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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:07 AM Aug 2014

If You Think the Water Crisis Can't Get Worse, Wait Until the Aquifers Are Drained

Aquifers provide us freshwater that makes up for surface water lost from drought-depleted lakes, rivers, and reservoirs. We are drawing down these hidden, mostly nonrenewable groundwater supplies at unsustainable rates in the western United States and in several dry regions globally, threatening our future.

We are not as adept when threats—or threatened resources—are invisible. Some of us have trouble realizing why invisible carbon emissions are changing the chemistry of the atmosphere and warming the planet. Because the surface of the sea is all we see, it's difficult to understand that we already have taken most of the large fish from the ocean, diminishing a major source of food. Neither of these crises are visible—they are largely out of sight, out of mind—so it's difficult to get excited and respond. Disappearing groundwater is another out-of-sight crisis.

Groundwater comes from aquifers—spongelike gravel and sand-filled underground reservoirs—and we see this water only when it flows from springs and wells. In the United States we rely on this hidden—and shrinking—water supply to meet half our needs, and as drought shrinks surface water in lakes, rivers, and reservoirs, we rely on groundwater from aquifers even more. Some shallow aquifers recharge from surface water, but deeper aquifers contain ancient water locked in the earth by changes in geology thousands or millions of years ago. These aquifers typically cannot recharge, and once this "fossil" water is gone, it is gone forever—potentially changing how and where we can live and grow food, among other things.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140819-groundwater-california-drought-aquifers-hidden-crisis/

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If You Think the Water Crisis Can't Get Worse, Wait Until the Aquifers Are Drained (Original Post) IDemo Aug 2014 OP
Exactly Esse Quam Videri Aug 2014 #1
"ALLOWING"?? It's called Fascism. Communities cannot defeat corporations. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #7
I'm in No. Cal. and most of the lawns are still green. roody Aug 2014 #12
Spray paint and astroturf businesses are thriving so I've heard. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #19
Resistance is futile ...you will be assimilated! L0oniX Aug 2014 #42
Ground water extraction causes as much sealevel rise as melting glacier and icepacks 4139 Aug 2014 #2
Interesting. I hadn't even considered this as a factor. theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #15
Ditto. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #20
Kick! Agschmid Aug 2014 #3
then the snowball effect.. iamthebandfanman Aug 2014 #4
Agreed. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #21
Only those who can afford to do so. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #53
Kicking. Thank you, IDemo. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #5
I love steak but crops used to support meat and ethanol consumption IMO are... L0oniX Aug 2014 #11
There are other farming methods that are not as littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #16
Who's this "you"? I can so think, and do. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #6
It's obvious population control is a source of the problem mackerel Aug 2014 #8
Water used for crops not vital to survival is surmount. L0oniX Aug 2014 #10
Source? redqueen Aug 2014 #27
It is, none want to hear it or admit it ... but in a finite space, one can not RKP5637 Aug 2014 #28
Bingo! If we, as a species, were not trying to populate every square inch of this planet, BlueJazz Aug 2014 #29
It's obvious First World citizens use the lion's share of the earth's resources, raccoon Aug 2014 #43
Are you volunteering? Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #50
I did. raven mad Aug 2014 #62
Drinkable water is THE most vital resource. L0oniX Aug 2014 #9
Yep, forget oil, now drinkable water will be held hostage for $$$$$. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #30
We'll be at war with Michigan, Wisconsin and Canada soon. L0oniX Aug 2014 #33
...FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS111!!!11 corkhead Aug 2014 #37
Shouldn't that be "cold wet hands"? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #39
There are more states than that bordering the Great Lakes. Pathwalker Aug 2014 #45
Do you really want post Detroit/Chicago water? I'm thinking Lake Superior. L0oniX Aug 2014 #47
That WOULD start a war. I don't know about other states, but we Pathwalker Aug 2014 #48
drip irrigation NJCher Aug 2014 #13
you can't drip irrigate corn, soy, wheat, etc KurtNYC Aug 2014 #24
corn is a row crop NJCher Aug 2014 #59
Sooner or later, the fossil water will run out. malthaussen Aug 2014 #14
I concur. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #17
AZ Water Resource Dept continues to approve tapping aquifer for golf courses asiliveandbreathe Aug 2014 #18
Aye, lads and lasses - go back to the original golf courses! Divernan Aug 2014 #32
more Go Vols Aug 2014 #22
Interesting. How do you have F4lconF16 Aug 2014 #44
Only the coastal areas get a lot of rain. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #52
I'm still missing something. F4lconF16 Aug 2014 #56
The blue area in southern Idaho is the Snake River aquifer IDemo Aug 2014 #60
That makes sense! F4lconF16 Aug 2014 #61
I grew up in that big red stripey spot Viva_La_Revolution Aug 2014 #54
This one should piss all of us off. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #55
A perfect storm is coming, and water scarcity is going to be a large part of it. EEO Aug 2014 #23
Yes, but the .01% will have their water-making machines (for themselves) valerief Aug 2014 #25
If You Think the Social Crisis Can't Get Worse... HoosierCowboy Aug 2014 #26
Yep! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #31
They'll make GMO foods that require less water. n/t Calista241 Aug 2014 #34
There's been a dream for years of a transcontinental aqueduct... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #35
Water making it to the sea doesn't mean it's excess IDemo Aug 2014 #36
Even when we see this... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #38
Flood waters are neither predictable nor easily harvested IDemo Aug 2014 #40
We already DO a lot of that mostly to back up water into rural areas to protect urban areas.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #41
Paraguay. BFEE's way ahead of us... Octafish Aug 2014 #46
California does not even bother to regulate groundwater! KamaAina Aug 2014 #49
These are insane policies that we are going to regret in a very short amount of time. CrispyQ Aug 2014 #57
More desalination? madville Aug 2014 #51
Somebody mentioned to me earlier in the week that they're seriously considering a desalinization mackerel Aug 2014 #58

