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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:30 PM Aug 2014

Missouri lt. gov.: We need ‘Anglo-American’ justice in Ferguson

Those protesters are all just "crying out" for the leadership of "anglo-american jurisprudence tradition."

Wow. just... wow.


Following Monday night’s clashes with police in the wake of the death of slain teen Michael Brown, Kindler told MSNBC’s Ronan Farrow that Nixon had been wrong to end the curfew in Ferguson.

“I don’t understand an argument for not reinstating it,” he insisted. “I don’t understand that. I’m not trying to be overtly political. I am saying, the people of Ferguson, the people of the state of Missouri are crying out for leadership.”

...

Kinder said there was “no question” that race was playing a role in what was happening in Ferguson.

“We do not do justice in America in the streets though,” he argued. “We have legal processes that are set in motion, that are designed after centuries of Anglo-American jurisprudence tradition, they’re designed to protect the rights and liberties of everyone involved.”

...

“That’s one of the great advances of Anglo-American civilization, is that that we do not have politicized trials. We let the justice system work it out.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/19/missouri-lt-gov-we-need-anglo-american-justice-in-ferguson-not-racial-protests/
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Missouri lt. gov.: We need ‘Anglo-American’ justice in Ferguson (Original Post) phantom power Aug 2014 OP
And here I thought Nixon was bad. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1
Well, to be fair, Nixon has a Republican lt. gov. nt alp227 Aug 2014 #8
Holyfuckingshit. Rex Aug 2014 #2
He may have meant US law origins in English law... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #13
Yeah I am really starting to wonder about that states leaders. Rex Aug 2014 #20
Turns out the Lt Gov is a repuke.... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #41
I just looked that up, yuck a repuke... Rex Aug 2014 #42
After that comment, Kindling is probably closest to correct. Thor_MN Aug 2014 #81
Racist KKK State billhicks76 Aug 2014 #86
it's an interesting dog whistle 0rganism Aug 2014 #29
Agree! get the red out Aug 2014 #51
There is absolutely no way he wasn't using that oddball phrase in a racist context phantom power Aug 2014 #30
MAYBE, but he could have left out the "Anglo-American" and it would have still been clear. sir pball Aug 2014 #36
Especially since the phrase "WHITE Anglo-Saxon Protestant" is such a tblue37 Aug 2014 #82
Tone deaf, at the VERY least. cyberswede Aug 2014 #3
Every time I think it's me, you guys . . . madashelltoo Aug 2014 #4
It was Anglo-American law that gave us Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #11
The Anglo-American tradition, especially starting with the Magna Carta tritsofme Aug 2014 #72
Ah--But the tradition started before the Magna Carta. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #73
Magna Carta was 1215. tritsofme Aug 2014 #75
Common Law began under the Anglo-Saxon Kings... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #85
WTF? Goddamn, are all elected Dems in MO that fucking stupid? HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #5
Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder is a Republican, actually. nt alp227 Aug 2014 #6
Gov/Lt Gov don't run on same ticket? HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #17
Oh, that explains it. I'm glad he's not a Democrat for if he were he'd be an embarrassment to Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #22
It says something about the people who voted for them that they're that stupid. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #12
Maybe they're not stupid! atreides1 Aug 2014 #52
He's a Republican, which is why he has been publicly and vehemently attacking tblue37 Aug 2014 #83
Nixon made the Democratic Party look bad. Laelth Aug 2014 #7
JESUS H. DOGWHISTLE! We need a return of "Worst Person in the World". bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #9
Exactly. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #16
I can just hear one of Keith Olbermann's special comments now . . . Brigid Aug 2014 #61
Well MSNBC didn't approve of "Worst Person in the World". Enthusiast Aug 2014 #80
Don't forget Martin. grasswire Aug 2014 #88
Oh, yes. I had forgotten Martin. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #92
What the hell is this idiot babbling about? eShirl Aug 2014 #10
