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Galraedia

(5,022 posts)
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 08:31 PM Aug 2014

Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary: Beheading of James Foley clues point to British rapper?

A British rapper is a suspect in the beheading of American journalist James Foley. Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, 24, posted a picture of himself holding a severed head a few weeks back and it is now believed he could be the man all dressed in black with his face covered beheading Foley on that video, according to TMZ on Aug. 23.

Reports indicate that “John the Beatle,” is a nickname that former ISIS hostages dubbed Bary because of his British accent. This is a guy whose rap songs were played on BBC radio. Bary was raised in a million dollar home that was owned by Maida Vale council.

This rapper’s father, Adel Abdul Bary, is a high-profile Al Qaeda terror suspect. He was accused of masterminding the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in East Africa. He was extradited to the U.S. in 2012 to face the allegations of masterminding those bombings, according to the Canada Journal today.

One of the former ISIS hostages said that Foley’s killer was a leader of a group that consists of four British Jihadists. The group is known to the ISIS as “The Beatles” and they are said to be the men who guard the foreign hostages. These men with the British accents are considered the main guards for the hostages coming from a foreign country.

Read more: http://www.examiner.com/article/abdel-majed-abdel-bary-beheading-of-james-foley-video-points-to-british-rapper

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Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary: Beheading of James Foley clues point to British rapper? (Original Post) Galraedia Aug 2014 OP
so DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #1
Interesting. Could be? Duer 157099 Aug 2014 #2
Look at the corner of his left eye. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #3
Here's hoping... Triple_Threat Aug 2014 #5
He'll get his. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #17
they need to be very careful with these kind of ID's Skittles Aug 2014 #8
he looks like a douche JI7 Aug 2014 #14
Soon to be a dead one. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #19
How can he sleep at night? Roast in hell. 840high Aug 2014 #4
His rap nickname was "L Jinn" brentspeak Aug 2014 #6
the story of the father reorg Aug 2014 #7
Guy looks like Ali G. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Aug 2014 #10
K :( Cha Aug 2014 #11
Or as the Daily Mail put it, "BBC Rapper" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #12
What a tough guy. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #15
wasn't there some American rapper JI7 Aug 2014 #13
I wonder--did anyone read the article? It looks as though this guy was radicalized by tblue37 Aug 2014 #16
The father wasn't "unjustly arrested" brentspeak Aug 2014 #18
According to the article, the family was not financially comfortable at all, tblue37 Aug 2014 #21
Rap and Islamic terrorism? NuclearDem Aug 2014 #20

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
1. so
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 08:59 PM
Aug 2014

this kid was raised in prviledge, and wants to seek glory. Mohammed, peace be upon him, probaly would have rejected the lout.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
6. His rap nickname was "L Jinn"
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:01 AM
Aug 2014

"Jinn"..."John". Seems more than a coincidence. And he has already previously taken a photo of himself holding a decapitated head.

But even if he doesn't turn out to be James Foley's killer, he should be considered dog-meat, anyway.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
7. the story of the father
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:09 AM
Aug 2014

and the upbringing of the "rapper" sounds a little different here:

Life as the spouse of a suspected al-Qaida terrorist
Victoria Brittain

... Adel left for the US, and then later the UK. He had finished his degree in prison and was soon a well-known human-rights lawyer; he had strong contacts with Amnesty International in those years when arrests in Egypt of suspected opposition figures were in the thousands. In 1990, Adel gained refugee status in the UK, three years after he had arrived. Ragaa and the children joined him, and for five years they lived a quiet family life in London. Ragaa spoke little English, only went out occasionally, always with her husband and his friends and their wives. "He did everything, everything, for me and the kids here in London," she says. "And I was happy because he was with me, playing with the kids, taking us to the park – it was the normal life we never had in Egypt."

In the summer of 1998, al-Qaida blew up the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 220 people and wounding nearly 5,000. It ended that normal life in London. There was a dawn raid by British police in white contamination suits, brandishing truncheons and breaking down the front door. Ragaa and the children were traumatised. A dozen or so men were suddenly in their bedrooms, shouting for her husband, searching the children's clothes, tearing out pages from any books with telephone numbers.

...

When they were finally taken home, she found her house upside down, drawers open, the front door broken and a metal gate across it. "I had absolutely no idea what to do – he was the one who always knew everything," she says. After five days, however, her husband came home and family life resumed, without him discussing what had happened.

The British police found there was no terrorism case to charge Abdul Bary with. He was charged with possession of gas canisters, bailed, and then acquitted in a jury trial. (An official letter from the anti-terrorism police at the time stated that after nine months of exhaustive investigation, they found that he and the other Egyptian men arrested with him had no connection with al-Qaida, nor any connection with terrorism in Britain.)

... His extradition was requested by the US on exactly the same evidence dismissed in Britain the previous year. It had been sent by the UK to the US as part of the great fishing net of shared intelligence in the war on terror. His lawyers began to fight the extradition in a process that soon took on the character of Dickens's Jarndyce v Jarndyce in Bleak House.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/wife-of-alqaida-terrorist-suspect

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
12. Or as the Daily Mail put it, "BBC Rapper"
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:15 AM
Aug 2014


https://twitter.com/LFBarfe/status/500287928413978624

As the tweeter points out, the Mail's anti-BBC agenda is showing just a touch there ... get your music played on the radio and now you're part of the BBC, if the Mail thinks you're disgusting enough.
 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
15. What a tough guy.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:23 AM
Aug 2014

Shove a hellfire missile up his a$$ and see how tough he is.

Like DisgustipatedinCA SAID...

" I also wouldn't mind us bombing the everlivingfuck out of these people."

