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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhite privilege: When 7 white teenagers enter a black persons home and are not charged with anything
The group thought no one was home and wanted to explore the basketball star's house, according to police.
The teens were not arrested, because police said there wasn't any intent to commit a crime.
There was terror for the wife of basketball star Ray Allen as she woke up in the middle of the night to find home invaders in her bedroom.
In a 911 call, Shannon Allen said, "I sat up in the bed and screamed."
Shannon was at the couple's mansion in Coral Gables, Florida with their four sons. Ray Allen himself was not home. Shannon says she realized seven people were in her bedroom at around 2:30 a.m.
In the 911 call she said, "I was dead asleep but I saw flashlights and I heard voices. I know there were boys and girls, I'm assuming teenagers. They had very bright flashlights, the big heavy-duty flashlights."
There were seven intruders in all and they claim they were there to sight-see.
She said to the 911 operator, "They were walking through my bedroom and they were like, as if they were on a tour! Pointing out stuff, like, 'Oh wow, look at this picture. Oh my God, he's got a flat-screen TV in his bedroom.'"
Courageous Shannon confronted the home invaders. She told 911, "I just sat up in bed and said, "What the [expletive] are you doing in my house?!'"
A police report says that when Shannon yelled out, a female intruder "Exclaimed 'Oh, my God,' followed by laughter." The gang then made "a quick exit."
Police say they have identified the teens involved, but, believe it or not, they have not been charged. Why? Cops say that because the intruders apparently got in through an unlocked door and nothing was stolen from the home, it does not amount to burglary. It is causing an uproar.
Robin Roberts said on Good Morning America, "It's a real head scratcher, I mean, inside the home."
An angry Ray Allen issued a statement slamming the failure to prosecute. He is saying that it was not some "silly prank" as some have suggested. He says his family was "absolutely terrified," adding, "The suggestion that anyone can unlawfully enter into someone's locked home and then into an occupied bedroom in the middle of the night without consequences is unsettling."
There only finally charged after Ray Allen got a lawyer
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trespass-charges-for-7-teens-in-ray-allen-home-invasion/
enough
(13,255 posts)I assume in Florida (and maybe anywhere) he would have been justified in shooting as many of them as he could.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)Only his wife and his four underage children. . .
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Castle laws and SYG apply only in instances of whites shooting blacks (or, under certain circumstances, blacks shooting blacks). Blacks shooting whites need to always be prosecuted as criminals.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)But the intruders all have latino/hispanic surnames. . .
I think the higher point is -
Wealth doesn't matter.
This man (an athlete I understand?) - had his home invaded and his wife terrorized - and this is a black household.
I wonder - would the outcome in Florida be the same if let's say - George Zimmerman's parents were the victims of these terrorizing little snots?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Brown privilege?
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I think the lack of an arrest had more to do with the chance that these kids were rich than with Ray Allen's or the kids' race. The kids who broke into Allen's home had attended a party in the neighborhood earlier that night. If those kids had been a group of poor kids who had just come to the neighborhood in order to break into Allen's home I think they would have been arrested on the spot.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)That's what I don't understand - seems like a fine upstanding member of the community. Why would their wealth trump his?
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I do not think their wealth trumped his. The kids were just let off because they might have been wealthy like him.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)My husband and I were taped on an episode of What Woukd You Do back in 2010. We didn't sign the release. But I've got a pic of us Quinones on my Facebook page.
Bad precedent - all 7 of those kids would find out something else trumps their wealth. They picked the right man to mess with I guess. :dunno:
dilby
(2,273 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)In fact, one whole corner of Western Europe is full of people who meet that description, and even have those last names.
Fla Dem
(23,591 posts)In the Miami/Dade county Whites and White Hispanics make up 74% of the population.