WTF does he even mean? Common law vs civil? leftstreet Aug 2014 #14
It's 21st century dog-whistle for White Man's Burden phantom power Aug 2014 #15
Guess he's the new face of it leftstreet Aug 2014 #18
That mentality has no place in 21st Century American Government. calimary Aug 2014 #23
+1 Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #28
They don't even try to hide it anymore Marrah_G Aug 2014 #19
What bothered me alongside this was - the white mayor of majority black Ferguson ran for office calimary Aug 2014 #21
Safe bet that any non-white opposition would be quietly "discouraged" phantom power Aug 2014 #32
The racist cops probably arrested or threatened any opponent. toddwv Aug 2014 #90
*facepalm* derby378 Aug 2014 #24
Anglo-American Justice Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #25
This song is dedicated to Mr Kinder... kwolf68 Aug 2014 #26
That crud is why there are problems there. Hoyt Aug 2014 #27
Too bad General George Armstrong Custer isn't around to subdue the hostiles aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #31
If he is a lawyer, he was talking about the court system. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #33
You have to understand,they don't try to hide it!! janlyn Aug 2014 #34
The northland is really bad in MO loyalsister Aug 2014 #66
A racist Republican, no surprise there LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #35
Guys--you're just off-base on this one. It's a reference to the root of American law Romulox Aug 2014 #37
He just said it in the most race baiting way possible. Rex Aug 2014 #38
Just google "Anglo-American law". It's common parlance among lawyers and other legal types. Romulox Aug 2014 #39
Actually if you look upthread, that is exactly what I said too. Rex Aug 2014 #40
Those he's talking to don't know. He could have just said "American" and no one, JoePhilly Aug 2014 #63
That kinda was my point. Or said 'tort laws', 'reform', etc.. Rex Aug 2014 #64
Yup. If he knows the various terms available, he certainly knows when they might be ... JoePhilly Aug 2014 #69
Correct. But he shouldn't do interviews without a handler leftstreet Aug 2014 #45
No doubt, but it's rather like repeatedly saying "Our Arabic numeral heritage" in a conversation phantom power Aug 2014 #47
No. That's not right. "Anglo-American" means "English and American". Romulox Aug 2014 #55
Hindu-Arabic.... xocet Aug 2014 #79
Whether or not it's the generally-accepted term in the legal profession mac56 Aug 2014 #62
The one that codified slavery of non "Anglo-Americans"? That Anglo American law? jtuck004 Aug 2014 #91
kwolf dedicated a song to this wanker, I'm going to give Kindler a poem. Chan790 Aug 2014 #43
Words fail. n/t wandy Aug 2014 #44
Centuries of "Anglo-American jurisprudence tradition" included slavery Lt. Gov. Idiot. nt TeamPooka Aug 2014 #46
Translation: Gimme that reliable whitey justice, Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #48
BULLSHIT!!!!!! heaven05 Aug 2014 #49
“We do not do justice in America in the streets though,” 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #50
Lt Gov Kinder (R), not Gov Nixon (D). HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #56
My mistake. Thank You n/t 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #67
No prob. Been confused myself, trying to follow all the players. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #70
Beats Franco-American anything jberryhill Aug 2014 #53
This needs more attention. rwheeler31 Aug 2014 #54
Finally we can put to rest ANY doubt that racism is alive and well in America randys1 Aug 2014 #57
No doubt here. nt HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #58
We need VA_Jill Aug 2014 #59
Anglo-American justice? No. Corruption. burnsei sensei Aug 2014 #60
This at least gives a partial answer to the question . . . MrModerate Aug 2014 #65
Hard to miss the code in that one Android3.14 Aug 2014 #68
It would be a step up from the current marsupial justice. hobbit709 Aug 2014 #71
I am a bit confused by the outrage...I can't speak to this man's intent. tritsofme Aug 2014 #74
He could have just said 'law' or 'courts' or 'justice' leftstreet Aug 2014 #78
WTF? I am completely speechless after seeing that n/t albino65 Aug 2014 #76
I don't even know what this means mcar Aug 2014 #77
Bigoted, hateful ass. merrily Aug 2014 #84
Spoken like a low-profile low-life with plans to run for Governor next term. TheDebbieDee Aug 2014 #87
I remember watching that. toddwv Aug 2014 #89
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. Holyfuckingshit.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:36 PM
Aug 2014

