Hillary is Inevitable!!1!

[Jackpine Radical]

Here is an interesting Democratic Presidential race poll from June 2006. Note the relative positions of Hillary and Obama.



Oops--Trouble finding Obama?


BTW, in the Republican poll taken at the same time, Giuliani led McCain 29-24.

[MohRokTah]

1. So point me at the Barack Obama of 2016.

OOPS, there ain't one.

Barack Obama was a once in a lifetime deal. He either ran and won in 2008, or he would never be president.

[yurbud]

6. I wanted to disagree with that, but the longer he waited, the more he would have shown his DLC

colors, and that would have outweighed all the hope we projected on him.

[MohRokTah]

8. And he damned near didn't do it.

Hillary Clinton's fuckup was not taking Iowa seriously.

HAd she really gone after Iowa, Obama would have never been able to take it via the caucuses.

[yurbud]

35. a lot of historic stuff is decided by decisions that small. Henry Wallace was delayed making it to

the podium at the 1944 Convention, lost the renomination as VP, and party bosses thrust Harry Truman on FDR instead.

If Wallace had been on the ticket, he would have been president when FDR died, kept the New Deal going a lot longer and made it a hell of a lot harder for the right to do their Red Scare and ramp up the Cold War.

[Voice for Peace]

40. Eliz. Warren + one of the Castro Bros.

that would be a nice combo.

[MohRokTah]

50. Julin Castro is already being groomed by Hillary and Warren isn't running. eom

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. and who do YOU have that beats every potential Republican in head to head competition?

hmmmmm......

put up!

[yurbud]

4. AND will govern as much like a Republican as possible?

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. still no candidate huh?

You just want to be able to complain....but provide no solutions! Great work!

[JaydenD]

24. Maybe that candidate is like the one that doesn't show on the charts above.

Nominating and swearing in Hillary at this point in time doesn't provide any solutions either, just so you know.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. Maybe you have no candidate with polls that show that THEY like Hillary can beat ALL

Republican potential candidates.....

Or perhaps you are willing to risk a President Rand Paul or President Ted Cruz?

[yurbud]

33. someone can't be your boogeyman at election time and role model for policy the rest of the time

the DLC schtick is getting pretty fucking threadbare.

At this point, Hillary beats everyone in NAME RECOGNITION, which just proves the right wing media has done her a big favor by bashing her continuously for the past 20+ years.

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. Its not about boogey men...WHO do you have that can beat ALL Republicans...

Unless you have one......Hillary is it! She is the MVP at the moment because polls show....she beats ALL Republican candidates....

You need to stop dismissing that as insignificant....its VERY!

[yurbud]

61. I'm sensing some sarcasm

[VanillaRhapsody]

63. what you are sensing is called Reality.....

get you some!

[JaydenD]

38. I'm calling that the Kardashian factor - lots of air time and recognition, little substance.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. Oh ye of little faith...

VoteMatch Responses
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VoteMatch Question & Answer
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Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale) Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale) We’ve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are women’s rights: Neutral on topic 2
Women’s rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale) Increase America’s commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; they’re ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale) Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4
Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale) Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale) 1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale) OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher “gimmicks”: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7
Strongly Opposes topic 8:
Human needs over animal rights
(+5 points on Social scale) $5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale) Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-You’re-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports “Three Strikes” and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale) Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress’ failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New York’s students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11
Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale) Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police can’t enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12
Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale) Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13
Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Social scale) US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14
No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale) There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15
Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale) Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16
Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale) Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and don’t grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve children’s health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18
Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale) Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19
Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(+5 points on Economic scale) Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the ‘90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. Little substance you say....hmmmmm

I wonder....

[CrispyQ]

31. Best response ever!

Nominating and swearing in Hillary at this point in time doesn't provide any solutions either, just so you know.

Welcome to DU, JaydenD!

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. so do you CrispyQ have a Democrat in mind that has proven they can take all Republican comers?

do you?

I won't hold my breath for a response...