"The majority of the ancestry of White Cubans comes from Spain. During the 18th, 19th and early part of the 20th century especially, large waves of Canary Islanders, Galicians, and Catalans emigrated from Spain to Cuba. Other European nationalities which immigrated include: English, Scots, Russians, Poles, Portuguese, Romanians, Italians, Greeks, French, Germans and Irish."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubans
We'll probably never know what ethnicity these idiots are, but regardless, whether they are White, Hispanic, AA or of any other ethnic ancestry, they broke into the house. It was a home invasion. The fact it was a home owned and occupied by an African -American and the police brought no immediate charges is the real miscarriage of justice and speaks to the contempt the justice system holds AA's. I dread to think what would have happened if Mrs. Allen had a gun and shot one of them.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)If they were charged with serious crimes, THEN they'd be Hispanic.
My guess would be they were from fairly well off families, or those with connections in the community, and that's why they weren't charged initially, but that's my own speculation.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... that they picked the "right" house.
They could have gotten killed if Allen's wife had a weapon.
Imagine if the home had been owned by a white couple, and the 7 intruders were black! The cops would have put the kids' dead bodies in jail, fercrissakes.
Stating the obvious, I know, but this country is really two - or more - different countries.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)"Trespass charges for 7 teens in Ray Allen home invasion"
HipChick
(25,485 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)Last info is an update, the police did not charge them with anything, until owner got an attorney
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)your headiing says they were white, they arent you say they werent charged and they are so where is my reading flawed?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It appears you're looking for both offenses and inaccuracies that simply are not present.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)there are. hipchick knows this and wont correct the headline. the innaccuracy you claim isnt there couldnt be any plainer
now that hipchick knows the headline is wrong why wont hipchick correct it?
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Otherwise she could nail you for several simple English mistakes;
Conjunctives are separated by a hyphen; wont (twice) [sic], theyre [sic], isnt [sic] couldnt [sic].
Oh so many run-on sentences; the first sentence is a complete mess as it contains several distinct trains of thought and is barely coherent in its present form (punctuation IS your friend).
There are no words capitalized at the beginning of any sentence.
The use of pronouns is your friend as this paragraph(?!) contains HipChick's name 3 times (redundancy is NOT your friend).
Just sayin'.
BTW, there are no spelling errors, it is a short, thankfully, post and I am not sure how you would treat a possessive.
July
(4,750 posts)Post #20 includes both "priviledge" and "caucasion."
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)of zimmerman, that's all the facts I need to understand why they were allowed to walk in the first place. On and on distracting from the obvious point. I am beginning to realize, this type of deflection and distraction is knee jerk, "white people can do no wrong when it comes to black people". Right.
kcr
(15,315 posts)There was a decision made not to charge them. That didn't get magically erased.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)so it should be changed
kcr
(15,315 posts)Charges were only filed after a stink was raised. There's nothing wrong with the OP or its title. The point is how this family was treated.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)they arent caucasion and they were charged. i get the point of the post and that they werent immediately charged but the headline is a lie,
kcr
(15,315 posts)The fact that they were subsequently charged after a stink was raised does not change the facts. They broke into this family's home and then they weren't charged. That is what this thread is about. I'm glad that they're finally facing charges but the decision not to charge them in the first place is outrageous.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)OK, it may not be burglary but it IS trespass. It was trespass before they entered the house.
From the link in the OP (now edited so the text changed from what was quoted):
"Police said Alana Elizabeth Garcia, 18, Jorge Jesus Guerrero, 18, Christian John Lobo, 18, Jonathan Louis Ramirez, 19, Kevin Ramos, 18, Ernesto Romero, 18, and Angel Alejandro, 18, reportedly went into Allen's Coral Gables home around 2:30 a.m. on Aug. 14, entering through an unlocked door."
I'd be putting up a big fence, loads of "No Trespassing" signs and motion sensor alarms all over the place. And locking my doors!
greiner3
(5,214 posts)From what I get out of the article, the unlocked door part is either the condition it was and/or what the cops say it was after interviewing the perps.
It does not state if there were or were not surveillance cameras so it may come down to the testimony at trial.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)That's what my Dad always told me - for honest people a closed unlocked door is deterrent enough. For dishonest people a locked door isn't enough to keep them out.