Are they not trying to hide it anymore...or are they just that fucking stupid/racist? I mean only my dumbest braincell is telling me he meant tort law/reform...but no, probably not.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
13. He may have meant US law origins in English law...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:43 PM
Aug 2014

... but he sure is tone deaf, b/c it sounds like a racist dog whistle. He's pretty fucking stupid to go there, intended or not.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. Yeah I am really starting to wonder about that states leaders.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:47 PM
Aug 2014

WTF are they doing? I guess the feds will have to handle this situation...it seems everyone else it trying to see how offensive they can be to the public.

You would THINK detaining reporters without reason, would be big news to some...and yet they remain completely silent. I find that interesting.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
41. Turns out the Lt Gov is a repuke....
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

...which explains the racist dog whistle. I had assumed he was a Dem like the Gov (albeit a really stupid one).... apparently in MO the Gov and Lt Gov are elected separately.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. I just looked that up, yuck a repuke...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:33 PM
Aug 2014

plus they got his name wrong! LOL. His website says Peter Kinder, not Kindler. Then again it is rawstory.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
86. Racist KKK State
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:42 PM
Aug 2014

But make no mistake. It's the same logic Israel used against the Palestinians in Gaza. And the National Guard had been asked before if they are willing to kill Americans. The first step is always to dehumanize them. This is getting ugly. We may end up with a little Hitler in the next few years if we don't clamp down on these racist scumbags now.

0rganism

(23,937 posts)
29. it's an interesting dog whistle
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:58 PM
Aug 2014

usually a republican politician will claim that American jurisprudence is rooted in the Bible, specifically Old Testament edicts. but this time, he actually refers, more correctly imho, to the English common law tradition. i'm pretty sure this is meant for the straight-up racists, since it's not the standard right-wing bible thumping crap.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
30. There is absolutely no way he wasn't using that oddball phrase in a racist context
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:01 PM
Aug 2014

And that goes double if you combine it with his comments about "crying out for leadership"

hmm... where have we heard these two ideas together before? "Anglo American" (aka Great Britain) + "crying out for leadership" (aka lawless savages)...

sir pball

(4,741 posts)
36. MAYBE, but he could have left out the "Anglo-American" and it would have still been clear.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:20 PM
Aug 2014

It reads just as well to me this way: "We have legal processes that are set in motion, that are designed after centuries of our jurisprudence tradition, they’re designed to protect the rights and liberties of everyone involved…That’s one of the great advances of our civilization, is that that we do not have politicized trials. We let the justice system work it out.”

I do generally tend toward's Hanlon's Razor, never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but this one gets to where Stretch Armstrong would be hard-put to go with the latter..

tblue37

(65,273 posts)
82. Especially since the phrase "WHITE Anglo-Saxon Protestant" is such a
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:22 PM
Aug 2014

familiar and widely used label that it has its own commonly recognized initialism: WASP.

madashelltoo

(1,696 posts)
4. Every time I think it's me, you guys . . .
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:38 PM
Aug 2014

I saw this interview yesterday and it made me sick. He repeated that Anglo-American line over and over and it means what? Who was he signaling? The Anglo-American judicial system is what has brought us to this point. They have no respect for anyone who is not Anglo-American (whatever the hell that means). Not many people in America are actually Anglo-American. No. Not even the ones who profess to be. That story ain't flying and the Mayflower sank in the ocean because it had millions of passengers.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. It was Anglo-American law that gave us
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:42 PM
Aug 2014

slavery.

Divine Right of Kings.

Suffrage limited to white men of property.

The White Man's Burden. (Which, of course, was mostly carried by dark-skinned people.)