[CrispyQ]

87. Don't have one. There isn't a candidate that can beat the big money candidates.

See my sig line.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

10. Hmmmm... Does my candidate have to also be republican-lite? nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

12. Your candidate has to win the Primary AND be able to beat every Republican

unless you have one....get out of the way of the one who can!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

16. So, you want us to defeat the republican nominee with our own republican? nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. I want to beat the Republicans with someone with a D after their name...

isn't that why YOU are here?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

43. There's a difference between a D and a DINO. So, you want a DINO to have

our nomination?

I don't understand why you refuse to acknowledge that you're supporting a republican-lite war-mongerer and why you are here.

[MohRokTah]

51. The only DINOs in the world are the people who call our best Democratic Politicians "DINOs".

Hillary Clinton is a solid Democrat. If you think she's a DINO, maybe you should look in the window.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

52. Fuck that noise. I don't need you johnny-coming-in-here-lately telling me to

look in the goddamned mirror just because you don't like what I have to say.

Fuck that shit, MohRokTah!

I'll say it again: Hillary is a goddamned republifuck warmongerer!

[MohRokTah]

54. You apparently have no clue what a Democrat is. eom

[libdem4life]

56. And a serious lack of adult vocabulary.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

58. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck Hillary! nt

[MohRokTah]

64. <----------------That's the way to GreenParyUnderground.com eom

[ChisolmTrailDem]

66. I'm not going anywhere. :) nt

[MohRokTah]

68. You sound like you don't like Democrats, just tryin' to help. eom

[ChisolmTrailDem]

70. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to work my ass off to nominate someone other than Hillary. nt

[MohRokTah]

71. Ya know, good luck with that. That's the Democratic way and I support you in that. eom

[zappaman]

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[ChisolmTrailDem]

76. #6 ... I've stated many times that I will vote if Hillary is the nominee, in this thread also.

#3 I've been here for two years and just because you don't like my opinions on whether or not Hillary should be president is no reason to try to have me removed.

[zappaman]

79. Wow, two whole years!

So?
I haven't alerted on you.
Looks like you are the one alerting.
Didn't go your way though.
You mad, bro?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

80. Nope. I did alert. Just because I don't support Hillary and choose to support another Democrat

is no reason to suggest that I should leave this forum for Green Party digs. Is it?

I am on record many times explaining my past with the Clintons and my support of them, right up until the IWR vote. No one that voted for that war will ever get my vote for president (ETA: unless they are the nominee). I supported Hillary Clinton for NY Senate, BEFORE her IRW vote. I've also said, many times, that if she is our nominee, I will vote for her to keep an R out of office.

My two years trumps that other poster's 4 months, no?

[MohRokTah]

84. Wow.

Just wow.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

57. Awwww, you mad, bro? Looks like you're mad... Here you go:

I've been a been a Democrat for 40 years. You're a johnny-come-lately to this board and you don't get to come in here and tell me whether or not I'm a Democrat or not just because I don't like your chickenhawk, war voting "democrat". Hahahahahahaha! Please! Your opinion of whether or not I'm a Democrat doesn't matter. I was on Bill and Hillary Clinton's team in Arkansas in 1982 as a member of YDA. I supported Bill Clinton as a citizen of Arkansas and I voted for him twice as president. I supported Hillary Clinton financially for NY Senate. I always liked Hillary as a person. But, the moment she voted to go into Iraq, she lost me. And, she is a corporate/Wall Street/MIC stooge. It's that fucking simple and I don't give a shit whether you like it or not and you can throw all the fits and insults you want, it ain't going to change what she has done.

I have news for you, your candidate is republican-lite, has already lost one primary for president, has lost several DU polls, and enjoys only a minority of support here and Reagan Democrats outside of DU and your opinions about whether or not she should be president do not matter here. And now I will gain some satisfaction in canceling out your vote for her in the primary.

[MohRokTah]

65. Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, PAtrick Leahy, ...

If you cannot accept the leadership of the Democratic Party, I got news for you...

You are not, nor have you ever been, a Democrat.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

69. You can continue your usual nonsense if you like. I've put myself on record more than once

on this board that if Hillary is the nominee, I will vote for her to keep someone with an R after their name from winning. And I will. In the meantime, I will be working, doubly hard now thanks to you, to keep that from happening.

