy the waters. they did it with DDT, lead paint, smoking, global warming and racist shit-mongering cops.

Just 'create doubt' and you then create a divide. If even HALF of Conservatives would stand up against this brutality from police officers, then we could really change this nation, but we CAN'T do it with JUST progressives, considered an ideological faction. Now some Conservatives are racists shitheads who are happy Mike Brown is dead, but there are OTHERS who could be friends in such a cut-and-dried case, but the propaganda won't allow them to critically think about the issues, because they see the "big black Liberal boogeyman" hiding in the corner.

So the mis-information campaign works. The PR company is a full-blown propaganda assault on reality and facts with the hopes to make this all go away so these police state can get back to business as usual.
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
53. Put on leave of absense by the paper (St Louis Dispatch)
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:06 PM
Aug 2014

hmmm... interesting. And she's taking a beating on her twitter account.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
54. must be true! since all those unlikely-to-have-been-seen details match the officers' account!
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:17 PM
Aug 2014

hopefully the feds will weed out the liars from the actual witnesses.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
60. It does differ from "Shot in the back while kneeling and surrendering"
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:35 PM
Aug 2014

It's all a battle of words while the facts are getting their pants on.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
61. By the time they are done Mike Brown will have been made into Ted Bundy, Bin Laden, Zodiac Killer
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:38 PM
Aug 2014

This is a coordinated effort to smear this kid to make sure a very bad cop escapes justice. I wouldn't be surprised if the department has some Republican consultant involved, probably working pro bono out of a sense of dedication to preserving 'Murica the way it "supposed to be".

Fuck them. Fuck them all to hell.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
64. these "witnesses" are here
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:34 PM
Aug 2014

to muddy the waters and set this racist killer up for getting off on this charge. Confuse, convolute, divert.

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