Etc.

tritsofme

(17,373 posts)
72. The Anglo-American tradition, especially starting with the Magna Carta
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:39 PM
Aug 2014

was a direct challenge to the divine right of kings. Limited suffrage began to replace absolute rule. It was somewhere to start.

tritsofme

(17,373 posts)
75. Magna Carta was 1215.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:54 PM
Aug 2014

Not sure what the distinctly "Anglo" legal tradition was prior to that, being but 150 years removed from William the Conqueror, I don't suspect much. We might not judge the Magna Carta's accomplishments as much by today's standards, but it served as the cradle of constitutionalism in the Anglosphere.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
85. Common Law began under the Anglo-Saxon Kings...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:39 PM
Aug 2014

... based on remnants of Roman Law. The Magna Carta sought to limit the King's power, and increase the Earls' power. It was nullified with blessings of the Pope, then reinstated, and struggled over back and forth until a defined Parliment was established, with control over the checkbook.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. WTF? Goddamn, are all elected Dems in MO that fucking stupid?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:39 PM
Aug 2014

Nixon, and this dumbshit,... they aren't helping.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Gov/Lt Gov don't run on same ticket?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:45 PM
Aug 2014

Okay, him being a repuke explains the racist dog whistles.

Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
22. Oh, that explains it. I'm glad he's not a Democrat for if he were he'd be an embarrassment to
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:48 PM
Aug 2014

all Democrats.

tblue37

(65,273 posts)
83. He's a Republican, which is why he has been publicly and vehemently attacking
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:24 PM
Aug 2014

the Democratic governor he serves under.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
80. Well MSNBC didn't approve of "Worst Person in the World".
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:16 PM
Aug 2014

Or Olbermann, anti-war Phil Donohue and Cenk.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
92. Oh, yes. I had forgotten Martin.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 04:34 AM
Aug 2014

I didn't always agree with Martin, but more often than not his opinion was similar to my own. Not that I expect TV journalists to agree with me on everything—that would be unrealistic.

There is no remaining free and fair media in the USA. The bad guys® could never have accomplished their aims, as they have, if we had protected our media.

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
14. WTF does he even mean? Common law vs civil?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:43 PM
Aug 2014

Did he fail to explain himself, or was that just a soundbite dog whistle?

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
18. Guess he's the new face of it
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:47 PM
Aug 2014


I don't what he meant, but he's a moron for using that term in an interview

calimary

(81,192 posts)
23. That mentality has no place in 21st Century American Government.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:48 PM
Aug 2014

Especially with the changing demographics in this country.

calimary

(81,192 posts)
21. What bothered me alongside this was - the white mayor of majority black Ferguson ran for office
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:47 PM
Aug 2014

UNOPPOSED? There was NO ONE to run against him? I would love to see someone of the majority community step forward as a candidate. The citizens of Ferguson are NOT well-served OR well-represented by the team in place now.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
90. The racist cops probably arrested or threatened any opponent.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:22 PM
Aug 2014

That whole system is dirty and it's going to be nearly impossible to clean...

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
26. This song is dedicated to Mr Kinder...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:54 PM
Aug 2014

'Merican (Descendents)

we flipped our finger to the king of england
stole our country from the indians
with god on our side and guns in our hands
we took it for our own
a nation dedicated to liberty
justice and equality
does it look that way to you
it doesn't look that way to me
sickest joke i know

[chorus]
listen up man, i'll tell you who i am
just another stupid american
you don't wanna listen
you don't wanna understand
so finish up your drink and go home

i come from the land of ben franklin,
twain and poe and walt whitman
otis redding, ellington
the country that i love
but it's a land of the slaves and the ku klux klan
haymarket riot and the great depression
joe mccarthy vietnam
sickest joke i know

[chorus]

i'm proud and ashamed
every fourth of july
you've got to know the truth
before you say that you've got pride

now the cops got tanks but the kids got guns
shrinks pushin' pills on everyone
cancer from the ocean
cancer from the sun
straight to hell we go

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
31. Too bad General George Armstrong Custer isn't around to subdue the hostiles
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:02 PM
Aug 2014

and teach them the meaning of Anglo-American law and order.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
33. If he is a lawyer, he was talking about the court system.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:09 PM
Aug 2014

The United States got its court system and rights in court based on the English law. Especially in real property, you have to read English cases from the 1200s about basic rights of landholders. A few tort cases are quite old as well.