Esse Quam Videri

(685 posts)
1. Exactly
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:40 AM
Aug 2014

Incredible that many (if not all) of the communities that rely on these deep aquifers are still allowing fracking.

4139

(1,893 posts)
2. Ground water extraction causes as much sealevel rise as melting glacier and icepacks
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:43 AM
Aug 2014

Groundwater Depletion Linked to Rising Sea Levels
Large-scale groundwater extraction for irrigation, drinking water or industry has resulted in an annual rise in sea levels of approximately 0.8mm - this works out at one quarter of total annual sea-level rise (3.1mm). The remaining total can be attributed to thermal expansion (50%) and run off from glaciers and ice caps (25% approx.).
http://www.waterworld.com/articles/2010/11/groundwater-depletion-linked-to-rising.html

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
4. then the snowball effect..
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:56 AM
Aug 2014

as those who lost water move to other locations with a limited source as well.. so then that source fails more quickly.. now all of them move to the next source .. and so on and so forth...

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
53. Only those who can afford to do so.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:34 PM
Aug 2014

Which is yet another reason why many in the 1% want to keep the rest of us poor. They can see the writing on the wall, and it's only human nature to want to keep scarce resources for yourself and those close to you. It would be better for all, though, if they would help instead to move us to ways that help make sure those resources don't become scarce in the first place, such as not polluting our aquifers while trying to become 'energy independent' by fracking for natural gas.

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
5. Kicking. Thank you, IDemo.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:04 AM
Aug 2014

A thoughtful post. I concur we have a problem with this life sustaining necessity.
Fasten your seat belt, could be a bumpy ride.

Love, Peace and Shelter.
~ Lmsp

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
11. I love steak but crops used to support meat and ethanol consumption IMO are...
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:14 AM
Aug 2014

not necessary for survival. The amount of water and land used to grow these kinds of crops is almost obscene.

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
16. There are other farming methods that are not as
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:50 AM
Aug 2014

Detrimental to the water supply. We have been industrialized not only as evidenced by the militarized police but in the loss of connection between ourselves, the land and food. But then land isn't necessary for farming either. Food is fuel. The farm should be a pharmacy.

Ethanol we can process from grass crops.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/grass-makes-better-ethanol-than-corn/

Just me babbling.

Love, Peace and the Righteous Fight.
~ Lmsp

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
8. It's obvious population control is a source of the problem
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:07 AM
Aug 2014

but nobody likes to talk about it here in the U.S.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
10. Water used for crops not vital to survival is surmount.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:10 AM
Aug 2014

Eliminate crops for meat and ethanol consumption ...that will go a very long way to keeping usable water.

