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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:54 AM Aug 2014

Will Forcing Cops to Wear Body Cameras Quell Brutality?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/will-forcing-cops-wear-body-cameras-quell-brutality



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What’s the Best Way to Implement Police Cameras?

Poor implementation of officer body cams can render them useless. A report on the Oakland Police Department, one of the largest law enforcement agencies using the cams, found that officers were refusing to wear or turn on their cameras, especially at critical moments.

That’s why the ACLU only supports the use of police body cameras if the correct policies are in place.

“We just don’t think officers themselves should have the discretion,” said Chris Rickerd, policy counsel for the ACLU in Washington.

While on the one hand, the ACLU doesn't support officers having the control over taping public encounters, Rickerd said, “We recognize that there are private elements to a shift, whether they be discussions at the stationhouse or changing into uniform.”
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Will Forcing Cops to Wear Body Cameras Quell Brutality? (Original Post) xchrom Aug 2014 OP
Yes. Laelth Aug 2014 #1
Kinda like Russia... blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #2
Just say, "No picture, no pay." Downwinder Aug 2014 #3
Dramatically. aquart Aug 2014 #4
changing into a uniform and going to the bathroom are off the clock 2pooped2pop Aug 2014 #5
They (PD) frequently claim that claims of their bad acts are false accusations .... etherealtruth Aug 2014 #6
EVERYTHING is better on camera JJChambers Aug 2014 #7
There should be instances when the camera is on, but... Blanks Aug 2014 #8
Right, and any interaction with the public their camera should be on. valerief Aug 2014 #9
I realize that everyone is angry with cops right now, but... Blanks Aug 2014 #22
i think cameras and microphones are a good way to go... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #10
Agreed! n/t etherealtruth Aug 2014 #11
One worry is that all the video might be public domain...... Logical Aug 2014 #12
excellent point... nt ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #13
All of it uploaded to random but secure servers as encrypted data. randome Aug 2014 #15
But a freedom of information request might release it. nt Logical Aug 2014 #16
"Ongoing police investigation" is already an exception Hosnon Aug 2014 #19
Do more reading...... Logical Aug 2014 #20
Man I find the kind of condescension your posts represents so off putting. Hosnon Aug 2014 #21
Allow people to request the camera be turned off Hosnon Aug 2014 #17
It will certainly lead to a lot of camera malfunctions. malthaussen Aug 2014 #14
Make them WiFi/mobile capable. Hosnon Aug 2014 #18
You could make the camera default to on, JoeyT Aug 2014 #23
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
5. changing into a uniform and going to the bathroom are off the clock
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:37 AM
Aug 2014

activities. So I go with the other poster with No picture, No pay. You turn it off for 15 minutes while you are talking personal crap? That's 15 minutes you don't get paid for.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
6. They (PD) frequently claim that claims of their bad acts are false accusations ....
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:12 AM
Aug 2014

.... one would think this would help them, as well.

Agree completely that officers should not have the discretion to turn off their recording devices

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
7. EVERYTHING is better on camera
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:16 AM
Aug 2014

There will be fewer complaints against officers because people won't submit false complaints, and officers will be better behaved. There will be fewer cases of legitimate police excessive force because officers will know their actions are recorded, and people will be better behaved in the first place.

The most important thing in government, in my opinion, is transparency.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
8. There should be instances when the camera is on, but...
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:34 AM
Aug 2014

It doesn't always need to be on.

When an officer radios in that they are going into an area, or are in pursuit and anytime their gun is unholstered - there should be a recording. The camera should always automatically be activated when their gun is unholstered, but what are they gonna do with millions of hours of donut eating footage?

valerief

(53,235 posts)
9. Right, and any interaction with the public their camera should be on.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:39 AM
Aug 2014

But they deserve some blah-blah-blah bullshitting yap-flapping time with other cops that doesn't need to be recorded--with or without donuts.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
22. I realize that everyone is angry with cops right now, but...
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 04:31 PM
Aug 2014

They still provide a necessary service. I know I wouldn't continue to work somewhere that I was constantly being recorded. If we put too many restrictions in them - we will only have the lowest caliber persons remaining as cops. Perhaps you haven't been around here for all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the NSA surveillance - people don't like being recorded even if they aren't doing anything wrong.

We should have technology that keeps track of their whereabouts and starts recording when they draw their weapon or their night stick and immediately opens communication with headquarters.

The accountability needs to be increased, but there isn't any reason to monitor their every move - that just creates more bullshit to wade through if they have done something wrong. There are bound to be certain things that happen immediately before an incident involving force that can be used to trigger the recording device.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
10. i think cameras and microphones are a good way to go...
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:40 AM
Aug 2014

they are an impartial witness to activities conducted. i also think that if, during any interaction with the public, the camera is not ON that is ground for immediate suspension and possible termination.

sP

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
12. One worry is that all the video might be public domain......
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:44 AM
Aug 2014

do freedom of information requests could be used to obtain any footage. Including some that citizens might not want published. Like a melt down at home, domestic disputes, your son drunk, etc.

Some privacy laws might need to be addressed.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. All of it uploaded to random but secure servers as encrypted data.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:54 AM
Aug 2014

To be obtained and unencrypted only when a judge orders it.
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Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
19. "Ongoing police investigation" is already an exception
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 11:47 AM
Aug 2014

in most sunshine laws. And privacy exceptions would cover home videos, etc.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
21. Man I find the kind of condescension your posts represents so off putting.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:42 PM
Aug 2014

Would you just shove an article at someone in person (you don't know) and say "Do more reading
..."? Tact is very valuable when trying to get a point across (which I assume you are trying to do).

There are concerns with any new technology, but there's no reason to think they cannot be reasonably addressed. I offered two possible solutions that wouldn't require amending most laws as they now exist (based on my experience litigating sunshine laws).

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
17. Allow people to request the camera be turned off
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 11:43 AM
Aug 2014

if in a private space under their control (e.g., your home). The request and explanation of the consequences of turning the camera off would still be filmed.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
14. It will certainly lead to a lot of camera malfunctions.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:52 AM
Aug 2014

I think it's a fine idea in principle. But unless there are consequences for turning it off, it won't have as great an impact as many supporters think. I'd expect a lot of "Darn, I hit the wrong switch" and "Would you believe it, my camera broke just before I emptied my clip into that kid."

-- Mal

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
23. You could make the camera default to on,
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 04:36 PM
Aug 2014

when it isn't on its charger. With the option to switch it off for a period of time (Say 10 minutes) if you have to go to the bathroom. If it takes longer than 10 minutes to use the bathroom, point it at a random direction and hit the button again.

There would be no more "We forgot to turn the camera on" defense. Victim's lawyers could now ask the question "Why did you turn your camera off when you approached my client?".

Edit: As for the other problem, the solution is what would happen if I told my boss they could go piss up a rope over one of my job duties: Unemployment.

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