If that's what he meant, it's going to get misinterpreted.

Or maybe it was a dog whistle.

It means criminal defendants have rights like: the presumption of innocence, the right to not take the stand and thereby not incriminate yourself, the right to confront your accusers, the right to counsel if you cannot afford counsel in a criminal case (Gideon v. Wainwright) and others. It is the whole judicial process starting with the filing of a criminal complaint and the convening of a grand jury and presenting evidence to a grand jury.

janlyn

(735 posts)
34. You have to understand,they don't try to hide it!!
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:09 PM
Aug 2014

My dad was from KC my aunt and uncle still live there. I went to visit them last year after my dad passed away. I live in northwest Arkansas
and the farther north I went the more uncomfortable I became. Clearly anti democratic and blatant racist billboards whereever l went. I did not see a single person who was not white during my visit. What astounded me was that there was no mingling of races like in Arkansas and other places in the south. It scared the shit out of me!! All I could think was, thank goodness I rented a car and didn't bring my own. I truly believe my bumper stickers woukd have made me a target.

They REALLY. DON'T. CARE!!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
66. The northland is really bad in MO
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:30 PM
Aug 2014

Jesse James is glorified with a museum in Liberty and a yearly parade in Kearney.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
35. A racist Republican, no surprise there
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:13 PM
Aug 2014

The asshole is probably gearing up for a run for Governor after Nixon, who is term limited.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
37. Guys--you're just off-base on this one. It's a reference to the root of American law
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:21 PM
Aug 2014

in English common law, specifically including the jury system and the "innocent until proven guilty" standard.

I don't vouch for the speaker in any way, but this lawschool 101 stuff.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
39. Just google "Anglo-American law". It's common parlance among lawyers and other legal types.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:27 PM
Aug 2014

I understand where you're coming from, but there is no reason to double down on a mistake. I'm not going to argue about it with you though.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
40. Actually if you look upthread, that is exactly what I said too.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

SO really fighting about it would be pointless if we both agree on something. YOU might know what it means and I might know what it means...but that doesn't mean he DID!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
63. Those he's talking to don't know. He could have just said "American" and no one,
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

including those who know the alternative phrasing, would have blinked.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
64. That kinda was my point. Or said 'tort laws', 'reform', etc..
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:29 PM
Aug 2014

I just have a hard time giving the GOP the benefit of the doubt. English Common Law. Common Law. So many better ways to say it!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
69. Yup. If he knows the various terms available, he certainly knows when they might be ...
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:32 PM
Aug 2014

... misunderstood as well.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
47. No doubt, but it's rather like repeatedly saying "Our Arabic numeral heritage" in a conversation
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:40 PM
Aug 2014

Yes, our legal system has an Anglo American heritage. But we generally get by just fine by saying "our legal system" or some such. Because it's not like there's some other legal system under consideration. Like we say "numbers" and not "numerals of Arabic heritage."

When you say "Ferguson is crying out for leadership" from "Anglo-American jurisprudence" that is - literally - synonyms for "protestors crying out for leadership from Great Britiain."

White Man's Burden.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
55. No. That's not right. "Anglo-American" means "English and American".
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:17 PM
Aug 2014

It doesn't mean "protestors crying out for leadership from Great Britain." It means the system of trial by a jury of one's peers that developed from English common law.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
79. Hindu-Arabic....
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:13 PM
Aug 2014
Indian numerals

One of the important sources of information which we have about Indian numerals comes from al-Biruni. During the 1020s al-Biruni made several visits to India. Before he went there al-Biruni already knew of Indian astronomy and mathematics from Arabic translations of some Sanskrit texts. In India he made a detailed study of Hindu philosophy and he also studied several branches of Indian science and mathematics. Al-Biruni wrote 27 works on India and on different areas of the Indian sciences. In particular his account of Indian astronomy and mathematics is a valuable contribution to the study of the history of Indian science. Referring to the Indian numerals in a famous book written about 1030 he wrote:-

Whilst we use letters for calculation according to their numerical value, the Indians do not use letters at all for arithmetic. And just as the shape of the letters that they use for writing is different in different regions of their country, so the numerical symbols vary.