Whatever happened to "Don't mess with other people's stuff"? That's what my parents taught me. If I don't own it, I don't touch or mess with it. I don't go to someone else's house and walk right in - I don't even do that at relatives' homes. I knock or ring a doorbell, if there's no answer, I leave.
Oh well - I guess if the morals are changing so that private property is only private with big fences and everything locked up I need to learn to do those things.
it is also a legally true statement that if the door is unlocked then it is a lesser crime because there is no breaking, just entering. That said, a lesser crime is still a crime.
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)Response to HipChick (Original post)
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leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)so .,. they arent white and they were charged so what part of the story applies to the heading
SaltyBro
(198 posts)Let's break into a basketball player's home, we won't get in trouble!
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)SaltyBro
(198 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)article.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)A headline is wrong on the internet!!!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"they were charged"
Not at the time of the break-in, not by police, and not until homeowner pressed charges.
But you are still yet unable to recognize that as a relevant difference between what most often happens to black teen youths in the precise same scenario?
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)But it's so much more sensationalistic this way
kcr
(15,315 posts)So that totally invalidates the article. No such thing as racism!
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The point is that they should have been charged as soon as they were identified. There were no charges until the police were forced to charge the teens.
Now give it a rest with your accusations of lies, because the fact is that you are unwilling to understand. I agree that there are ways to make the totality of the story more clear, but it's not like grammar is your strong point, so chill.
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samsingh
(17,593 posts)and there was actually consideration of the home owner citing fear as a defense for murder
bpj62
(999 posts)Former Pro Bowl Safety Sean Taylor was shot and killed in his own Miami home by a group of thieves who thought he wasn't home. They shot him through the bedroom door and the bullet severed his femoral artery and he subsequently died of blood loss at the hospital. Thank god Ray Allen's wife chose not to shoot any of them using the SYG law in Florida. A black women shooting unarmed white teenagers would have made for an interesting legal situation.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)These kids were not white.
According to the story, the names were as follows
Alana Elizabeth Garcia, 18, Jorge Jesus Guerrero, 18, Christian John Lobo, 18, Jonathan Louis Ramirez, 19, Kevin Ramos, 18, Ernesto Romero, 18, and Angel Alejandro.
This was something other than white privilege.
Please do us the courtesy of correcting your OP title.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Spain and Portugal are European countries inhabited by Caucasians.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Frankly, some people hang on to their outrage like Linus hangs onto his blanket.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)How do they think so much of the Americas (both people and geography) have Spanish names?
I don't really know or care the heritage of the folks in this story but I am appalled at the replies as far as assumptions about ethnicity...
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If it were one kid with a Hispanic last name, I would entertain the possibility the person is Caucasian. However, seven different names indicates it is unlikely that the teens were Caucasian. Certainly it is possible, but only a remote possibility.
The contention that this is "White Privilege" is a lie, and HipChick's responses indicate that she knows this.
Pathetic.
Like I said, the desperation of some at DU to cling to their outrage, even in the face of blatant falsehood, is remarkable.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)They are probably Cuban given that this occurred in Southern Florida. Cuban American's are often wealthy and white.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)People shouldn't stoke racism based on a lie. If the OP had any honor at all, she would change the title.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)their skin was white, they looked white and they got an initial pass. White skin is all that's needed to get a pass, at the officer's discretion, of course. Get a clue as to the point here. You and the others trying to deflect and distract from the point, racism and white privilege are alive and well in amerikkka. These kids SKIN COLOR proves that.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Much of the country is as white as any other typically European country. I'm part Spanish and as white as any other Caucasian.
So...there's that.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)"Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico, Portuguese: hispânico, Galician: hispánico, Basque: hispaniar, Catalan: hispà)[1][2] is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Roman Hispania, which roughly comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the contemporary states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the Crown Colony or British Overseas Territories of Gibraltar."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hispanic
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You posted your irrelevant text about a European language twice, so I'll post this twice: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans
Do you think people from Spain are not white?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)geez no clue
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Isn't entering someone else's home a crime in and of itself?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)these kids are from wealthy, privileged backgrounds...They'd have to be to even think they had free reign to someone else's home to begin with...