[MohRokTah]

72. GOOD YOUR YOU! eom

[ChisolmTrailDem]

73. Yep, with as much gusto as I did to elect Obama and Big Dog. nt

[MohRokTah]

81. That's the amount of gusto I'm putting into Hillary.

Picked Barack Obama to become president in October of 2002 after hearing him speak in Federal Plaza.

Worked for the Big Dog in '92 and '96.

And I'm all in for Hillary in 2016.

May the best candidate win.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

83. I also did your first two points, including the prediction. I was also at President Obama's first

inauguration, freezing my ass off at the base of the Washington Monument. I drove there from Texas to witness history and to see the first black president that helped elect be sworn in.

2016 is still a couple of years away. I'm waiting to see if another candidate emerges but will support but Hillary if she is the nominee and will work to get her elected so a republifuck doesn't take us into war-ravaged oblivion and take my chances that she doesn't lead us into another contrived morass.

[MohRokTah]

85. Yet you still referred to her as a "DINO".

I'll tell you what. I didn't even consider Mike Gravel a DINO.

In fact, not a single candidate in the field was a "DINO" in 2008. Every last one of them were all good Democrats. I'm not really into Gravel or Kucinich, but both were good Democrats in 2008 and Kucinich remains a good Democrat.

There's only been one candidate in any primary for the Democratic nomination that is a DINO.

Lyndon LaRouche.

That is who you should judge all DINOs by. He's the only one I've ever seen.

[Dawgs]

44. OMG!! Do you even realize what you wrote?

Please, just stop.

[JaydenD]

45. Not when that D is for Doofus.

[yurbud]

30. like Westmoreland's "Destroy the village to save it."

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

39. But if Hillary can't beat a Democratic opponent...

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Then she ain't ALL THAT and extremely vulnerable. If that's the case then STFU and get your ass out of the way of progress!

Why are Clintonites scared shitless? She'll crush all Dems, right? And if she doesn't win the primary, Dems have rejected her and believe another candidate can beat one of the 3 stooges.

[MoleyRusselsWart]

47. Warren

[jeff47]

55. Who cares?

2016 can take care of itself for now. We have 2014 to work on.

How 'bout we don't fracture the party 3 months before an election by making wild-ass guesses about events 2 years from now?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

74. This. nt

[yurbud]

3. fits my theory that Hillary is the witting or unwitting decoy until Democrats can settle on real

nominee.

Any time she clears her throat, the right can't help but get in a lather and shoot their rhetorical and financial load.

When it comes to Hillary, they use the exact opposite of the Democrats "strategery": instead of keeping their powder dry, they blow up all theirs, and buy more.

[Dems to Win]

5. What do we want? A competitive primary! When do we want it? 2016!

My eyes are peeled, looking toward left field, hoping to see a progressive challenger soon.

[Louisiana1976]

28. Yeah I hope there's a progressive competitor for 2016. Hillary's to the right of Obama.

[yurbud]

32. personality, gender, and otherwise, I have no problem with Hillary, but on policy...

she's the candidate REPUBLICANS should be running in 2016, not us.

[leftstreet]

7. The Kennedy endorsement gave Obama the Presidency

I sometimes wonder if people forget how pivotal that was

So yeah, Hillary was/is indeed inevitable barring something like that (which I doubt could even happen now - no one in the party has that kind of old-school FDR Democratic status or celebrity)

[Jackpine Radical]

11. It wasn't pivotal to me.

The war was, though. By the time of the WI Primary, there were only the two still standing, even though neither was anywhere near my first choice, and there was no point in voting for anyone else. I thought Obama was slightly to the left of Hill, so I went that way. Personally, I was not particularly interested in Teddy's opinion on the matter.

[indepat]

13. Hillary appears inevitable because TPTB will not allow any Democratic nominee who is not pretty far

right of center.

[OilemFirchen]

17. Who is being stifled?

That sounds very ominous, indeed.

[indepat]

18. Me thinks the hopes of a Wesley Clark or an Elizabeth Warren would be quashed as if a

bothersome bug.

[OilemFirchen]

21. So your declaration was simply a prediction, yes?

I've yet to see a Democratic contender excluded by "TPTB". Maybe this will be a first?