It is reasonable to ask where the various symbols for numerals which al-Biruni saw originated. Historians trace them all back to the Brahmi numerals which came into being around the middle of the third century BC. Now these Brahmi numerals were not just symbols for the numbers between 1 and 9. The situation is much more complicated for it was not a place-value system so there were symbols for many more numbers. Also there were no special symbols for 2 and 3, both numbers being constructed from the symbol for 1.

...

http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/HistTopics/Indian_numerals.html

mac56

(17,566 posts)
62. Whether or not it's the generally-accepted term in the legal profession
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:23 PM
Aug 2014

it won't be perceived that way. Tone-deaf, at the VERY least.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
91. The one that codified slavery of non "Anglo-Americans"? That Anglo American law?
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 10:20 PM
Aug 2014

Sounds like something white guys would laugh at in a locker room.

And while I realize it may be law school 101, I am guessing it used to be law school 101 that no black people could not sit in that school either.

Things change and they need to. Maybe this is one.


 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
43. kwolf dedicated a song to this wanker, I'm going to give Kindler a poem.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:33 PM
Aug 2014

Not that it's not an awesome song...but Langston Hughes' Let America be America Again is so damning of his mindset that its inclusion struck me as necessary as-well.

Let America be America Again

Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.&quot

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!

Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
48. Translation: Gimme that reliable whitey justice,
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:45 PM
Aug 2014

which just happens to be the source of the inequality in our criminal and court system.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
50. “We do not do justice in America in the streets though,”
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:54 PM
Aug 2014

Is he for real?

1. They're asking for justice
2. They have a 1st amendment right to do so
3. His goon squad have no problem being judge, jury and execution on the streets which is why people are protesting to begin with.

What a sack of crap but I shouldnt expect much from a "Nixon".

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
56. Lt Gov Kinder (R), not Gov Nixon (D).
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:17 PM
Aug 2014

although Nixon does appear to be a clueless moron... at least so far. It appears that in addition to voter registration drives and gotv efforts, MO also needs some good Dem cadidates to vote for.

rwheeler31

(6,242 posts)
54. This needs more attention.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:15 PM
Aug 2014

Missouri has an awful republican legislature, this Lt. Gov. is representative of the rural areas. The state is a victim of severe gerr
ymandering.

burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
60. Anglo-American justice? No. Corruption.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:20 PM
Aug 2014

The authorities in Missouri have been corrupted by power.
They should be treated as all corrupt regimes are treated-- they should be overthrown by a vote of no-confidence.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
65. This at least gives a partial answer to the question . . .
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:30 PM
Aug 2014

"How low can they go?"

And useful input to the corollary, "How stupid are these people?"

tritsofme

(17,373 posts)
74. I am a bit confused by the outrage...I can't speak to this man's intent.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:44 PM
Aug 2014

But using the term "Anglo-American" to describe the structure and root of our system of law, is well...correct.

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
78. He could have just said 'law' or 'courts' or 'justice'
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 06:13 PM
Aug 2014

Whatever

He makes it sound like a desperate appeal to return to a system of law that's...uh, already in place. If he wasn't such a moron he'd realize the protestors want JUSTICE within the Anglo-American legal framework

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
87. Spoken like a low-profile low-life with plans to run for Governor next term.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 07:45 PM
Aug 2014

He needs to grow his campaign egg-nest so he says something styoo-pid that will appeal to the teabaggers.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
89. I remember watching that.
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 09:21 PM
Aug 2014

I thought "Woowwww..." between him, the Police Chief, and Ferguson Mayor Thurston Howell III, you get the vibe that the only thing wrong in Ferguson is that there are too many "colored" people and not enough jail cells.

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