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
28. It is, none want to hear it or admit it ... but in a finite space, one can not
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:38 AM
Aug 2014

keep populating and populating ... it's a very simple concept ... but many humans live in and thrive on denial.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
29. Bingo! If we, as a species, were not trying to populate every square inch of this planet,
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:38 AM
Aug 2014

....90 percent of our long term problems would not even exist.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
43. It's obvious First World citizens use the lion's share of the earth's resources,
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 04:27 PM
Aug 2014

but nobody wants to talk about it here in the US, even on DU.


Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
45. There are more states than that bordering the Great Lakes.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 05:10 PM
Aug 2014

Then, there's that Great Lakes Compact thingy....

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
48. That WOULD start a war. I don't know about other states, but we
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 06:50 PM
Aug 2014

Michiganders/Michiganians are very, very possessive about "our" lakes, and the waters within them. I don't see Canadians, as nice as they are, going along with draining the Lakes either, but you're welcome to all our excess snow this winter.

NJCher

(35,648 posts)
13. drip irrigation
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:20 AM
Aug 2014

Should have been implemented a long time ago. Farmers are slow to adopt, but incentives should have been offered. The amount of waste with other forms of irrigation (such as center pivot) is something like 70 per cent lost into the air.

Furthermore, plants thrive with drip irrigation.

In this picture, you can see the air dispersing into the air.



How simple is that? !?!?!?!?


Cher

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
24. you can't drip irrigate corn, soy, wheat, etc
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:10 AM
Aug 2014

only row crops.

Water that goes into the air falls to the ground.

NJCher

(35,648 posts)
59. corn is a row crop
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 11:36 PM
Aug 2014

Hey, 'yer talking to a former Nebraskan. I know center pivot. I grew up around it.

It wouldn't be hard to innovate a drip system to accommodate any type of crop.

I don't believe you're correct about it falling to the ground. I've read otherwise.



Cher

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
14. Sooner or later, the fossil water will run out.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:47 AM
Aug 2014

So conservation efforts are just an attempt to push the inevitable off onto another generation. It would be useful to find some alternatives before the crisis occurs, but people seem to be innately reckless about their use of non-renewable resources.

-- Mal

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
17. I concur.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:56 AM
Aug 2014

But it is difficult to think beyond that horizon of hunger, the hunt and oppression.
Daily struggles often don't allow time to even think.

Interesting post.

~Lmsp

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
18. AZ Water Resource Dept continues to approve tapping aquifer for golf courses
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 09:57 AM
Aug 2014

just this past year AZ WRD approved another well for a golf course - I am on record with our city water dept. as well as the AWRD - why not use "reclaimed" water? (some do, I will say, but not ours) - our city water manager is knowledgeable and on record basically saying "we may not have a crisis yet, but is just a matter of time - she (city water manager) doesn't have any power over the state...I just say "HELLO" - is anyone listening?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
32. Aye, lads and lasses - go back to the original golf courses!
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
Aug 2014

When roughs were really roughs, golfers carried their own clubs and didn't ride in golf carts, and the greens were not watered and manicured to have the consistency of green velvet.

A few years ago, the World Water Forum designated the US as the most wasteful water user in the world. And the key reason given for this liquid licentiousness? No, not all those super-sized sodas. Not the profligacy of back-garden swimming pools. Not leaving taps on during lengthy teeth-whitening sessions. No, the key culprit was golf.

Keeping 25,000-odd golf courses pristine green, particularly those out in the desert, requires a lot of water. And a lot of pesticides, too. The view from the air as you fly into Las Vegas is peppered with splodges of neon green courses. That's not natural. A golf course manager can use more pesticides on his land than a farmer. You may not eat a golf course, but the run-off into rivers and the leakage into the soil can be hugely problematic.

Then there are all the motorised golf carts, plastic balls mishit into woods and off cliffs into the sea, and the fact that few courses are well connected with public transport - the sight of a golfer on a bus with his clubs must be rarer than a round of hole-in-ones. It all adds up to an uncomfortable dilemma for the golf-loving green worker. If your happiness, your business deals or your stress management relies on a regular round of golf, what can you do?

Firstly, choose your course wisely. A course designed and managed with respect for the natural environment can actually have ecological benefits, such as providing natural wildlife habitats and corridors in or around urbanised areas. While there is no recognised green label for golf courses, hundreds in England and Scotland have signed up to national initiatives such as Golf Environment Europe to improve their environmental impact. Ask your local course about its green policy, and if the manager looks at you like you are a mad, woolly leftie who needs chasing away with a nine iron, consider taking your checked trousers elsewhere.