I'm also not convinced that these kids weren't looking for something to steal before they realized someone was home and got scared out of the house...
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)HipChick. Congratulations!
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Cops doubtlessly feel cheered at the thought of us minorities preying on each other and were probably hoping for some good chingasos exchanged all around.
BlueInID
(24 posts)"Im disappointed in those charges. They shouldve have been charged with occupied burglary and let the plea bargaining effect go from there, said Charlie Miller, a former captain with Miami-Dade police who ran the divisions burglary unit for 30 years. Ill tell you had they been of a less affluent status, they wouldve been charged.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/20/4300016/seven-charged-with-trespassing.html#storylink=cpy
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)and beat or killed them all.
But their parents have money, so cops don't do anything until a stink is made.
It's a ridiculous system.
The wealthy have money to pay fines and fees and hire lawyers, so we leave them alone. The poor can't afford fines, fees and lawyers so we charge the poor with any and every crime we can think of and expect them to foot the bill for justice systems all over this country.
23,000 warrants in a town of 21,000 people? Ferguson.
Have to fight to get even one warrant for a bunch of wealthy ADULT kids who unlawfully enter a black person's home? Miami.
Yeah, America is a cesspool of racism, classism and DUMBASS justice.
littlemissmartypants
(22,593 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)hmmmm, what stands out here? Thank you for throwing cold water on the deflectors and distractors among us.
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)But they are very lucky they didn't get shot by the homeowner.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Shannon Walker Allen went for a sidearm and started dumping mags...
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Not charging someone who has broken into a house because they have not committed burglary is like not charging an axe murderer because they haven't committed drunk driving!
I find citing hispanic teens as an example of "white privilege" somewhat unconvincing, however.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Or any other color. Why was there not an immediate charge? In Florida if I find someone's door open, I can just go in and walk around? With this and stand your ground, this state is more bizarre every day.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just one more insult to the black community. Totally pathetic...but expected by law enforcement, some of the biggest RACIST ASSHOLES MUST work in law enforcement.
TRESPASS
Trespass is defined by the act of knowingly entering another persons property without permission. Such action is held to infringe upon a property owners legal right to enjoy the benefits of ownership. Criminal charges, which range from violation to felony, may be brought against someone who interferes with another persons legal property rights. Criminal trespasses, depending on the venue of jurisdiction and case circumstances, fall under different subsets of law. When a trespass is carried out against another person, rather than against his/her property, the trespasser is likely to be charged with assault or battery. Actions violating the real property of another are handled as Trespasses to Land. Violations to personal property are handled as torts.
Under Tort Law, a property owner may bring a Civil Law suit against a trespasser in order to recover damages or receive compensatory relief for injury suffered as a direct result of a trespass. In a tort action, the plaintiff must prove that the offender had, but knowingly violated, a legal duty to respect another persons right to property, which resulted in direct injury or loss to the plaintiff.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)SO now what?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Unbelievable that they were not immediately charged as soon as they were identified. The Allen's should have had the option to NOT press charges, they should not have to get a lawyer to force charges to be pressed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Like it is for ALL THE OTHER people in America! How embarrassing for the PD, that it took Allen hiring a lawyer FIRST...before any charges were brought against the group.
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)If you don't believe in White Privilege, you aren't doing White Right.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Race trolling OP goes to into the trash can
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)The article had no photos. The names don't tell you their skin color.
OTOH, I think the headline is fine saying they weren't charged. That's the point. Cops came and decided not to arrest them. This is something that indeed happened and is described in the headline. The fact that someone made a stink and they had to reverse themselves doesn't change the fact that there had been a decision made not to arrest.
But without more info or seeing pics, I don't see how we can know that cops "saw white" when they looked at these kids. And that's the issue, what they saw, regardless of what their last names were.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That would imply they are Hispanic, not white.