JI7

(89,247 posts)
13. wasn't there some American rapper
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:25 AM
Aug 2014

Who joined some terror group also. I think he ended up being killed.

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
16. I wonder--did anyone read the article? It looks as though this guy was radicalized by
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 02:16 PM
Aug 2014

the way his father was unfairly swept up in the anti-Muslim hysteria following the bombing of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. From that point on, the family's life was made a living hell by persecution.

Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary's father, who had been in and out of prison in Egypt and continually tortured there, was a human rights lawyer in Egypt, associated with Amnesty International. He eventually managed to win refugee status in Egypt for himself and his family, and they lived there happily for 5 years.

But the the embassy bombings in 1998 led to the sweeping arrest of innumerable innocent Muslim men. The family's home was tossed by the cops, looking for evidence that the father might somehow be connected to al-Quaida, or to the bombings, and his father was arrested. That first time the father was arrested, he was imprisoned for 5 days and then released, with official acknowledgment that he was innocent of all charges:

The British police found there was no terrorism case to charge Abdul Bary with. . . . (An official letter from the anti-terrorism police at the time stated that after nine months of exhaustive investigation, they found that he and the other Egyptian men arrested with him had no connection with al-Qaida, nor any connection with terrorism in Britain <emphasis added>.)

<snip>

In London Adel's work had focused only on his own country, and he ran an office called International Office for the Defence of the Egyptian People. He put out a newsletter on Egyptian affairs, for which Ragaa, while looking after her children, used to write a weekly women's column.

<snip>



Then after his release, the US started going after him--with no more evidence than the British government had found. But unlike the British government, the US didn't care that there was no evidence, since the guy was, after all, a Muslim. Six months after being released, he was rearrested in Britain because of US pressure and demands to have him extradited:

The extradition case would put Adel Abdul Bary on trial with a large number of other defendants whose names were added over the years, charged with general conspiracy to kill Americans and with substantive charges in the east African embassy bombings. Ragaa blanked it out – it was all too frightening to think about. The one concrete thing her husband was on trial for was his possession of a fax sent to him – found in his office weeks after the events – about the bombings of the US's East African embassies. (These faxes were everywhere in the Arab areas of London at the time, handed out in places such as outside the Regents Park and other mosques and sent to news organisations across the world.) This fax – along with the al-Qaida defector Jamal Al Fadl's testimony on Egyptian Islamic Jihad's supposed al-Qaida links – was apparently enough for the Americans to jump to the conclusion that Abdul Bary (never named by Al Fadl) had prior knowledge and responsibility in the bombings <emphasis added>.


After 14 years of fighting extradition, he was extradited to the US in fall of 2012. During this whole time, his wife (the ISIS terrorist's mother) was left at home to raise her 6 children by herself--with no money, no help, no companionship, and no English, and suffering from worsening pain and debilitation caused by serious health problems. Meanwhile, of course, she and her children were all continually subjected to anti-Muslim racism.

ISIS is about as evil as a terrorist group can get--probably right up there with Boko Haram. And if Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary is the guy who murdered James Foley, then he is as vicious as the Boko Haram leader who put out that insane video after the kidnapping of those 200 girls from school.

But this is a familiar type of monster--the type created by growing up in a situation where powerful people and institutions make one's life a living hell.

*The sociopaths in our government and their buddies in the British government can proudly say, "We built that."*

From the time Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary was 8 years old, he has seen his father unjustly arrested, imprisoned, and then extradited to another country (ours), where he will probably spend the rest of his life in prison. Because of his innocent father's imprisonment, this man and his siblings grew up with nothing--often not even enough money for heat in the winter--and watching their mother's suffering, grief, and hopelessness.

He is filled with explosive rage, and that rage is directed at Britain and the US, so he is eager to inflict as much pain as he can on anyone associated with those two countries. He will never feel any human sympathy or compassion towards the people he tortures and kills.

It is certain that by the time they reach the point where they become vicious monsters, such people are irredeemable. But we have to remember how they become so radicalized. This is blowback. This guy and his ilk do not "hate us for our freedoms." They hate us because our government has destroyed their lives and the lives of the people they love.

They are like abused dogs that have become so vicious that they must be put down because they can't be rehabilitated.

But we should never forget how so many of these terrorists became the monsters they are today. Unless we can find a way to stop our governments from destroying the lives of so many innocent people, we are going to have to deal with an endless supply of

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
18. The father wasn't "unjustly arrested"
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:39 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:18 PM - Edit history (1)

His extradition to the US was ultimately approved by the European Court of Human Rights, hardly a right-wing organization out to unfairly target Muslims.

Everything else you typed is ludicrous. This rapper-turned-killer grew up more comfortably than many in England, and the same goes for most of the other Western ISIS recruits, none of had fathers indicted for terrorism offenses.

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
21. According to the article, the family was not financially comfortable at all,
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:20 PM
Aug 2014

and the evidence was too weak for Britain to hold the father.

I don't know whether the European Court of Human Rights is easily swayed by US pressure, but I do know that a lot of Muslims have been imprisoned since 9/11 despite an absence of evidence that they are guilty of anything.

I know that a lot of spoiled brat Western-raised sociopaths do end up joining these terrorist organizations for the thrills and for the opportunity to kill at will. Maybe that really is what this guy is. But the details in the article linked in the OP do seem to suggest that he was radicalized by his fathers arrest and by what the family has gone through since then.

Even if you are right and that is not how he became the monster he clearly is now, such circumstances certainly have radicalized a lot of people who would not otherwise have become terrorists, and we do need to be concerned about how our government's policy choices breed such dangerous and implacable enemies.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
20. Rap and Islamic terrorism?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:11 PM
Aug 2014

Someone check on Fox, I think this erection is going to last way more than four hours.

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