If you are heading off on a business trip somewhere hot and dry - such as Las Vegas - then think twice about packing your clubs. At least in the UK we have lots of rain to help keep the fairways green, but in countries such as Spain or Dubai golf courses can often use more water than a small town.

To ease your emissions that little bit extra, decline the golf cart and get some exercise, and pack some biodegradable golf balls and environmentally friendly tees.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ethicallivingblog/2008/aug/03/golfswaterwastemeansonlyt

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
44. Interesting. How do you have
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 05:07 PM
Aug 2014

negative groundwater depletion in the Pacific NW? I'm sure the answer is obvious but I'm missing something here.

Thanks for the chart!

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
56. I'm still missing something.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:43 PM
Aug 2014

I know the coast is wetter (been rained on enough that I figured it out ), but I still don't get the negative groundwater depletion. Does that mean groundwater has increased in those areas? As in filled in again? Or does it mean something else entirely?

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
60. The blue area in southern Idaho is the Snake River aquifer
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 11:43 PM
Aug 2014

It has historically received "recharging" via drainage from the extensive irrigation system fed by the Snake River.

more -> http://academic.emporia.edu/schulmem/hydro/TERM%20PROJECTS/Geller/Eastern%20Snake%20River%20Plain%20Aquifer.html

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
54. I grew up in that big red stripey spot
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:35 PM
Aug 2014

NE corner of Colorado..
Growing up our water tasted so pure, we would pack 5 gallon tanks of it to take up to the mountain cabin cause the water in Fort Collins tasted worse.
Now, everyone in town has to filter the water, it's horrible.. so laced with minerals that it's undrinkable and it ruins coffee pots and dishwashers. All the good water is gone and they're drinking the dregs of the aquifer.
I'm 45 now, and the water was fine when I left in my 20's. It makes me so sad.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
25. Yes, but the .01% will have their water-making machines (for themselves)
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:26 AM
Aug 2014

and will still be wealthy from fracking. That's all that matters in this world. If it weren't, there'd be more sharing.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
35. There's been a dream for years of a transcontinental aqueduct...
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 11:12 AM
Aug 2014

The West could be a garden with the excess water from the East.

And before someone says there is no "excess water",...oh sure,...none of the fresh water from the Mississippi makes it to the sea.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
36. Water making it to the sea doesn't mean it's excess
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 11:26 AM
Aug 2014

That argument was brought up in the early 90's by a Los Angeles politican who proposed an aqueduct from the Snake/Columbia river system to supply California's water needs. His reasoning was that water was "wasted" if any remained at the mouth of the Columbia. He was promptly corrected.

Besides the fact that migrating fish rely on the flow of water to make it from the ocean to spawning grounds and allow their offspring to make the reverse voyage, a certain minimum flow is necessary to maintain cooler temps and oxygen levels in the water.

Rivers also serve to replenish ground water and to supply the populations surrounding them with drinking and agricultural water. Any water management official would take vigorous exception to the notion of 'wasted water'.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
40. Flood waters are neither predictable nor easily harvested
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 11:58 AM
Aug 2014

Do we want to spend billions on constructing the ditches, pipelines, canals and pumping stations to gather water that cannot be relied on to be in the same place or in the same quantity from year to year? While there is no argument that a significant amount of water exists at any given instance of flooding, it doesn't reliably find itself flowing into major (or even minor) river systems. And even if we did build pipelines East to West, it takes an enormous amount of energy to move that water, energy which would be better used for desalination.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
49. California does not even bother to regulate groundwater!
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:24 PM
Aug 2014

You find it, it's yours. You can even bottle it and sell it back East if you'd like, just like Nestle does.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025243385

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025367256

CrispyQ

(36,449 posts)
57. These are insane policies that we are going to regret in a very short amount of time.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 10:37 PM
Aug 2014

Our species is barreling toward a brick wall & we are partying like it's 1999, confident that our big brain will solve all our problems. It's our big brain that got us into this mess. I don't see a happy outcome for humanity.

madville

(7,408 posts)
51. More desalination?
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:27 PM
Aug 2014

They should be building more desalination plants up and down the California coast to prepare for when the traditional water runs out over there. Hopefully they can do it with primarily solar and wind energy.

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
58. Somebody mentioned to me earlier in the week that they're seriously considering a desalinization
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 11:00 PM
Aug 2014

plant in San Diego, similar to what they have in Israel.

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