The OP is a bunch of race trolling bullshit.
thesquanderer
(11,972 posts)People can be Hispanic and their skin color can still be white. It doesn't matter what the names are. If the police treated them a certain way because they *looked* white, that would be the point. People make judgments about people based on what they look like, often long before they learn what their names are. It is absolutely possible for people to look white--and therefore, have people treat them as white--regardless of having an Hispanic name, there are plenty of people who are Hispanic, but their "color" is white. But I don't think we know, in this case.
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Now that is some white privilege.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I thought they were white Cuban-Americans. Not all Cubans are people of color. There are lots who descend entirely from Spanish colonialists. Not all people who speak Spanish are people of color either. There's that Spain place.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
"Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico, Portuguese: hispânico, Galician: hispánico, Basque: hispaniar, Catalan: hispà) is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Roman Hispania, which roughly comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the contemporary states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the Crown Colony or British Overseas Territories of Gibraltar."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hispanic
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Why do you think that definition is about race? It's about people associated with a European language. There are people of color who are hispanic, and white people who are hispanic.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Vanna White - Puerto Rican
Cameron Diaz - Cuban
Frankie Muniz - Puerto Rican
Raquel Welch - Spanish
Ted Williams - Mexican
David Blaine - Puerto Rican
David Gallagher - Cuban
Louis C.K. - The white privilege comedian - Mexican
Ryan Lochte - Cuban
Andrew Keegan - Columbian
The Estevez/Sheen Family - Mexican
All has been considered white all their lives.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)By using a misleading headline and stoking race stereotypes, is the OP behaving in a racist fashion?
Or is this just a duck?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)They were Hispanic kids of wealthy families.
They've been charged, but no doubt nothing will happen.
But ain't nothing to do with "white privilege."
gollygee
(22,336 posts)In the census in 2000 there were 1,957,557 Cuban Americans, both native and foreign born and represented 3.5% of all Hispanics in the US. About 85% of Cuban Americans identify themselves as being White, mostly Spanish, which is the highest proportion of all other major Hispanic groups. In Florida, Cuban Americans have cultural ties with the state's large Spanish American or European Spanish community. In the 2007 ACS, there were 1,611,478 Americans with national origins in Cuba. 983,147 were born abroad in Cuba, 628,331 were U.S born and of the 1.6 million, 415,212 were not U.S citizens.[27]
Particularly in Florida where this is a large demographic group.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Cubans have "privilege" in Miami, if one wants to use that word. Every Cuban-American I know is extremely proud of their Cuban heritage, and identifies himself or herself as "Cuban American." Being Cuban American in Miami is to be in the majority...and in many other places in Florida as well.
That's really neither here nor there in this case.
The fact is that the children of the rich, and the rich themselves, have "privilege" above all others in this country.
And we all know that.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)SouthernDonkey
(256 posts)Also..how do we know they weren't black Hispanics? Why do they have to be white Hispanics?
LisaL
(44,972 posts)Some people just assumed, presumably because that would make for a better story.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)LisaL
(44,972 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I was on a jury where the charge was trespassing and only trespassing...guy was Mexican, so there you go...
LisaL
(44,972 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)After lawyers were involved to force the charges.
malaise
(268,718 posts)of the racism
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Saaaaaame. Here.
gopiscrap
(23,726 posts)you can fucking well bet that if the races were reversed that the teens would have been charged with burglary and a host of other crimes and with a bail so high they'd be in jail right now waiting for a far down the road court date.
dilby
(2,273 posts)illegals. But at the end of the Day the OP has no idea what color they are, no proof was given that they were white, latino or black. Hell they could even be Asian, there are plenty of Filipino's with Spanish and Portuguese last names.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Kablooie
(18,612 posts)According to the police, I guess.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you're hip in my book. Point understood and well taken. The naysayers???? I'm sure you know how to overlook certain types of human indiscretion.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)So I'm afraid that kinda debunks a certain part of your OP's title.....