[Jackpine Radical]

20. Well, take Howard Dean in '04 for an example.

[OilemFirchen]

22. I believe the Iowa Caucus did him in.

The Scream was a media gimmick, but he had already lost momentum.

So, anyway, "TPTD" punished Dean by giving him the DNC Chairmanship the next year? Those bastards!

[RufusTFirefly]

49. The Scream was a hatchet job, pure and simple

The scream scene was shown an estimated 633 times by cable and broadcast news networks in just four days following the incident, a number that does not include talk shows and local news broadcasts. However, those who were in the actual audience that day insist that they were not aware of the infamous "scream" until they returned to their hotel rooms and saw it on TV.

633 times in 96 hours. Just think about that for a moment.

[indepat]

53. TPTB at work effectively quashing the unwashed

[woo me with science]

14. It's a LIE.

That's what corporatists do. They LIE.

[Enthusiast]

86. PLUS ONE, a whole bunch!

[Faux pas]

15. Not in my book

and I'm pretty sure there are MILLIONS who think the same way I do.

[sadoldgirl]

19. All weekend long

we are talking about HRC. Have I missed something here, meaning she has declared her candidacy?

Or is all this more propaganda for or against her? One week in politics can change a lot, IMO.

[emulatorloo]

67. Keeping my eyes on 2014

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Well....she inevitably supports wars and Republican policies.

[conservaphobe]

27. Whomever OFA backs with their unmatched ground game is inevitable.

And I can't wait.

[thelordofhell]

29. Clinton/Dean 2016

See.......it even rhymes

[yurbud]

34. you got it half right.

[Drunken Irishman]

37. This poll proves Hillary was not inevitable.

She was well under 50%, so, that meant a majority of the party wanted someone else.

The most recent FOX and CNN polls of the Democratic nomination has Clinton with 64% and 67% of support from Democrats - which indicates a huge majority support her. That's essentially a 30-point improvement over her 2006 numbers. In those numbers, as well, her lead over the other contenders was a distant 20 points. But now, her lead over Biden is 59 points. Warren 57 points. There is no relative comparison to those numbers and what she saw in 2006.

I've yet to see a poll from this election cycle that indicates Hillary's support is in trouble. If anything, it's the exact opposite of 2006 - as most, nearly 70%, of the party supports her candidacy. That wasn't even remotely the case in 2006. Her support then was the largest, to be sure, but tapped out well below 50%, which meant, as I said, a huge chunk of the party either supported someone else or weren't ready to support her.

[DCBob]

42. Good point.

[joshcryer]

46. Exactly.

I was saying this back then.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

91. yep! and is why I rec'd the thread. n/t

[DCBob]

41. Lizzie is no Obama.

[RufusTFirefly]

48. Presidential polls at this juncture are almost entirely about name recognition

They're about as relevant as baseball exhibition games.
(Have you ever noticed how the fans of the substandard teams are usually the ones who crow about their exhibition victories?)

HRC has Joe-mentum.

[emulatorloo]

78. +1, and lol at "Joe-mentum" reference

Thanks

[Purveyor]

77. Then my not casting a vote in the 2016 Presidential election too is inevitable.

First 'non-vote' for a President since my first vote for President Carter in 1976, the year I turned 18.

Just not going to do it. I'll concentrate on electing democrats on the state and local level.

[mathematic]

82. Hillary got 48% of the actual vote, an improvement from this poll

If her support improves similarly this time around they might not even bother with the voting after January.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries%2C_2008

[L0oniX]

88. YAwn ...another appeal to those who would take comfort in being aligned with a majority poll...

as if being with a group of lemmings offers safety.

[Jackpine Radical]

89. Are you quite sure you understood my point here?

[Orsino]

90. Clinton is inevitable.

I wish there were another Dem who dared, but I don't believe we'll see anyone who can beat her declare...especially on the Republican side.

[JCMach1]

92. whether you like her, or not the 'inevitability' is because we have reached a point

where a majority of people think it is way past time we have a woman President.

There will come a time (as with Obama) that all good Democrats will need to get behind that historic push.

It's going to look damn good good when compared to


JEBtm
Piyush Jindal
R. Paul
Huckabiz
Perry for frak sake...


Puhhhhhhleassssse!